Mailloux sucked last night

[Mr.Snuggleupagus]

I'm still trying to accept that we're stuck with Buch and Kyrou for the next 6 years.

One of those 8 million dollar loafers were the ones to deal and make room for Bolduc.

Mostly Kyrou, since they just drafted Carbonneau for future RW and Buchneviches NTC was already in effect (I think).

[blues2112]

For sure, although I'll forever hate that word after the Cardinals disaster of a season. I just still don't understand why they traded a young, 22-year old stud with an all-world shot who's ceiling is still unknown for a talented D-man who hasn't been able to stay on the ice for the last couple seasons.

If Bolduc turns into the next Draisitil this is going to be very, very obnoxious.

First bold: "Stud"? The word from anonymous people regarding a young man is creepy.
Second: 12 ES goals?
Third: What if Mailloux blossoms?

Folks quickly forget that Bolduc disappeared in playoffs, other than bad penalties in o-zone. Without a doubt, he is skilled and has produced to some degree, but he is NOT, and never has been, an ELITE prospect.

My bet is that he'll have a Perron-type career, and there's nothing wrong with that. The hand-wringing here is well, rather hand-wringing.

[HighStick]

I find it a little strange that they traded away a 20-25g guy for a 4-6 Dman who isn't established. Seriously, Kessel couldn't have filled in a season till one of the other hopefuls were ready? Did they really need Mailloux so bad he was worth 25g? Only time will tell but Mailloux has to become a "good" top 4 dman just to break even in this deal and all Bolduc has to do is score 20 a season to look like a good deal. This deal is a bit of a head scratcher. I don't see the same potential in Mailloux as Army did.

[skilles]

Why don’t we see where we’re at by Christmas and save the hot takes?

Why can't we discuss the team? We can only talk about positive things? We have to wait until Christmas before we can say whether a player had a good game or not? I am not saying release or bench the guy but the thread is titled "Mailloux sucked last night". He did...

Were you this harsh to Bolduc last year when he was awful for 20 games, not 1?

I definitely said he wasn’t showing much. But he didn’t have any game I can remember where he didn’t look nhl caliber, even if he had plenty where he looked unremarkable

Then you weren’t very observant.
Bolduc looked LOST a whole lot the first month of the season, not, the first game of the season, but the whole first month.
He had his raw skills and, for the casual observer, he might have even seemed like “ he wasn’t showing much”…
He was LOST in the transition game.
Lost.
So bad that he got benched… a lot.

The benching seemed to work and on more than one occasion, later in the season I remarked that Bolduc was the poster child for struggling rookies using their time in the press box well.

When a rookie forward is lost, it only fouls up your chances for a decent Rush, and results in a stupid turnover, usually.

When a rookie D man makes a mistake, to quote Mr. Plante,” They turn on a red light and 15,000 people stand up and yell at you”.

Bolduc didn't do anything in the AHL nor his first 50 NHL games, very little but the Blues developed him just like Kyrou, Thomas, Neighbours, Parayko, etc so I would give LM the same runway to work on his game with Monty, Weber and co.

So would I but I wouldn't have traded a player that had just came out the other side of that for a player that hasn't.

We should absolutely give LM the time to develop, should not have trade Bolduc for him.

So back to the bigger point then, the Blues are going to pay extensions to Neighbours, Holloway and Snuggerud. Buch and Kyrou are already here Army said something to the effect that the Blues feel like Snuggerud is their top 4 RW and of course we love Neighbours. How many 30 goal guys will the Blues pay? Bolduc vs LM isnt the comparion its Bolduc vs Snuggerud. Time will tell.

There were lots of options/possibilities and time.

Do you have other examples are you saying the Blues should have traded either some one other than. Bolduc or kept and paid them all?

Well I don't know what the other options were but if that were the best one I personally would have just held off for now. I personally think we paid well over market and could have got LM for less but that is the trick to making good trades, I think in this scenario we caved and bid against ourselves. I simply don't think LM had that value around the league.

How do you know this?

He was a top 15 pick at one time and slipped with off ice issues.

Was he over rated? All weighted on his offense?

Are posters here making these claims based upon the HAbs moving him? Based upon the 2 games they have seen him play, of which the second had 50% improvement over the first?

I just don't get the doom and gloom on a guy with 9 games in the league.

So how do you know the Blues paid well over market, I am curious.

I don't know we did and you don't know we didn't, both are opinions.

[Harry York 37]

Mailloux is not as bad as Bolduc was the first half of last year. Bolduc’s improvements came in fits, amd was noteworthy, bit he was instant death to half our breakouts in the first part of last year. “Clueless” is not unkind. When he got the clues, he improved.

Mailloux plays a far more revealing position, and is paired with a decent player with a giant heart who is nowhere near mentor-status.. Like several have said, he needs games to get used to regular-season NHL Hockey 2-3 times a week. Skate him with Brobie when you can, as Brobie is fast enough cover almost anything. It could work… Broberg is pretty smart. His plus minus hollers it out loud.

If and when it is helpful, have him watch a game or two from the press box.

[JoshInFenton]

I mean, i don't really love the trade from the same grounds as everyone else. I think Bolduc is a 25-30 goal scorer in the league, a 2nd line winger option that gives great scoring depth, and imo Mailloux's ceiling is probably 2nd pairing RD, i probably deal from deeper in the depth pool for a 3rd pairing RD if i am worried about the weak pool of talent down the right side.

With that being said, Mailloux's slow start hasn't shocked me really, young and came in with the "good shot, good physicality, mediocre defense" label and we haven't even used him for his shot in either game going to more veteran presence on the powerplay. I'd give him some looks during the year on the 2nd unit to reduce the ice time Faulk has to eat through. If you look at his bright spots on tape, they're almost exclusively in the offensive zone.

[Old_Goat]

I can remember a lot of negativity about Pietrangelo his first couple of years as he got bounced down to Juniors and the AHL..."bad pick...he's not good...he won't be good, etc." And I also remember on this Forum people questioning just a couple of years ago that "Bolduc won't be any good, he should be showing more, he doesn't have the strength, lacks defensive ability to achieve at this level, bad pick, etc."
Hey, Iike Bolduc a lot. Great skater, great hands. Sure I'm sorry he is gone. But we need size, skilled prospects for our D. Sure there is Lidstien, Ralph, Jiricek and others potentially, but Mailloux has the tools and is more physically developed right now.
The rush to write him off is tiring. He'll be fine.

[dhsux]

Why can't we discuss the team? We can only talk about positive things? We have to wait until Christmas before we can say whether a player had a good game or not? I am not saying release or bench the guy but the thread is titled "Mailloux sucked last night". He did...

Were you this harsh to Bolduc last year when he was awful for 20 games, not 1?

I definitely said he wasn’t showing much. But he didn’t have any game I can remember where he didn’t look nhl caliber, even if he had plenty where he looked unremarkable

Then you weren’t very observant.
Bolduc looked LOST a whole lot the first month of the season, not, the first game of the season, but the whole first month.
He had his raw skills and, for the casual observer, he might have even seemed like “ he wasn’t showing much”…
He was LOST in the transition game.
Lost.
So bad that he got benched… a lot.

The benching seemed to work and on more than one occasion, later in the season I remarked that Bolduc was the poster child for struggling rookies using their time in the press box well.

When a rookie forward is lost, it only fouls up your chances for a decent Rush, and results in a stupid turnover, usually.

When a rookie D man makes a mistake, to quote Mr. Plante,” They turn on a red light and 15,000 people stand up and yell at you”.

Bolduc didn't do anything in the AHL nor his first 50 NHL games, very little but the Blues developed him just like Kyrou, Thomas, Neighbours, Parayko, etc so I would give LM the same runway to work on his game with Monty, Weber and co.

So would I but I wouldn't have traded a player that had just came out the other side of that for a player that hasn't.

We should absolutely give LM the time to develop, should not have trade Bolduc for him.

So back to the bigger point then, the Blues are going to pay extensions to Neighbours, Holloway and Snuggerud. Buch and Kyrou are already here Army said something to the effect that the Blues feel like Snuggerud is their top 4 RW and of course we love Neighbours. How many 30 goal guys will the Blues pay? Bolduc vs LM isnt the comparion its Bolduc vs Snuggerud. Time will tell.

There were lots of options/possibilities and time.

Do you have other examples are you saying the Blues should have traded either some one other than. Bolduc or kept and paid them all?

Well I don't know what the other options were but if that were the best one I personally would have just held off for now. I personally think we paid well over market and could have got LM for less but that is the trick to making good trades, I think in this scenario we caved and bid against ourselves. I simply don't think LM had that value around the league.

How do you know this?

He was a top 15 pick at one time and slipped with off ice issues.

Was he over rated? All weighted on his offense?

Are posters here making these claims based upon the HAbs moving him? Based upon the 2 games they have seen him play, of which the second had 50% improvement over the first?

I just don't get the doom and gloom on a guy with 9 games in the league.

So how do you know the Blues paid well over market, I am curious.

I don't know we did and you don't know we didn't, both are opinions.

Sorry....thought you said we did.

"I personally think we paid well over market"....is what you said which is why I asked how you think that. What's the basis of that comment.

My opinion is to wait and see. But I'm absolutely pulling for him and if I had to choose (which I don't) I'll go with the Blues evaluation on this one.

[Moberly Blues]

Great post by Old Goat!!!

[son_of_foolsgold]

Does Mailloux need to clear waivers? If not send him to the AHL that is clearly the correct choice.

[skilles]

I can remember a lot of negativity about Pietrangelo his first couple of years as he got bounced down to Juniors and the AHL..."bad pick...he's not good...he won't be good, etc." And I also remember on this Forum people questioning just a couple of years ago that "Bolduc won't be any good, he should be showing more, he doesn't have the strength, lacks defensive ability to achieve at this level, bad pick, etc."
Hey, Iike Bolduc a lot. Great skater, great hands. Sure I'm sorry he is gone. But we need size, skilled prospects for our D. Sure there is Lidstien, Ralph, Jiricek and others potentially, but Mailloux has the tools and is more physically developed right now.
The rush to write him off is tiring. He'll be fine.

I don't think you have to be writing him off to not like the trade, there are lots of players that I like and would like to have that I would not have traded Bolduc for.

[MiamiLaw]

I can remember a lot of negativity about Pietrangelo his first couple of years as he got bounced down to Juniors and the AHL..."bad pick...he's not good...he won't be good, etc." And I also remember on this Forum people questioning just a couple of years ago that "Bolduc won't be any good, he should be showing more, he doesn't have the strength, lacks defensive ability to achieve at this level, bad pick, etc."
Hey, Iike Bolduc a lot. Great skater, great hands. Sure I'm sorry he is gone. But we need size, skilled prospects for our D. Sure there is Lidstien, Ralph, Jiricek and others potentially, but Mailloux has the tools and is more physically developed right now.
The rush to write him off is tiring. He'll be fine.

I don't think you have to be writing him off to not like the trade, there are lots of players that I like and would like to have that I would not have traded Bolduc for.

Right but the people who don’t want to actually discuss that aspect set up the strawman so that they don’t have to acknowledge it.

It was not a good value trade on its face and that’s 95% of the reason anyone is critiquing LM’s game at all at this point. We all know he’s inexperienced and we all know it will take time for him and we all know why the Blues traded a winger for a RHD. The question is why did we trade a guy we saw develop from nothing to decent value last year in exchange for a new square 1 guy with a new set of questions and uncertainties.

[Harry S Deals]

I can remember a lot of negativity about Pietrangelo his first couple of years as he got bounced down to Juniors and the AHL..."bad pick...he's not good...he won't be good, etc." And I also remember on this Forum people questioning just a couple of years ago that "Bolduc won't be any good, he should be showing more, he doesn't have the strength, lacks defensive ability to achieve at this level, bad pick, etc."
Hey, Iike Bolduc a lot. Great skater, great hands. Sure I'm sorry he is gone. But we need size, skilled prospects for our D. Sure there is Lidstien, Ralph, Jiricek and others potentially, but Mailloux has the tools and is more physically developed right now.
The rush to write him off is tiring. He'll be fine.

I don't think you have to be writing him off to not like the trade, there are lots of players that I like and would like to have that I would not have traded Bolduc for.

Right but the people who don’t want to actually discuss that aspect set up the strawman so that they don’t have to acknowledge it.

It was not a good value trade on its face and that’s 95% of the reason anyone is critiquing LM’s game at all at this point. We all know he’s inexperienced and we all know it will take time for him and we all know why the Blues traded a winger for a RHD. The question is why did we trade a guy we saw develop from nothing to decent value last year in exchange for a new square 1 guy with a new set of questions and uncertainties.

The Blues traded Bolduc because

a) They value Snuggerud more, they value Neighbours WAAAAY more
b) Neighbours, Snuggerud and Holloway are going to be extended plus Buch and Kyrou are already here
c) Stenberg, Pekarcik, Carbonneau etc are on the rise which perhaps as soon as next season will allow the Blues to plug in a kid or two at a ELC level deal

[MiamiLaw]

I can remember a lot of negativity about Pietrangelo his first couple of years as he got bounced down to Juniors and the AHL..."bad pick...he's not good...he won't be good, etc." And I also remember on this Forum people questioning just a couple of years ago that "Bolduc won't be any good, he should be showing more, he doesn't have the strength, lacks defensive ability to achieve at this level, bad pick, etc."
Hey, Iike Bolduc a lot. Great skater, great hands. Sure I'm sorry he is gone. But we need size, skilled prospects for our D. Sure there is Lidstien, Ralph, Jiricek and others potentially, but Mailloux has the tools and is more physically developed right now.
The rush to write him off is tiring. He'll be fine.

I don't think you have to be writing him off to not like the trade, there are lots of players that I like and would like to have that I would not have traded Bolduc for.

Right but the people who don’t want to actually discuss that aspect set up the strawman so that they don’t have to acknowledge it.

It was not a good value trade on its face and that’s 95% of the reason anyone is critiquing LM’s game at all at this point. We all know he’s inexperienced and we all know it will take time for him and we all know why the Blues traded a winger for a RHD. The question is why did we trade a guy we saw develop from nothing to decent value last year in exchange for a new square 1 guy with a new set of questions and uncertainties.

The Blues traded Bolduc because

a) They value Snuggerud more, they value Neighbours WAAAAY more
b) Neighbours, Snuggerud and Holloway are going to be extended plus Buch and Kyrou are already here
c) Stenberg, Pekarcik, Carbonneau etc are on the rise which perhaps as soon as next season will allow the Blues to plug in a kid or two at a ELC level deal

Let me distill it:

1) I have no problem with the Blues trading Bolduc.
2) I understand the Blues are weak on rh defense prospects, so I have no issue with them picking up LM or anyone else that provides depth.
3) I do not like Bolduc for LM. Even if LM works out, it doesn’t change the humongous gamble it was where the Blues took almost all the risk.

[Harry S Deals]

I can remember a lot of negativity about Pietrangelo his first couple of years as he got bounced down to Juniors and the AHL..."bad pick...he's not good...he won't be good, etc." And I also remember on this Forum people questioning just a couple of years ago that "Bolduc won't be any good, he should be showing more, he doesn't have the strength, lacks defensive ability to achieve at this level, bad pick, etc."
Hey, Iike Bolduc a lot. Great skater, great hands. Sure I'm sorry he is gone. But we need size, skilled prospects for our D. Sure there is Lidstien, Ralph, Jiricek and others potentially, but Mailloux has the tools and is more physically developed right now.
The rush to write him off is tiring. He'll be fine.

I don't think you have to be writing him off to not like the trade, there are lots of players that I like and would like to have that I would not have traded Bolduc for.

Right but the people who don’t want to actually discuss that aspect set up the strawman so that they don’t have to acknowledge it.

It was not a good value trade on its face and that’s 95% of the reason anyone is critiquing LM’s game at all at this point. We all know he’s inexperienced and we all know it will take time for him and we all know why the Blues traded a winger for a RHD. The question is why did we trade a guy we saw develop from nothing to decent value last year in exchange for a new square 1 guy with a new set of questions and uncertainties.

The Blues traded Bolduc because

a) They value Snuggerud more, they value Neighbours WAAAAY more
b) Neighbours, Snuggerud and Holloway are going to be extended plus Buch and Kyrou are already here
c) Stenberg, Pekarcik, Carbonneau etc are on the rise which perhaps as soon as next season will allow the Blues to plug in a kid or two at a ELC level deal

Let me distill it:

1) Though I really like him, I have no problem with the Blues trading Bolduc.
2) I understand the Blues are weak on rh defense prospects, so I have no issue with them picking up LM or anyone else that provides depth.
3) I do not like Bolduc for LM. Even if LM works out, it doesn’t change the humongous gamble it was where the Blues took almost all the risk.

Thats a logical point after two games into the LM era. At this point i have faith in the Blues amateur guys evalution on LM plus Rob Ramage and a few others that have been around LM. Gonna have to wait and see he needs to develop who knows he may look great tonight or maybe its after Christman or maybe its next year.

[SRV1990]

He is a turn over machine! Over rated and he will costs us! Faulk is awful too! Better have some offense because these 2 guys on the d stink!

Welcome to the forum, tool. Any more uneducated hot takes?