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Re: Realistic trade chip possibilities

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2ninr wrote: 20 Sep 2025 15:29 pm
casey1024 wrote: 20 Sep 2025 12:22 pm
2ninr wrote: 18 Sep 2025 18:45 pmBurleson
Why???? One of our best hitters
So -that makes him a good trade chip. Perhaps you get some much needed pitching in return.
True, but if the Cardinals were to trade Burleson. Do they have a hitter, like him, in place to replace his consistent offensive production?
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Re: Realistic trade chip possibilities

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Shady wrote: 20 Sep 2025 16:57 pm
2ninr wrote: 20 Sep 2025 15:29 pm
casey1024 wrote: 20 Sep 2025 12:22 pm
2ninr wrote: 18 Sep 2025 18:45 pmBurleson
Why???? One of our best hitters
So -that makes him a good trade chip. Perhaps you get some much needed pitching in return.
True, but if the Cardinals were to trade Burleson. Do they have a hitter, like him, in place to replace his consistent offensive production?
His
consistent offensive production doesn't come with consistent winning. We are entering a rebuild. We need consistent starting pitching. Than we can get consistent offensive production elsewhere. Hopefully some that comes with above average defense.
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Re: Realistic trade chip possibilities

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2ninr wrote: 20 Sep 2025 17:22 pm
Shady wrote: 20 Sep 2025 16:57 pm
2ninr wrote: 20 Sep 2025 15:29 pm
casey1024 wrote: 20 Sep 2025 12:22 pm
2ninr wrote: 18 Sep 2025 18:45 pmBurleson
Why???? One of our best hitters
So -that makes him a good trade chip. Perhaps you get some much needed pitching in return.
True, but if the Cardinals were to trade Burleson. Do they have a hitter, like him, in place to replace his consistent offensive production?
His
consistent offensive production doesn't come with consistent winning. We are entering a rebuild. We need consistent starting pitching. Than we can get consistent offensive production elsewhere. Hopefully some that comes with above average defense.
"Than we can get consistent offensive production elsewhere". Not so sure about that.
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Re: Realistic trade chip possibilities

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Shady wrote: 20 Sep 2025 22:08 pm
2ninr wrote: 20 Sep 2025 17:22 pm
Shady wrote: 20 Sep 2025 16:57 pm
2ninr wrote: 20 Sep 2025 15:29 pm
casey1024 wrote: 20 Sep 2025 12:22 pm
2ninr wrote: 18 Sep 2025 18:45 pmBurleson
Why???? One of our best hitters
So -that makes him a good trade chip. Perhaps you get some much needed pitching in return.
True, but if the Cardinals were to trade Burleson. Do they have a hitter, like him, in place to replace his consistent offensive production?
His
consistent offensive production doesn't come with consistent winning. We are entering a rebuild. We need consistent starting pitching. Than we can get consistent offensive production elsewhere. Hopefully some that comes with above average defense.
"Than we can get consistent offensive production elsewhere". Not so sure about that.
I really like Burleson. Although on a playoff team he fits better as a #5 or #6 hitter.
I would not look to deal him unless he brings back a promising cost controlled pitcher in a package.
The Cards have other LH bats.
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Re: Realistic trade chip possibilities

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Shady wrote: 20 Sep 2025 14:58 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 20 Sep 2025 14:45 pm
Mort Gage wrote: 20 Sep 2025 13:29 pm
casey1024 wrote: 20 Sep 2025 12:22 pm
2ninr wrote: 18 Sep 2025 18:45 pmBurleson
Why???? One of our best hitters
Because he's barely a two bWAR player and may be at his peak. He's dreadfully slow and adds little value on the basepaths or in the field. Find a contender who needs a LH bat and trade him for a higher upside athletic AA outfielder, or pitcher. This team isn't contending next year anyway.
^^^THIS^^^

Burly's trade value may never be higher, get max value for him this offseason.

I'm a fan and he's had a good season, but no one on this current major league roster should be off limits if the return justifies dealing them.
So you are now a "fan" of Burleson after slighting him for a long time? So what return would justify trading Burleson. I've seen a suggestion of trading him for a high upside AA player. Is that really prudent trading a proven hitter like Burleson for an unproven minor leaguer? Burleson is not going anywhere but playing for the St. Louis Cardinals for quite a few seasons in the future. IMO
No

I've always been a fan, just never went overboard like you did.

And like many I've always correctly stated that he's a platoon player who shouldn't be allowed to face LHP (career: .233 .266 .331 .596).

As a stand alone, he could bring back a solid prospect (AA starting pitcher or an OFer) or a #3/4 major league starter (IMO).

At 27 yrs old in a few months w/three yrs of control his trade value would never be higher than it will be this offseason.

I'd 100% deal him if the return justifies it.
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Re: Realistic trade chip possibilities

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rockondlouie wrote: 21 Sep 2025 09:07 am
Shady wrote: 20 Sep 2025 14:58 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 20 Sep 2025 14:45 pm
Mort Gage wrote: 20 Sep 2025 13:29 pm
casey1024 wrote: 20 Sep 2025 12:22 pm
2ninr wrote: 18 Sep 2025 18:45 pmBurleson
Why???? One of our best hitters
Because he's barely a two bWAR player and may be at his peak. He's dreadfully slow and adds little value on the basepaths or in the field. Find a contender who needs a LH bat and trade him for a higher upside athletic AA outfielder, or pitcher. This team isn't contending next year anyway.
^^^THIS^^^

Burly's trade value may never be higher, get max value for him this offseason.

I'm a fan and he's had a good season, but no one on this current major league roster should be off limits if the return justifies dealing them.
So you are now a "fan" of Burleson after slighting him for a long time? So what return would justify trading Burleson. I've seen a suggestion of trading him for a high upside AA player. Is that really prudent trading a proven hitter like Burleson for an unproven minor leaguer? Burleson is not going anywhere but playing for the St. Louis Cardinals for quite a few seasons in the future. IMO
No

I've always been a fan, just never went overboard like you did.

And like many I've always correctly stated that he's a platoon player who shouldn't be allowed to face LHP (career: .233 .266 .331 .596).

As a stand alone, he could bring back a solid prospect (AA starting pitcher or an OFer) or a #3/4 major league starter (IMO).

At 27 yrs old in a few months w/three yrs of control his trade value would never be higher than it will be this offseason.

I'd 100% deal him if the return justifies it.
"I'd 100% deal him if the return justifies it." Please give some players that you would trade Burleson for. Keeping it realistic.
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Re: Realistic trade chip possibilities

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Shady wrote: 21 Sep 2025 11:44 am
rockondlouie wrote: 21 Sep 2025 09:07 am
Shady wrote: 20 Sep 2025 14:58 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 20 Sep 2025 14:45 pm
Mort Gage wrote: 20 Sep 2025 13:29 pm
casey1024 wrote: 20 Sep 2025 12:22 pm
2ninr wrote: 18 Sep 2025 18:45 pmBurleson
Why???? One of our best hitters
Because he's barely a two bWAR player and may be at his peak. He's dreadfully slow and adds little value on the basepaths or in the field. Find a contender who needs a LH bat and trade him for a higher upside athletic AA outfielder, or pitcher. This team isn't contending next year anyway.
^^^THIS^^^

Burly's trade value may never be higher, get max value for him this offseason.

I'm a fan and he's had a good season, but no one on this current major league roster should be off limits if the return justifies dealing them.
So you are now a "fan" of Burleson after slighting him for a long time? So what return would justify trading Burleson. I've seen a suggestion of trading him for a high upside AA player. Is that really prudent trading a proven hitter like Burleson for an unproven minor leaguer? Burleson is not going anywhere but playing for the St. Louis Cardinals for quite a few seasons in the future. IMO
No

I've always been a fan, just never went overboard like you did.

And like many I've always correctly stated that he's a platoon player who shouldn't be allowed to face LHP (career: .233 .266 .331 .596).

As a stand alone, he could bring back a solid prospect (AA starting pitcher or an OFer) or a #3/4 major league starter (IMO).

At 27 yrs old in a few months w/three yrs of control his trade value would never be higher than it will be this offseason.

I'd 100% deal him if the return justifies it.
"I'd 100% deal him if the return justifies it." Please give some players that you would trade Burleson for. Keeping it realistic.
I don't have the info major league front offices do as to who is available so it's foolish to just throw out names.

Once the season ends rumors will start to be published as to who may or may not be available.

Re-visit after the WS.
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Re: Realistic trade chip possibilities

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Not sure how Bloom sees Burleson. But I'd be very surprised if Burleson is dealt going into his prime. More likely traded is Nootbaar. And maybe even Donovan. Donovan may depend on how Bloom sees Wetherholt, Saggese, Walker and Gorman.
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Re: Realistic trade chip possibilities

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Shady wrote: 21 Sep 2025 12:15 pm Not sure how Bloom sees Burleson. But I'd be very surprised if Burleson is dealt going into his prime. More likely traded is Nootbaar. And maybe even Donovan. Donovan may depend on how Bloom sees Wetherholt, Saggese, Walker and Gorman.
Bloom likes guys who put the bat on the ball and that's one of Bumbles great strengths (square-up rate top 6%, low whiff and K rate).

I have to think he like's what he's seen.

That said, on this current roster Bloom has to listen on every player.

If the deal is what he's looking for, then I think he'd deal anyone including Burly or Winn or ??????
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Re: Realistic trade chip possibilities

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Shady wrote: 21 Sep 2025 11:44 am
rockondlouie wrote: 21 Sep 2025 09:07 am
Shady wrote: 20 Sep 2025 14:58 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 20 Sep 2025 14:45 pm
Mort Gage wrote: 20 Sep 2025 13:29 pm
casey1024 wrote: 20 Sep 2025 12:22 pm
2ninr wrote: 18 Sep 2025 18:45 pmBurleson
Why???? One of our best hitters
Because he's barely a two bWAR player and may be at his peak. He's dreadfully slow and adds little value on the basepaths or in the field. Find a contender who needs a LH bat and trade him for a higher upside athletic AA outfielder, or pitcher. This team isn't contending next year anyway.
^^^THIS^^^

Burly's trade value may never be higher, get max value for him this offseason.

I'm a fan and he's had a good season, but no one on this current major league roster should be off limits if the return justifies dealing them.
So you are now a "fan" of Burleson after slighting him for a long time? So what return would justify trading Burleson. I've seen a suggestion of trading him for a high upside AA player. Is that really prudent trading a proven hitter like Burleson for an unproven minor leaguer? Burleson is not going anywhere but playing for the St. Louis Cardinals for quite a few seasons in the future. IMO
No

I've always been a fan, just never went overboard like you did.

And like many I've always correctly stated that he's a platoon player who shouldn't be allowed to face LHP (career: .233 .266 .331 .596).

As a stand alone, he could bring back a solid prospect (AA starting pitcher or an OFer) or a #3/4 major league starter (IMO).

At 27 yrs old in a few months w/three yrs of control his trade value would never be higher than it will be this offseason.

I'd 100% deal him if the return justifies it.
"I'd 100% deal him if the return justifies it." Please give some players that you would trade Burleson for. Keeping it realistic.
Your asking other posters for specific, "realistic" trade proposals is about as rich as it gets.
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