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Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 18:00 pm

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 17:23 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 16:21 pm

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 15:38 pm Analytics is simply about:

(1) gathering information
(2) analyzing that information and deciding what lessons can be learned from it and
(3) applying those lessons learned.

That's what is done in just about every walk of life.

But you have to gather the right information, have a system which helps you learn the right lessons, and then know how to apply them.

But those currently in charge of MLB are for the most part NON traditional baseball men. Ivy league PHDs who lack the insight, intuition, and nuance of the game are making the calls. So perhaps if analytics were exclusively in the hand of Whitey, Dunc, TLR they could filter and translate better to the field what works and is critical. Currently it’s a video game

The ability to analyze information and decide what new lessons can be learned from it often comes from non-traditional individuals who can think entirely differently about a problem.

And "baseball men" are still the managers in every MLB dugout.

Would Mo and his in game analytics crew have the same influence on TLR as he has Oli??

Of course, not. That’s why there are a LOT more Oli Marmols than TLRs these days. The days of TLR and Whitey are long gone.

Red7 wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 20:02 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 18:00 pm

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 17:23 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 16:21 pm

mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 15:38 pm Analytics is simply about:

(1) gathering information
(2) analyzing that information and deciding what lessons can be learned from it and
(3) applying those lessons learned.

That's what is done in just about every walk of life.

But you have to gather the right information, have a system which helps you learn the right lessons, and then know how to apply them.

But those currently in charge of MLB are for the most part NON traditional baseball men. Ivy league PHDs who lack the insight, intuition, and nuance of the game are making the calls. So perhaps if analytics were exclusively in the hand of Whitey, Dunc, TLR they could filter and translate better to the field what works and is critical. Currently it’s a video game

The ability to analyze information and decide what new lessons can be learned from it often comes from non-traditional individuals who can think entirely differently about a problem.

And "baseball men" are still the managers in every MLB dugout.

Would Mo and his in game analytics crew have the same influence on TLR as he has Oli??

Of course, not. That’s why there are a LOT more Oli Marmols than TLRs these days. The days of TLR and Whitey are long gone.

+1

Under Marmol the Cardinals have become stagnant on offense. You can argue whether it’s a talent thing or not, but the fact is Marmol does not try to manufacture runs. The Cardinals, like so many other teams these days, sit back and wait for the 3run home run. Problem is, the Cardinals don’t hit very many home runs, especially the 3 run variety! Too many of our hitters won’t take a walk. Oli seldom uses the hit and run, or makes use of the bunt. It’s true that other teams may not use these either, but those teams do hit home runs. I’m just ready for some change, I’ve seen enough of this Cardinal way of playing the game!

Hoosier59 wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 20:14 pm Under Marmol the Cardinals have become stagnant on offense. You can argue whether it’s a talent thing or not, but the fact is Marmol does not try to manufacture runs. The Cardinals, like so many other teams these days, sit back and wait for the 3run home run. Problem is, the Cardinals don’t hit very many home runs, especially the 3 run variety! Too many of our hitters won’t take a walk. Oli seldom uses the hit and run, or makes use of the bunt. It’s true that other teams may not use these either, but those teams do hit home runs. I’m just ready for some change, I’ve seen enough of this Cardinal way of playing the game!

Again, you make the mistake of thinking Oli is a decision MAKER. He is not. Like most MLB managers these days, he is a decision IMPLEMENTER. The Cardinals have very little in terms of small ball because as an organization, they have rejected it. In order to have a running game, you have to have players who can execute it. Whiteyball existed not because of Whitey employing that strategy alone. That’s why he remade the ball team. Outside of Victor Scott, who else is a base stealer? We’ve seen their feeble attempts at bunting with guys who probably NEVER been asked to bunt since, well, never. Hit and run? It takes skill to hit behind the runner (not to mention make contact), again, a skill most Cardinals’ player don’t possess because they weren’t drafted and or/developed to do that.