Will I see another Cardinal world series

[Red Bird Classic]

The reaper isn’t hanging around my door. I used ten years, a decade, as a frame of reference. My intent was a ten year ish window.

As I was typing I thought” heck I may not see another WS. Hence the OP.

No pity party here.

How about a competitive team that’s fun to watch, that wins the division, and makes it to the NLCS?

This attitude by the FO is what separates the Cardinals from the Brewers.

DeWitt is not trying to win the WS.

Hoping? Yes.

Trying? Not so much.

The economics of baseball and America have changed. Now, the giant cities (NY, LA etc.) are incredibly rich. Smaller cities in flyover country are relatively poor. The Yanks and Dodgers, etc, have enormous revenue advantages--massive TV deals, naming rights, ticket prices that would make St. Louis fans puke.

The old way does not work. Small market teams have to crowd edges, draft well, develop contacts in the INF market, and most of all, laser focus on winning the WS.

While the Cardinals spend tens of millions on has beens like Molina and Arenado, the Brewers trade away popular players once they become more costly than they are worth. DeWitt thinks about short term revenue. The Brewers think long term.

That's why they Brewers are a real WS contender and the Cardinals are not.

I don't expect this to change: DeWittt said just the other day that the teams goal is to compete for the playoffs each year.

That's a second rate goal, for a second division team.

[rockondlouie]

Good morning.

Maybe so; maybe no. Pushing 70. Great health. Gives me 10-15 years.

We haven’t been in 12 years. Our franchise long is 18 years. And we are not close to stopping this streak.

My take. The organization has allowed itself to fall a level, reference relevance. We used to be a 1B level team. Now we are a 3, out of five levels.

At a 1B level, we could compete and compete for players, both FA and trade. Not any more. We don’t have the resources.

Problems. Once you fall so far, the team and city loses its allure. No one wants to come. That’s an issue.

A team with no star power. Simply won’t get it. Look at post season. How do we get a star. First, who and where is this stud. Second what are we gonna trade? Third, will he sign here as FA? These are issues.

Once you fall too far, it’s hard to recover. Pittsburgh has the best pitcher in baseball yet….

Since 2000, 20 different teams have made WS. This year, 4 of the remaining 10 are still in post season. Seattle has never been.

Again at my age, I may age out. I ask again- where and who is the stud we can get? This is a deep hole.

I don’t see it.

No...there are no guarantees in life but death...once you're born, you're dying

And taxes

[Gob]

Unlikely

[imetsatchelpaige]

God hates a coward...

In 2027, Yadier Molina becomes the Cardinal Manager.
In 2028, we go to the NLCS.
In 2029, we go to the WS.

[ClassicO]

Here you go. https://youtu.be/Fay5LnYOCqc?si=qZ9sdS7mDinw-zGL

[imetsatchelpaige]

Here you go. https://youtu.be/Fay5LnYOCqc?si=qZ9sdS7mDinw-zGL

Yep-just like that.
The greatest game I ever saw.

[ClassicO]

Here you go. https://youtu.be/Fay5LnYOCqc?si=qZ9sdS7mDinw-zGL

Yep-just like that.
The greatest game I ever saw.

Me too. It will be a long time until we see another WS appearance.

[ICCFIM2]

I have wondered the same and I am a decade younger. With no salary cap, huge revenue disparities and more playoff teams, getting to a WS is much harder than it was 10 years ago. That means a lot of things have to go right to ever get back. If ownership recommits itself, there are enoough talented players in the pipeline, the team should have a window to be very competitive by 2028 at the latest and maybe 2027. But it is going to require a laser focus on player development, drafting, good trades and the willingness to sign 2-3 premium free agents, even if the fan support is not back to the 3M level at the time of the FA signings.

What I did not understand at the time, but have understood more as time went on is the beginning of the end was when TLR stepped down after winning the 2011 WS. I thought he had retired to go out on top and did not grasp that he had really been pushed out. I was a pretty big MO fan for many years. But, his apparent in ability to listen to anyone with a differing opinion resulted in the organization losing almost 100% of its true baseball professionals with knowledge. It was a slow bleed out, but a bleed out it was. MO seemed to recognize that a couple of years ago, belatedly. Hopefully Bloom is the right guy to reverse that trend.

GO CARDS!

[Cranny]

The reaper isn’t hanging around my door. I used ten years, a decade, as a frame of reference. My intent was a ten year ish window.

As I was typing I thought” heck I may not see another WS. Hence the OP.

No pity party here.

How about a competitive team that’s fun to watch, that wins the division, and makes it to the NLCS?

This attitude by the FO is what separates the Cardinals from the Brewers.

DeWitt is not trying to win the WS.

Hoping? Yes.

Trying? Not so much.

The economics of baseball and America have changed. Now, the giant cities (NY, LA etc.) are incredibly rich. Smaller cities in flyover country are relatively poor. The Yanks and Dodgers, etc, have enormous revenue advantages--massive TV deals, naming rights, ticket prices that would make St. Louis fans puke.

The old way does not work. Small market teams have to crowd edges, draft well, develop contacts in the INF market, and most of all, laser focus on winning the WS.

While the Cardinals spend tens of millions on has beens like Molina and Arenado, the Brewers trade away popular players once they become more costly than they are worth. DeWitt thinks about short term revenue. The Brewers think long term.

That's why they Brewers are a real WS contender and the Cardinals are not.

I don't expect this to change: DeWittt said just the other day that the teams goal is to compete for the playoffs each year.

That's a second rate goal, for a second division team.

That's a good post, RBC. What BDW should have said it that the goal is to win the division and hopefully have a healthy team with momentum on their side going into the playoffs.

[ilcubuffs]

"DeWittt said just the other day that the teams goal is to compete for the playoffs each year."

Can you imagine how the old goat would react if MLB told him - because of your ambivalent attitude you will only receive .50 on dollar as net profit?

As for next WS - if NEW owner - 2 yrs. If same ownership group - 2030 if MLB is still an industry.

St Louis, the city, region and team, deserve so much better.

[82birds]

Good morning.

Maybe so; maybe no. Pushing 70. Great health. Gives me 10-15 years.

We haven’t been in 12 years. Our franchise long is 18 years. And we are not close to stopping this streak.

My take. The organization has allowed itself to fall a level, reference relevance. We used to be a 1B level team. Now we are a 3, out of five levels.

At a 1B level, we could compete and compete for players, both FA and trade. Not any more. We don’t have the resources.

Problems. Once you fall so far, the team and city loses its allure. No one wants to come. That’s an issue.

A team with no star power. Simply won’t get it. Look at post season. How do we get a star. First, who and where is this stud. Second what are we gonna trade? Third, will he sign here as FA? These are issues.

Once you fall too far, it’s hard to recover. Pittsburgh has the best pitcher in baseball yet….

Since 2000, 20 different teams have made WS. This year, 4 of the remaining 10 are still in post season. Seattle has never been.

Again at my age, I may age out. I ask again- where and who is the stud we can get? This is a deep hole.

I don’t see it.

At 80 years old I doubt that I will. And I doubt Mr. DeWitt will also.

79 1/2 YO with health problems so that is going to leave me out.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Good morning.

Maybe so; maybe no. Pushing 70. Great health. Gives me 10-15 years.

We haven’t been in 12 years. Our franchise long is 18 years. And we are not close to stopping this streak.

My take. The organization has allowed itself to fall a level, reference relevance. We used to be a 1B level team. Now we are a 3, out of five levels.

At a 1B level, we could compete and compete for players, both FA and trade. Not any more. We don’t have the resources.

Problems. Once you fall so far, the team and city loses its allure. No one wants to come. That’s an issue.

A team with no star power. Simply won’t get it. Look at post season. How do we get a star. First, who and where is this stud. Second what are we gonna trade? Third, will he sign here as FA? These are issues.

Once you fall too far, it’s hard to recover. Pittsburgh has the best pitcher in baseball yet….

Since 2000, 20 different teams have made WS. This year, 4 of the remaining 10 are still in post season. Seattle has never been.

Again at my age, I may age out. I ask again- where and who is the stud we can get? This is a deep hole.

I don’t see it.

At 80 years old I doubt that I will. And I doubt Mr. DeWitt will also.

79 1/2 YO with health problems so that is going to leave me out.

You’re ten years my senior. Enduring seasons of wither must really be frustrating.

[WLTFE]

Good morning.

Maybe so; maybe no. Pushing 70. Great health. Gives me 10-15 years.

We haven’t been in 12 years. Our franchise long is 18 years. And we are not close to stopping this streak.

My take. The organization has allowed itself to fall a level, reference relevance. We used to be a 1B level team. Now we are a 3, out of five levels.

At a 1B level, we could compete and compete for players, both FA and trade. Not any more. We don’t have the resources.

Problems. Once you fall so far, the team and city loses its allure. No one wants to come. That’s an issue.

A team with no star power. Simply won’t get it. Look at post season. How do we get a star. First, who and where is this stud. Second what are we gonna trade? Third, will he sign here as FA? These are issues.

Once you fall too far, it’s hard to recover. Pittsburgh has the best pitcher in baseball yet….

Since 2000, 20 different teams have made WS. This year, 4 of the remaining 10 are still in post season. Seattle has never been.

Again at my age, I may age out. I ask again- where and who is the stud we can get? This is a deep hole.

I don’t see it.

At 80 years old I doubt that I will. And I doubt Mr. DeWitt will also.

You're probably right...I've seen 10 World Series but the Mo-ran legacy has made me wonder if this can be fixed quickly...a few posters continue to hope all these young players will suddenly become stars...hope is not a plan.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Good morning.

Maybe so; maybe no. Pushing 70. Great health. Gives me 10-15 years.

We haven’t been in 12 years. Our franchise long is 18 years. And we are not close to stopping this streak.

My take. The organization has allowed itself to fall a level, reference relevance. We used to be a 1B level team. Now we are a 3, out of five levels.

At a 1B level, we could compete and compete for players, both FA and trade. Not any more. We don’t have the resources.

Problems. Once you fall so far, the team and city loses its allure. No one wants to come. That’s an issue.

A team with no star power. Simply won’t get it. Look at post season. How do we get a star. First, who and where is this stud. Second what are we gonna trade? Third, will he sign here as FA? These are issues.

Once you fall too far, it’s hard to recover. Pittsburgh has the best pitcher in baseball yet….

Since 2000, 20 different teams have made WS. This year, 4 of the remaining 10 are still in post season. Seattle has never been.

Again at my age, I may age out. I ask again- where and who is the stud we can get? This is a deep hole.

I don’t see it.

At 80 years old I doubt that I will. And I doubt Mr. DeWitt will also.

You're probably right...I've seen 10 World Series but the Mo-ran legacy has made me wonder if this can be fixed quickly...a few posters continue to hope all these young players will suddenly become stars...hope is not a plan.

You make a good point- can be fixed quickly. Are we even sure it can be fixed. 50 million ideas on CT, and none of them fit.

And it makes me wonder.

[todd-parker]

God hates a coward...

In 2027, Yadier Molina becomes the Cardinal Manager.
In 2028, we go to the NLCS.
In 2029, we go to the WS.

If Molina had been manager this year, how many more wins would he have been able to squeeze out of the roster as constructed?

[Goldfan]

Good morning.

Maybe so; maybe no. Pushing 70. Great health. Gives me 10-15 years.

We haven’t been in 12 years. Our franchise long is 18 years. And we are not close to stopping this streak.

My take. The organization has allowed itself to fall a level, reference relevance. We used to be a 1B level team. Now we are a 3, out of five levels.

At a 1B level, we could compete and compete for players, both FA and trade. Not any more. We don’t have the resources.

Problems. Once you fall so far, the team and city loses its allure. No one wants to come. That’s an issue.

A team with no star power. Simply won’t get it. Look at post season. How do we get a star. First, who and where is this stud. Second what are we gonna trade? Third, will he sign here as FA? These are issues.

Once you fall too far, it’s hard to recover. Pittsburgh has the best pitcher in baseball yet….

Since 2000, 20 different teams have made WS. This year, 4 of the remaining 10 are still in post season. Seattle has never been.

Again at my age, I may age out. I ask again- where and who is the stud we can get? This is a deep hole.

I don’t see it.

At 80 years old I doubt that I will. And I doubt Mr. DeWitt will also.

You're probably right...I've seen 10 World Series but the Mo-ran legacy has made me wonder if this can be fixed quickly...a few posters continue to hope all these young players will suddenly become stars...hope is not a plan.

You make a good point- can be fixed quickly. Are we even sure it can be fixed. 50 million ideas on CT, and none of them fit.

And it makes me wonder.

I can be fixed quickly but BDW won’t spend the money. Sign 2 top OF…..they’re there there offseason and supplement Gray with another top SP
Dump NA and Contreras and the payroll is well under 100mil……..if doable trade Gray because of age and find another SP.
All this takes is some creativity, money, and willingness to do it. But the owner is in low payroll save everything he can mode.
This rebuild with youth facade takes quite a while IF they hit on most prospects….a very low probability…..and by that time any worthy talent on the current roster will have cycled off.