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Re: The CORRECT plan to win 85 games next year and 90+ following.

Posted: 30 Sep 2025 14:45 pm
by Bubble4427
Melville wrote: 30 Sep 2025 13:40 pm All for now.
More later.
I can't believe I'm actually giving you this... but here, have some attention.

Re: The CORRECT plan to win 85 games next year and 90+ following.

Posted: 30 Sep 2025 15:16 pm
by Pura Vida
Melville wrote: 30 Sep 2025 09:49 am It is too soon to determine the Bloom/DeWitt objective for 2026 and beyond.
Perhaps they drag payroll even lower, perhaps they want to scrape to the bare earth and start over.
But that isn't necessary.
If they desire for the team to win at least 85/86 games next year, and 90+ in years following, it can be accomplished quite easily.
The organization can be fixed in 30 days or less - and I am happy to provide the correct roadmap.
But strategic decision making can only be effective if based on current data.
So, let’s start there.
First, the adequate and the good.
The 2025 STL offense was almost exactly middle of the pack in both BA (.245 with .247 being the MLB midpoint) and OBP (.314 vs. .315 midpoint.)
Note concerning OBP – only Nootbaar (11%) and Gorman (12%) drew walks at an above average rate.
Strikeouts were not really an issue since the team was just 40 above the MLB midpoint for the entire season.
STL excelled at hitting doubles, ranking 10 best and a reason for optimism.
No significant issues in those metrics.
Now the bad.
29th in HR (only 4 players were on pace for 20+ HR per 600 PA’s (Contreras, Herrera, Gorman, Burleson).
30th in triples.
20th in SB, with only Scott surpassing 10 for the year.
Team was 7th worst at GIDP with 115 (Herrera worst by a wide margin with 20; Gorman best with just 1).
These facts dictate why the team was 19th in MLB in runs scored, and 12th out of 16 NL team.
The outfield was easily the primary issue for the offense: the 3 starters (Nootbaar/Scott/Walker) scored a pathetic 68, 54, and 40 runs, while “driving in” an even worse 48, 41, and 37.
As I alone was first and best to analyze and explain many years ago, the outfield is the area of horrific weakness and currently has zero adequate starters.
Next, let’s look at roster construction going into 2026, examining the 15 position players most likely under consideration for a roster spot.
LH – BURLESON, DONOVAN, WETHERHOLT, CROOKS, GORMAN, NOOTBAAR, SCOTT, CHURCH
RH – WALKER, PAGES, CONTRERAS, HERRERA, WINN, SAGGESE, FERMIN
4 outfielders, 8 infielders, 2 catchers, 1 with no real position.
What does the data establish?
The outfield is a disaster.
Overall, the lineup has not enough power, is too slow, has too many LH bats.
Here is the roster solution for 2026 and the correct off-season plan to achieve it:
The team simply cannot trade what little power it has, meaning Contreras (1B/DH), Burleson (1B, DH, RF), Gorman (3B/2B,1B), and Herrera (TBD) must be retained for 2026.
The team can ill afford to get even slower, so Scott must be retained in CF and be given another opportunity.
No discussion needed that Winn must return at SS - primarily for the glove but the bat is certainly more than adequate on a properly constructed roster.
A RH/LH tandem of Pages/Crooks at catcher is the most probable at that spot.
Herrera's power may or may not be real (he hit nearly 2/3 of his HR in just 4 weeks), but he needs to find a position, with outfield being the best option while rotating through DH appearances.
Wetherholt is going to play (2B is best option) and if he hits, he should belong at leadoff - but it will be wise to have insurance.
That leaves Nootbaar, Donovan, Church, Walker, Saggese, and Fermin as the question marks.
Here is the correct answer to each.
Trade Nootbaar.
Trade Walker.
Trade Saggese or Fermin, whichever is preferred by an acquiring team as part of a larger package.
Move Donovan to LF - and he doubles as infield insurance in the event of underperformance.
Church is a passable 5th outfielder - but a RH hitting bench CF option might be an upgrade (worth noting that Joshua Baez should get long looks in CF in Memphis to begin 2026).
This is the 100% correct answer with each of the current roster options.
But it leaves one critical need unmet.
The team simply must add a RH hitting, ASG quality, productive, middle order bat (3rd or 4th) outfield bat - as I alone have unerringly and consistently stated for 5+ years.
By shopping/packaging Nootbaar, Walker, Saggese or Fermin, as well as 40-man roster fillers Pozo, Prieto, Koperniak, & Siani, along with prospects such as Bernal and C. Davis, there are plenty of trade pieces available (pitchers will be discussed later) to make that acquisition.
Finally, depending on a number of factors, this would potentially leave the team with one extra LH bat (Burleson, Donovan, Gorman, Scott) to use as a trade piece in July to address needs which emerge before the trade deadline - but these 4 should be retained until then.
There you have it.
The 100% fully accurate plan (completely unbiased, of course), to address position player roster decisions for 2026 and beyond.
My 100% fully accurate plan for the pitching staff will likely be provided this evening.
If STL does precisely as I advise, the team will win 85+games next season.
I give my personal guarantee.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
A nice read! The only place I differ is keep Saggese and trade Gorman while still looking for a big bat!

Re: The CORRECT plan to win 85 games next year and 90+ following.

Posted: 30 Sep 2025 15:56 pm
by alw80
Melville wrote: 30 Sep 2025 13:20 pm
alw80 wrote: 30 Sep 2025 10:07 am So basically, run it back. Brilliant.
Run it all back?
Nope.
Read it again.
New 3b, new 2b, new LF, new RF.
And several new pitching staff changes - which will be shared later.
Brilliant?
I would say "yes", but modesty constrains me from doing so.
Your commitment to this bit is somewhat admirable.

Re: The CORRECT plan to win 85 games next year and 90+ following.

Posted: 30 Sep 2025 16:47 pm
by CorneliusWolfe
How can any plan about turning this team around (especially quickly) not include anything about fixing the rotation?

Re: The CORRECT plan to win 85 games next year and 90+ following.

Posted: 30 Sep 2025 16:52 pm
by dugoutrex
Pura Vida wrote: 30 Sep 2025 15:16 pm
Melville wrote: 30 Sep 2025 09:49 am It is too soon to determine the Bloom/DeWitt objective for 2026 and beyond.
Perhaps they drag payroll even lower, perhaps they want to scrape to the bare earth and start over.
But that isn't necessary.
If they desire for the team to win at least 85/86 games next year, and 90+ in years following, it can be accomplished quite easily.
The organization can be fixed in 30 days or less - and I am happy to provide the correct roadmap.
But strategic decision making can only be effective if based on current data.
So, let’s start there.
First, the adequate and the good.
The 2025 STL offense was almost exactly middle of the pack in both BA (.245 with .247 being the MLB midpoint) and OBP (.314 vs. .315 midpoint.)
Note concerning OBP – only Nootbaar (11%) and Gorman (12%) drew walks at an above average rate.
Strikeouts were not really an issue since the team was just 40 above the MLB midpoint for the entire season.
STL excelled at hitting doubles, ranking 10 best and a reason for optimism.
No significant issues in those metrics.
Now the bad.
29th in HR (only 4 players were on pace for 20+ HR per 600 PA’s (Contreras, Herrera, Gorman, Burleson).
30th in triples.
20th in SB, with only Scott surpassing 10 for the year.
Team was 7th worst at GIDP with 115 (Herrera worst by a wide margin with 20; Gorman best with just 1).
These facts dictate why the team was 19th in MLB in runs scored, and 12th out of 16 NL team.
The outfield was easily the primary issue for the offense: the 3 starters (Nootbaar/Scott/Walker) scored a pathetic 68, 54, and 40 runs, while “driving in” an even worse 48, 41, and 37.
As I alone was first and best to analyze and explain many years ago, the outfield is the area of horrific weakness and currently has zero adequate starters.
Next, let’s look at roster construction going into 2026, examining the 15 position players most likely under consideration for a roster spot.
LH – BURLESON, DONOVAN, WETHERHOLT, CROOKS, GORMAN, NOOTBAAR, SCOTT, CHURCH
RH – WALKER, PAGES, CONTRERAS, HERRERA, WINN, SAGGESE, FERMIN
4 outfielders, 8 infielders, 2 catchers, 1 with no real position.
What does the data establish?
The outfield is a disaster.
Overall, the lineup has not enough power, is too slow, has too many LH bats.
Here is the roster solution for 2026 and the correct off-season plan to achieve it:
The team simply cannot trade what little power it has, meaning Contreras (1B/DH), Burleson (1B, DH, RF), Gorman (3B/2B,1B), and Herrera (TBD) must be retained for 2026.
The team can ill afford to get even slower, so Scott must be retained in CF and be given another opportunity.
No discussion needed that Winn must return at SS - primarily for the glove but the bat is certainly more than adequate on a properly constructed roster.
A RH/LH tandem of Pages/Crooks at catcher is the most probable at that spot.
Herrera's power may or may not be real (he hit nearly 2/3 of his HR in just 4 weeks), but he needs to find a position, with outfield being the best option while rotating through DH appearances.
Wetherholt is going to play (2B is best option) and if he hits, he should belong at leadoff - but it will be wise to have insurance.
That leaves Nootbaar, Donovan, Church, Walker, Saggese, and Fermin as the question marks.
Here is the correct answer to each.
Trade Nootbaar.
Trade Walker.
Trade Saggese or Fermin, whichever is preferred by an acquiring team as part of a larger package.
Move Donovan to LF - and he doubles as infield insurance in the event of underperformance.
Church is a passable 5th outfielder - but a RH hitting bench CF option might be an upgrade (worth noting that Joshua Baez should get long looks in CF in Memphis to begin 2026).
This is the 100% correct answer with each of the current roster options.
But it leaves one critical need unmet.
The team simply must add a RH hitting, ASG quality, productive, middle order bat (3rd or 4th) outfield bat - as I alone have unerringly and consistently stated for 5+ years.
By shopping/packaging Nootbaar, Walker, Saggese or Fermin, as well as 40-man roster fillers Pozo, Prieto, Koperniak, & Siani, along with prospects such as Bernal and C. Davis, there are plenty of trade pieces available (pitchers will be discussed later) to make that acquisition.
Finally, depending on a number of factors, this would potentially leave the team with one extra LH bat (Burleson, Donovan, Gorman, Scott) to use as a trade piece in July to address needs which emerge before the trade deadline - but these 4 should be retained until then.
There you have it.
The 100% fully accurate plan (completely unbiased, of course), to address position player roster decisions for 2026 and beyond.
My 100% fully accurate plan for the pitching staff will likely be provided this evening.
If STL does precisely as I advise, the team will win 85+games next season.
I give my personal guarantee.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
A nice read! The only place I differ is keep Saggese and trade Gorman while still looking for a big bat!
can't trade a unicorn

Re: The CORRECT plan to win 85 games next year and 90+ following.

Posted: 30 Sep 2025 16:56 pm
by Ordinary Man
imetsatchelpaige wrote: 30 Sep 2025 13:13 pm I would like to respectfully request people STOP QUOTING MELVILLE'S FULL POST.
We know what the thread is about and you are cluttering the world.
THANK-YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
No trees were harmed in disseminating this material. However, many electrons were greatly inconvenienced.

Re: The CORRECT plan to win 85 games next year and 90+ following.

Posted: 30 Sep 2025 17:10 pm
by Cusecards
alw80 wrote: 30 Sep 2025 15:56 pm
Melville wrote: 30 Sep 2025 13:20 pm
alw80 wrote: 30 Sep 2025 10:07 am So basically, run it back. Brilliant.
Run it all back?
Nope.
Read it again.
New 3b, new 2b, new LF, new RF.
And several new pitching staff changes - which will be shared later.
Brilliant?
I would say "yes", but modesty constrains me from doing so.
Your commitment to this bit is somewhat admirable.
LMAO
“Bit” works. “Act”? “Shtick”?
All fit!
In reality there are only two scenarios:
He is either serious or not serious.
Both are flawed but one is definitely worse:
Not serious?- He is joking around and acting out a part for attention. Harmless but sad, childish, and majorly pathetic. To constantly seek attention from total strangers says it all. And he clearly needs new material. Same old one liners are boring although comical.
Serious??- This is beyond disturbing and while he is annoying I don’t wish him any harm. He needs help. Hopefully he gets it.

Re: The CORRECT plan to win 85 games next year and 90+ following.

Posted: 30 Sep 2025 17:12 pm
by riff raff
Ordinary Man wrote: 30 Sep 2025 16:56 pm
imetsatchelpaige wrote: 30 Sep 2025 13:13 pm I would like to respectfully request people STOP QUOTING MELVILLE'S FULL POST.
We know what the thread is about and you are cluttering the world.
THANK-YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
No trees were harmed in disseminating this material. However, many electrons were greatly inconvenienced.
You're Bill Nye the science guy, aren't you

Re: The CORRECT plan to win 85 games next year and 90+ following.

Posted: 30 Sep 2025 17:19 pm
by alw80
Cusecards wrote: 30 Sep 2025 17:10 pm
alw80 wrote: 30 Sep 2025 15:56 pm
Melville wrote: 30 Sep 2025 13:20 pm
alw80 wrote: 30 Sep 2025 10:07 am So basically, run it back. Brilliant.
Run it all back?
Nope.
Read it again.
New 3b, new 2b, new LF, new RF.
And several new pitching staff changes - which will be shared later.
Brilliant?
I would say "yes", but modesty constrains me from doing so.
Your commitment to this bit is somewhat admirable.
LMAO
“Bit” works. “Act”? “Shtick”?
All fit!
In reality there are only two scenarios:
He is either serious or not serious.
Both are flawed but one is definitely worse:
Not serious?- He is joking around and acting out a part for attention. Harmless but sad, childish, and majorly pathetic. To constantly seek attention from total strangers says it all. And he clearly needs new material. Same old one liners are boring although comical.
Serious??- This is beyond disturbing and while he is annoying I don’t wish him any harm. He needs help. Hopefully he gets it.
There can't be any way he is serious. But it does take an incredible level of commitment to come here and do his little act everyday and not break character.

Re: The CORRECT plan to win 85 games next year and 90+ following.

Posted: 30 Sep 2025 17:38 pm
by Cusecards
alw80 wrote: 30 Sep 2025 17:19 pm
Cusecards wrote: 30 Sep 2025 17:10 pm
alw80 wrote: 30 Sep 2025 15:56 pm
Melville wrote: 30 Sep 2025 13:20 pm
alw80 wrote: 30 Sep 2025 10:07 am So basically, run it back. Brilliant.
Run it all back?
Nope.
Read it again.
New 3b, new 2b, new LF, new RF.
And several new pitching staff changes - which will be shared later.
Brilliant?
I would say "yes", but modesty constrains me from doing so.
Your commitment to this bit is somewhat admirable.
LMAO
“Bit” works. “Act”? “Shtick”?
All fit!
In reality there are only two scenarios:
He is either serious or not serious.
Both are flawed but one is definitely worse:
Not serious?- He is joking around and acting out a part for attention. Harmless but sad, childish, and majorly pathetic. To constantly seek attention from total strangers says it all. And he clearly needs new material. Same old one liners are boring although comical.
Serious??- This is beyond disturbing and while he is annoying I don’t wish him any harm. He needs help. Hopefully he gets it.
There can't be any way he is serious. But it does take an incredible level of commitment to come here and do his little act everyday and not break character.
For his sake......and the sake of anyone around him....I certainly hope so.
And you are spot on with the commitment.

Re: The CORRECT plan to win 85 games next year and 90+ following.

Posted: 30 Sep 2025 18:56 pm
by Melville
hmoss859 wrote: 30 Sep 2025 11:44 am Melville, your blind love for Gorman is over the top.

He is a whiff machine, poor fielder and baserunner.

Get over your Gorman boycrush and reassess.
Never for or against any player.
I am completely free of bias and agenda.
Data informs everything.
The team was 29th in HR - and have zero power hitters in the minor league system ready to join the major league club when next season begins.
There are 4 players on the roster who possess the ability to hit 20+ HR in 600 PA's (though only 3 have ever done so, while the 4th is a projection based on 4 weeks of work).
Gorman is the only one who has surpassed 25.
Fact is, a team which is 29th in HR is simply in no position to trade away what power it does have.
Does he strike out too much?
Yes.
Was he still in the top 4 run producers for the team in 2025?
Also yes.
That is not an endorsement - it is simply the reality.

Re: The CORRECT plan to win 85 games next year and 90+ following.

Posted: 30 Sep 2025 18:59 pm
by Melville
imetsatchelpaige wrote: 30 Sep 2025 13:13 pm I would like to respectfully request people STOP QUOTING MELVILLE'S FULL POST.
We know what the thread is about and you are cluttering the world.
THANK-YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
In turn, thank you for reading my posts.
All of them.
Twice.
While taking notes.

Re: The CORRECT plan to win 85 games next year and 90+ following.

Posted: 30 Sep 2025 19:02 pm
by woofy25
So many flaws with the op.

Re: The CORRECT plan to win 85 games next year and 90+ following.

Posted: 30 Sep 2025 19:03 pm
by Melville
Carp4Cy wrote: 30 Sep 2025 13:14 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: 30 Sep 2025 10:33 am Victor Scott's slg % didn't even equal Trey Turner's batting average, yet we should give him a 3rd year/chance to prove he can't hit? 😆
I have the same issue with giving Gorman a 5th year.

I mean maybe we get to 84 wins and a WC with just a new moto OFer and fixing the rotation. But we are never getting to 90-95 wins long term with Gorman as starting 3b and Scott as everyday CF.

Melville hasn’t shared how we feasibly improve after 2026
Actually, I have - in part.
See the list I provided of position players whom STL should trade for near term and long-term assets.
Also, please note I have not yet provided my perfect analysis of the pitching side of the organization.
Hopefully can get to that sometime tonight.
If STL does exactly as I advise, they will win 85 or more games in 2026 - and 90+ as soon as 2027.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

Re: The CORRECT plan to win 85 games next year and 90+ following.

Posted: 30 Sep 2025 19:05 pm
by Melville
12xu wrote: 30 Sep 2025 13:36 pm
imetsatchelpaige wrote: 30 Sep 2025 13:13 pm I would like to respectfully request people STOP QUOTING MELVILLE'S FULL POST.
We know what the thread is about and you are cluttering the world.
THANK-YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
Yes, sir, Mr. Forum Monitor, sir! Thank you for your assholishness in this matter!
It's fine.
Keep in mind, there are several folks here who post exactly as I dictate to them.
Not everyone can be only and always about the game as I am.

Re: The CORRECT plan to win 85 games next year and 90+ following.

Posted: 30 Sep 2025 19:06 pm
by Melville
Catfish4U wrote: 30 Sep 2025 14:08 pm Great analysis! I think the pitching will be much tougher as we have many young question marks!
You are not wrong.