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ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 15:47 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 13:09 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 12:13 pm So Bloom and not Friedman put together the scouting and development staff? Friedman put together one of the best scouting and development staff in MLB after the Dodgers hired him.

SM

Bloom was one of the architects behind what is known as "The Rays Way." He helped them pioneer a strategy that allowed them to draft and develop their stars rather than go out and spend big money to sign them. He did the same with the Red Sox after they hired him to take over as Chief Baseball Officer in 2020. SI.com


https://www.si.com/mlb/cardinals/st-lou ... 0in%202020.

The Philadelphia native began working in player development for the Rays as their assistant director of minor league operations in 2008 and is credited with developing “The Rays Way,” a player development plan that has shaped how Tampa Bay has worked with prospects throughout the last decade.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/10 ... ience.html

So yes, it was indeed Bloom and not Friedman who put together first the Rays and then the Sox systems.

Now he's put it into place for the Cardinals, let's hope it's as successful!

Bloom worked for Friedman. Friedman put together one of the best minor league and international scouting and development systems in MLB both and Tampa and Los Angeles. Chaim worked there. In theory learned some things. Didn't work out at Boston for him while LA became much better.

Perhaps Boston was an anomaly and he will turn around the Cardinals but I wouldn't give him as much credit as some are for what happened in Tampa given what Frieman accomplished in LA and Bloom's firing at Boston.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:52 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:35 am

Bomber1 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:26 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:52 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:42 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:27 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 08:12 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 07:30 am

2ninr wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:54 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Tampa got better after he was gone. Maybe the groundwork he layed had something to do with that. I know you are aware he was forced to shed salary in Boston and than was fired because of the fans blaming him. Than they got better as well. It's all how you want to frame it.

As I understand it the question in Boston is whether the owner was pulling a Gussie Busch and ordering him to trade good and popular players like Betts and Bogaerts. Bottom line they got better after he left. Currently sitting at 87 wins.

If he was responsible for the Tampa success then that's great but I've known people who were quick to take credit for the success of others. I'm not so sure Andrew Friedman wasn't a big part of that. He seems to be doing well with the Dodgers.

2014: The Rays promoted Bloom to Vice President of Baseball Operations. His responsibilities expanded to include his overseeing domestic and international player development, a newly created baseball performance science department, trade negotiations, pro, amateur, and international scouting philosophy, personnel additions and changes throughout baseball operations, and short- and long-term strategic planning

Tampa's record:
2016: 68-94
2017: 80-82
2018: 90-72
2019: 96-66 (BLOOM LEAVES FOR BOSTON after season)
2020: 40-20 (Made it to the WS)
2021: 100-62
2022: 86-76
2023: 99-63
2024: 80-82

ScotchMIrish, unless you want to argue that Bloom got to take all the amateur players he signed/drafted and the scouting personnel/philosophy with him to Boston, then your argument is a bad one...

Kevin Cash stayed in Tampa. Tampa won 100/86/99 and Boston posted losing records. Perhaps the manager had something to do with the success? Perhaps Friedman also had something to do with Tampa's success?

I've knows people whose best quality is taking credit for the accomplishments of others. Bloom was unemployed until the Cardinals hired him. If he was the driver of Tampa's success then great but I'll let him show it in the standings rather than stipulate to it.

It's hard to debate stupid.

Yes, a person in charge of scouting/signing/drafting amateur talent today will only realize the fruits of their labor in their labor 2-5 years down the road.

So if you're in charge of that for 5 years, then leave job, all of your player personnel choices are still making their way through the system.

Okay, dim bulb?

Hired in 2019 by the Red Sux. Fired to start 2023 season...

How did he remake the Sux? One playoff appearance since 2019. That was 2021. It's 5-6 years later, and are the Sux really a contender?

Well the Sox are 15 over .500 with a strong chance to make the playoffs, and have the #3 rated farm system.
What more would you expect at this point?

make the playoffs? wake me when that happens. Basically show the same success as the Cards have...

Are they a contender? have they even won the AL East since 2018. Cards won NL Central in 2022.

Well maybe I’ll wake you after the games Sunday.

The fact is the Red Sox organization is in a hell of a lot better shape than the Cardinals organization.

Hopefully in 5 years the Cardinals will be in good shape as an organization.

Braund241 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 20:01 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Well the good news is they can’t get much worse now. They are pretty much the Pirates already. So if can’t keep them above the Pirates, there’s your answer. They aren’t going to get much better, for sure.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 19:07 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 15:47 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 13:09 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 12:13 pm So Bloom and not Friedman put together the scouting and development staff? Friedman put together one of the best scouting and development staff in MLB after the Dodgers hired him.

SM

Bloom was one of the architects behind what is known as "The Rays Way." He helped them pioneer a strategy that allowed them to draft and develop their stars rather than go out and spend big money to sign them. He did the same with the Red Sox after they hired him to take over as Chief Baseball Officer in 2020. SI.com


https://www.si.com/mlb/cardinals/st-lou ... 0in%202020.

The Philadelphia native began working in player development for the Rays as their assistant director of minor league operations in 2008 and is credited with developing “The Rays Way,” a player development plan that has shaped how Tampa Bay has worked with prospects throughout the last decade.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/10 ... ience.html

So yes, it was indeed Bloom and not Friedman who put together first the Rays and then the Sox systems.

Now he's put it into place for the Cardinals, let's hope it's as successful!

Bloom worked for Friedman. Friedman put together one of the best minor league and international scouting and development systems in MLB both and Tampa and Los Angeles. Chaim worked there. In theory learned some things. Didn't work out at Boston for him while LA became much better.

Perhaps Boston was an anomaly and he will turn around the Cardinals but I wouldn't give him as much credit as some are for what happened in Tampa given what Frieman accomplished in LA and Bloom's firing at Boston.

Red Sox farm system:
2019 preseason: 30th out of 30 teams
2024 preseason: 3rd out of 30 teams

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 20:50 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 19:07 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 15:47 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 13:09 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 12:13 pm So Bloom and not Friedman put together the scouting and development staff? Friedman put together one of the best scouting and development staff in MLB after the Dodgers hired him.

SM

Bloom was one of the architects behind what is known as "The Rays Way." He helped them pioneer a strategy that allowed them to draft and develop their stars rather than go out and spend big money to sign them. He did the same with the Red Sox after they hired him to take over as Chief Baseball Officer in 2020. SI.com


https://www.si.com/mlb/cardinals/st-lou ... 0in%202020.

The Philadelphia native began working in player development for the Rays as their assistant director of minor league operations in 2008 and is credited with developing “The Rays Way,” a player development plan that has shaped how Tampa Bay has worked with prospects throughout the last decade.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/10 ... ience.html

So yes, it was indeed Bloom and not Friedman who put together first the Rays and then the Sox systems.

Now he's put it into place for the Cardinals, let's hope it's as successful!

Bloom worked for Friedman. Friedman put together one of the best minor league and international scouting and development systems in MLB both and Tampa and Los Angeles. Chaim worked there. In theory learned some things. Didn't work out at Boston for him while LA became much better.

Perhaps Boston was an anomaly and he will turn around the Cardinals but I wouldn't give him as much credit as some are for what happened in Tampa given what Frieman accomplished in LA and Bloom's firing at Boston.

Red Sox farm system:
2019 preseason: 30th out of 30 teams
2024 preseason: 3rd out of 30 teams

It's now the end of the 2025 season. I skeptical of the ability read the minor league tea leaves but 2 years later the Dodgers are #2. Cardinals #9. Boston #14. I'm thinking Friedman had a lot to do with Tampa's success.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/460 ... s-mariners

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 21:00 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 20:50 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 19:07 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 15:47 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 13:09 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 12:13 pm So Bloom and not Friedman put together the scouting and development staff? Friedman put together one of the best scouting and development staff in MLB after the Dodgers hired him.

SM

Bloom was one of the architects behind what is known as "The Rays Way." He helped them pioneer a strategy that allowed them to draft and develop their stars rather than go out and spend big money to sign them. He did the same with the Red Sox after they hired him to take over as Chief Baseball Officer in 2020. SI.com


https://www.si.com/mlb/cardinals/st-lou ... 0in%202020.

The Philadelphia native began working in player development for the Rays as their assistant director of minor league operations in 2008 and is credited with developing “The Rays Way,” a player development plan that has shaped how Tampa Bay has worked with prospects throughout the last decade.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/10 ... ience.html

So yes, it was indeed Bloom and not Friedman who put together first the Rays and then the Sox systems.

Now he's put it into place for the Cardinals, let's hope it's as successful!

Bloom worked for Friedman. Friedman put together one of the best minor league and international scouting and development systems in MLB both and Tampa and Los Angeles. Chaim worked there. In theory learned some things. Didn't work out at Boston for him while LA became much better.

Perhaps Boston was an anomaly and he will turn around the Cardinals but I wouldn't give him as much credit as some are for what happened in Tampa given what Frieman accomplished in LA and Bloom's firing at Boston.

Red Sox farm system:
2019 preseason: 30th out of 30 teams
2024 preseason: 3rd out of 30 teams

It's now the end of the 2025 season. I skeptical of the ability read the minor league tea leaves but 2 years later the Dodgers are #2. Cardinals #9. Boston #14. I'm thinking Friedman had a lot to do with Tampa's success.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/460 ... s-mariners

Bostons preseason rank was 3rd.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 21:22 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 21:00 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 20:50 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 19:07 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 15:47 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 13:09 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 12:13 pm So Bloom and not Friedman put together the scouting and development staff? Friedman put together one of the best scouting and development staff in MLB after the Dodgers hired him.

SM

Bloom was one of the architects behind what is known as "The Rays Way." He helped them pioneer a strategy that allowed them to draft and develop their stars rather than go out and spend big money to sign them. He did the same with the Red Sox after they hired him to take over as Chief Baseball Officer in 2020. SI.com


https://www.si.com/mlb/cardinals/st-lou ... 0in%202020.

The Philadelphia native began working in player development for the Rays as their assistant director of minor league operations in 2008 and is credited with developing “The Rays Way,” a player development plan that has shaped how Tampa Bay has worked with prospects throughout the last decade.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/10 ... ience.html

So yes, it was indeed Bloom and not Friedman who put together first the Rays and then the Sox systems.

Now he's put it into place for the Cardinals, let's hope it's as successful!

Bloom worked for Friedman. Friedman put together one of the best minor league and international scouting and development systems in MLB both and Tampa and Los Angeles. Chaim worked there. In theory learned some things. Didn't work out at Boston for him while LA became much better.

Perhaps Boston was an anomaly and he will turn around the Cardinals but I wouldn't give him as much credit as some are for what happened in Tampa given what Frieman accomplished in LA and Bloom's firing at Boston.

Red Sox farm system:
2019 preseason: 30th out of 30 teams
2024 preseason: 3rd out of 30 teams

It's now the end of the 2025 season. I skeptical of the ability read the minor league tea leaves but 2 years later the Dodgers are #2. Cardinals #9. Boston #14. I'm thinking Friedman had a lot to do with Tampa's success.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/460 ... s-mariners

Bostons preseason rank was 3rd.

4th according to ESPN and they finished 14th.

Cardinals were 19th preseason and finished 9th. To the extent Bloom was responsible for that it's great news. I still don't buy that he was solely responsible for Tampa's success given what Friedman has done with the Dodgers system.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 21:31 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 21:22 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 21:00 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 20:50 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 19:07 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 15:47 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 13:09 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 12:13 pm So Bloom and not Friedman put together the scouting and development staff? Friedman put together one of the best scouting and development staff in MLB after the Dodgers hired him.

SM

Bloom was one of the architects behind what is known as "The Rays Way." He helped them pioneer a strategy that allowed them to draft and develop their stars rather than go out and spend big money to sign them. He did the same with the Red Sox after they hired him to take over as Chief Baseball Officer in 2020. SI.com


https://www.si.com/mlb/cardinals/st-lou ... 0in%202020.

The Philadelphia native began working in player development for the Rays as their assistant director of minor league operations in 2008 and is credited with developing “The Rays Way,” a player development plan that has shaped how Tampa Bay has worked with prospects throughout the last decade.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/10 ... ience.html

So yes, it was indeed Bloom and not Friedman who put together first the Rays and then the Sox systems.

Now he's put it into place for the Cardinals, let's hope it's as successful!

Bloom worked for Friedman. Friedman put together one of the best minor league and international scouting and development systems in MLB both and Tampa and Los Angeles. Chaim worked there. In theory learned some things. Didn't work out at Boston for him while LA became much better.

Perhaps Boston was an anomaly and he will turn around the Cardinals but I wouldn't give him as much credit as some are for what happened in Tampa given what Frieman accomplished in LA and Bloom's firing at Boston.

Red Sox farm system:
2019 preseason: 30th out of 30 teams
2024 preseason: 3rd out of 30 teams

It's now the end of the 2025 season. I skeptical of the ability read the minor league tea leaves but 2 years later the Dodgers are #2. Cardinals #9. Boston #14. I'm thinking Friedman had a lot to do with Tampa's success.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/460 ... s-mariners

Bostons preseason rank was 3rd.

4th according to ESPN and they finished 14th.

Cardinals were 19th preseason and finished 9th. To the extent Bloom was responsible for that it's great news. I still don't buy that he was solely responsible for Tampa's success given what Friedman has done with the Dodgers system.

No one on hear is saying that Bloom was solely responsible for a small payroll team to have 15+ years of good baseball.

But seriously, let’s give all the credit to Friedman. Bloom carried that learning in Tampa well after Friedman left, no?

And under Bloom, the Sox DID turn around their farm system, no?

If the dodgers can teach us one thing it’s that you can have all the money in the world, but at the very least, you need a pipeline. No matter how much money.

Bloom is creating that pipeline. And he has a track record now and resume now, without Friedman’s oversight.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 21:43 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 21:31 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 21:22 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 21:00 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 20:50 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 19:07 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 15:47 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 13:09 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 12:13 pm So Bloom and not Friedman put together the scouting and development staff? Friedman put together one of the best scouting and development staff in MLB after the Dodgers hired him.

SM

Bloom was one of the architects behind what is known as "The Rays Way." He helped them pioneer a strategy that allowed them to draft and develop their stars rather than go out and spend big money to sign them. He did the same with the Red Sox after they hired him to take over as Chief Baseball Officer in 2020. SI.com


https://www.si.com/mlb/cardinals/st-lou ... 0in%202020.

The Philadelphia native began working in player development for the Rays as their assistant director of minor league operations in 2008 and is credited with developing “The Rays Way,” a player development plan that has shaped how Tampa Bay has worked with prospects throughout the last decade.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/10 ... ience.html

So yes, it was indeed Bloom and not Friedman who put together first the Rays and then the Sox systems.

Now he's put it into place for the Cardinals, let's hope it's as successful!

Bloom worked for Friedman. Friedman put together one of the best minor league and international scouting and development systems in MLB both and Tampa and Los Angeles. Chaim worked there. In theory learned some things. Didn't work out at Boston for him while LA became much better.

Perhaps Boston was an anomaly and he will turn around the Cardinals but I wouldn't give him as much credit as some are for what happened in Tampa given what Frieman accomplished in LA and Bloom's firing at Boston.

Red Sox farm system:
2019 preseason: 30th out of 30 teams
2024 preseason: 3rd out of 30 teams

It's now the end of the 2025 season. I skeptical of the ability read the minor league tea leaves but 2 years later the Dodgers are #2. Cardinals #9. Boston #14. I'm thinking Friedman had a lot to do with Tampa's success.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/460 ... s-mariners

Bostons preseason rank was 3rd.

4th according to ESPN and they finished 14th.

Cardinals were 19th preseason and finished 9th. To the extent Bloom was responsible for that it's great news. I still don't buy that he was solely responsible for Tampa's success given what Friedman has done with the Dodgers system.

No one on hear is saying that Bloom was solely responsible for a small payroll team to have 15+ years of good baseball.

But seriously, let’s give all the credit to Friedman. Bloom carried that learning in Tampa well after Friedman left, no?

And under Bloom, the Sox DID turn around their farm system, no?

If the dodgers can teach us one thing it’s that you can have all the money in the world, but at the very least, you need a pipeline. No matter how much money.

Bloom is creating that pipeline. And he has a track record now and resume now, without Friedman’s oversight.

That would be great news but I don't buy the sunshine pumping about Bloom's success in Tampa with no mention of Friedman.

Our minor league system needs an overhaul. Perhaps that is already underway.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 21:59 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 21:43 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 21:31 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 21:22 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 21:00 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 20:50 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 19:07 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 15:47 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 13:09 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 12:13 pm So Bloom and not Friedman put together the scouting and development staff? Friedman put together one of the best scouting and development staff in MLB after the Dodgers hired him.

SM

Bloom was one of the architects behind what is known as "The Rays Way." He helped them pioneer a strategy that allowed them to draft and develop their stars rather than go out and spend big money to sign them. He did the same with the Red Sox after they hired him to take over as Chief Baseball Officer in 2020. SI.com


https://www.si.com/mlb/cardinals/st-lou ... 0in%202020.

The Philadelphia native began working in player development for the Rays as their assistant director of minor league operations in 2008 and is credited with developing “The Rays Way,” a player development plan that has shaped how Tampa Bay has worked with prospects throughout the last decade.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/10 ... ience.html

So yes, it was indeed Bloom and not Friedman who put together first the Rays and then the Sox systems.

Now he's put it into place for the Cardinals, let's hope it's as successful!

Bloom worked for Friedman. Friedman put together one of the best minor league and international scouting and development systems in MLB both and Tampa and Los Angeles. Chaim worked there. In theory learned some things. Didn't work out at Boston for him while LA became much better.

Perhaps Boston was an anomaly and he will turn around the Cardinals but I wouldn't give him as much credit as some are for what happened in Tampa given what Frieman accomplished in LA and Bloom's firing at Boston.

Red Sox farm system:
2019 preseason: 30th out of 30 teams
2024 preseason: 3rd out of 30 teams

It's now the end of the 2025 season. I skeptical of the ability read the minor league tea leaves but 2 years later the Dodgers are #2. Cardinals #9. Boston #14. I'm thinking Friedman had a lot to do with Tampa's success.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/460 ... s-mariners

Bostons preseason rank was 3rd.

4th according to ESPN and they finished 14th.

Cardinals were 19th preseason and finished 9th. To the extent Bloom was responsible for that it's great news. I still don't buy that he was solely responsible for Tampa's success given what Friedman has done with the Dodgers system.

No one on hear is saying that Bloom was solely responsible for a small payroll team to have 15+ years of good baseball.

But seriously, let’s give all the credit to Friedman. Bloom carried that learning in Tampa well after Friedman left, no?

And under Bloom, the Sox DID turn around their farm system, no?

If the dodgers can teach us one thing it’s that you can have all the money in the world, but at the very least, you need a pipeline. No matter how much money.

Bloom is creating that pipeline. And he has a track record now and resume now, without Friedman’s oversight.

That would be great news but I don't buy the sunshine pumping about Bloom's success in Tampa with no mention of Friedman.

Our minor league system needs an overhaul. Perhaps that is already underway.

Okay. If he does it, you have to acknowledge it. and if he doesn’t, I will too.

Thanks, Scotch.

Braund241 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 20:06 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:52 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:35 am

Bomber1 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 10:26 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:52 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:42 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 09:27 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 08:12 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 07:30 am

2ninr wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:54 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Tampa got better after he was gone. Maybe the groundwork he layed had something to do with that. I know you are aware he was forced to shed salary in Boston and than was fired because of the fans blaming him. Than they got better as well. It's all how you want to frame it.

As I understand it the question in Boston is whether the owner was pulling a Gussie Busch and ordering him to trade good and popular players like Betts and Bogaerts. Bottom line they got better after he left. Currently sitting at 87 wins.

If he was responsible for the Tampa success then that's great but I've known people who were quick to take credit for the success of others. I'm not so sure Andrew Friedman wasn't a big part of that. He seems to be doing well with the Dodgers.

2014: The Rays promoted Bloom to Vice President of Baseball Operations. His responsibilities expanded to include his overseeing domestic and international player development, a newly created baseball performance science department, trade negotiations, pro, amateur, and international scouting philosophy, personnel additions and changes throughout baseball operations, and short- and long-term strategic planning

Tampa's record:
2016: 68-94
2017: 80-82
2018: 90-72
2019: 96-66 (BLOOM LEAVES FOR BOSTON after season)
2020: 40-20 (Made it to the WS)
2021: 100-62
2022: 86-76
2023: 99-63
2024: 80-82

ScotchMIrish, unless you want to argue that Bloom got to take all the amateur players he signed/drafted and the scouting personnel/philosophy with him to Boston, then your argument is a bad one...

Kevin Cash stayed in Tampa. Tampa won 100/86/99 and Boston posted losing records. Perhaps the manager had something to do with the success? Perhaps Friedman also had something to do with Tampa's success?

I've knows people whose best quality is taking credit for the accomplishments of others. Bloom was unemployed until the Cardinals hired him. If he was the driver of Tampa's success then great but I'll let him show it in the standings rather than stipulate to it.

It's hard to debate stupid.

Yes, a person in charge of scouting/signing/drafting amateur talent today will only realize the fruits of their labor in their labor 2-5 years down the road.

So if you're in charge of that for 5 years, then leave job, all of your player personnel choices are still making their way through the system.

Okay, dim bulb?

Hired in 2019 by the Red Sux. Fired to start 2023 season...

How did he remake the Sux? One playoff appearance since 2019. That was 2021. It's 5-6 years later, and are the Sux really a contender?

Well the Sox are 15 over .500 with a strong chance to make the playoffs, and have the #3 rated farm system.
What more would you expect at this point?

make the playoffs? wake me when that happens. Basically show the same success as the Cards have...

Are they a contender? have they even won the AL East since 2018. Cards won NL Central in 2022.

Well maybe I’ll wake you after the games Sunday.

The fact is the Red Sox organization is in a hell of a lot better shape than the Cardinals organization.

Hopefully in 5 years the Cardinals will be in good shape as an organization.

In five years I maybe dead. And we will be living in Afghanistan. That the best you have to offer.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 15:47 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 13:09 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 12:13 pm So Bloom and not Friedman put together the scouting and development staff? Friedman put together one of the best scouting and development staff in MLB after the Dodgers hired him.

SM

Bloom was one of the architects behind what is known as "The Rays Way." He helped them pioneer a strategy that allowed them to draft and develop their stars rather than go out and spend big money to sign them. He did the same with the Red Sox after they hired him to take over as Chief Baseball Officer in 2020. SI.com


https://www.si.com/mlb/cardinals/st-lou ... 0in%202020.

The Philadelphia native began working in player development for the Rays as their assistant director of minor league operations in 2008 and is credited with developing “The Rays Way,” a player development plan that has shaped how Tampa Bay has worked with prospects throughout the last decade.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/10 ... ience.html

So yes, it was indeed Bloom and not Friedman who put together first the Rays and then the Sox systems.

Now he's put it into place for the Cardinals, let's hope it's as successful!

Bloom worked for Friedman. Friedman put together one of the best minor league and international scouting and development systems in MLB both and Tampa and Los Angeles. Chaim worked there. In theory learned some things. Didn't work out at Boston for him while LA became much better.

Perhaps Boston was an anomaly and he will turn around the Cardinals but I wouldn't give him as much credit as some are for what happened in Tampa given what Frieman accomplished in LA and Bloom's firing at Boston.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Sep 2025 08:27 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 15:47 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 13:09 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 12:13 pm So Bloom and not Friedman put together the scouting and development staff? Friedman put together one of the best scouting and development staff in MLB after the Dodgers hired him.

SM

Bloom was one of the architects behind what is known as "The Rays Way." He helped them pioneer a strategy that allowed them to draft and develop their stars rather than go out and spend big money to sign them. He did the same with the Red Sox after they hired him to take over as Chief Baseball Officer in 2020. SI.com


https://www.si.com/mlb/cardinals/st-lou ... 0in%202020.

The Philadelphia native began working in player development for the Rays as their assistant director of minor league operations in 2008 and is credited with developing “The Rays Way,” a player development plan that has shaped how Tampa Bay has worked with prospects throughout the last decade.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/10 ... ience.html

So yes, it was indeed Bloom and not Friedman who put together first the Rays and then the Sox systems.

Now he's put it into place for the Cardinals, let's hope it's as successful!

Bloom worked for Friedman. Friedman put together one of the best minor league and international scouting and development systems in MLB both and Tampa and Los Angeles. Chaim worked there. In theory learned some things. Didn't work out at Boston for him while LA became much better.

Perhaps Boston was an anomaly and he will turn around the Cardinals but I wouldn't give him as much credit as some are for what happened in Tampa given what Frieman accomplished in LA and Bloom's firing at Boston.

Nope

It was Bloom who put the system in place in TB.

Worked out perfectly in Boston too where the lowest ranked farm system he inherited became one of the best and they're still reaping his rewards.

I get it, you're a hater even before the man has the keys to the POBO.

You're wrong and we all know it.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑27 Sep 2025 12:33 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Sep 2025 08:27 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 15:47 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 13:09 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 12:13 pm So Bloom and not Friedman put together the scouting and development staff? Friedman put together one of the best scouting and development staff in MLB after the Dodgers hired him.

SM

Bloom was one of the architects behind what is known as "The Rays Way." He helped them pioneer a strategy that allowed them to draft and develop their stars rather than go out and spend big money to sign them. He did the same with the Red Sox after they hired him to take over as Chief Baseball Officer in 2020. SI.com


https://www.si.com/mlb/cardinals/st-lou ... 0in%202020.

The Philadelphia native began working in player development for the Rays as their assistant director of minor league operations in 2008 and is credited with developing “The Rays Way,” a player development plan that has shaped how Tampa Bay has worked with prospects throughout the last decade.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/10 ... ience.html

So yes, it was indeed Bloom and not Friedman who put together first the Rays and then the Sox systems.

Now he's put it into place for the Cardinals, let's hope it's as successful!

Bloom worked for Friedman. Friedman put together one of the best minor league and international scouting and development systems in MLB both and Tampa and Los Angeles. Chaim worked there. In theory learned some things. Didn't work out at Boston for him while LA became much better.

Perhaps Boston was an anomaly and he will turn around the Cardinals but I wouldn't give him as much credit as some are for what happened in Tampa given what Frieman accomplished in LA and Bloom's firing at Boston.

Nope

It was Bloom who put the system in place in TB.

Worked out perfectly in Boston too where the lowest ranked farm system he inherited became one of the best and they're still reaping his rewards.

I get it, you're a hater even before the man has the keys to the POBO.

You're wrong and we all know it.

Reminds me of the people defending Mozeliak. Bloom might be fantastic but I'm not willing to stipulate that he did it all by himself when Friedman completely re-worked the Dodgers scouting and development. You think Friedman just got lucky in LA?