rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 08:46 am
IF the Cardinals can shed at least 50% of NADO's deal, then flipping that money for C. Bellinger/30 yrs old would be a move I'd do on a four year deal.
Bellinger (29 HR/87 RBI/.275 .331 .495 .826 ) plays a solid CF and would bring a MOTO bat and a MASSIVE offensive upgrade at a position that's been near the bottom of MLB for too many years.
It'll NEVER happens since BDWJr isn't going to put more than a few pennies into the 2026 team and won't raise payroll until there's clarity on the new CBA.
The Cardinals would have to eat a lot more than 50% of Arenado's salary in order to trade him. The no trade doesn't help. Arenado will block a ton of teams. I think the Cardinals might be eating 70%-90%. Some people think that he will be released.
I like Bellinger but he would first have to opt out to be a free agent and how many years would he want? The Cardinals aren't going to sign him. Too much money and I think if the Cardinals sign anyone next year it will be for a 1 year deal because of the CBA.
If your first paragraph is true, just keep Arenado and trade Gorman. I’m not convinced he’ll ever be a legit ML player anyway.
IMO it’s senseless to just release or eat 90% of Arenado’s salary just to move him.
Cusecards wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 21:59 pm
The offseason has the potential to go in a number of directions.
Arenado for example creates a domino affect based on whether he stays or goes.
We could certainly use a big bat at corner OF but I see the rotation as being the higher priority!
Personally...I would deal Noot...and I could live with corner OF being handled by some combination of Donovan, Burleson, and Herrera.
I guess you also toss in Walker who still has an option year.
It truly is all intertwined. Predicting offseason trades in September rather difficult, along with
not knowing what the commitment level will be. I expect nothing in that regard with the caveat that
any decrease fan interest may want to be adverted. At the end of the season they will subtract Miles, Matz, Fedde'
Hels, along with at least $5 million from NA salary decrease. Near $50 million. Give Sonny a $10 million
raise and some arbs should still leave some pocket money if they choose to just stay where they are.
The rotation was incredibly healthy this season. Almost impossible to think that will happen again.
That has to be addressed.
I have hesitation on more than 1 of your cOF group being out there at once. Burleson could replace Walker there for a 200 point increase
in OPS and improved defense, IMO, go sign Bellinger who can age to 1B call it a day
Good points on the money coming off the books.
Except hard to predict what the payroll will be as a result of decreased attendance.
New guy in Bloom.
Should be interesting either way!
Indeed.
I absolutely don't have any knowledge.
Attendance IMO, might be a reason to attempt something.
Pocketing $35 million on top of the 2025 cuts could make attendance go even lower.
They are kind of in the middle.
Dwindling attendance lowers revenue but you have to spend somewhere normally to improve.
Personally I don’t see a big FA acquisition.
Not the Cards style anyway and I think the key is to build the farm system which is supposedly Bloom’s strength.
Wetherholt and Doyle look like steps in the right direction.
But how about development at the various levels?
Hopefully Wetherholt brings some excitement?
They need to upgrade the rotation badly.
Fingers crossed on some of the pitching prospects.
I love acquiring pitching through FA but shelling out huge deals with the risk of injury makes me nervous!
rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 08:46 am
IF the Cardinals can shed at least 50% of NADO's deal, then flipping that money for C. Bellinger/30 yrs old would be a move I'd do on a four year deal.
Bellinger (29 HR/87 RBI/.275 .331 .495 .826 ) plays a solid CF and would bring a MOTO bat and a MASSIVE offensive upgrade at a position that's been near the bottom of MLB for too many years.
It'll NEVER happens since BDWJr isn't going to put more than a few pennies into the 2026 team and won't raise payroll until there's clarity on the new CBA.
I was calling for Bellinger BEFORE he re-established himself…..Holliday was working with him and saying good tHingS….that was the time to sign him
But as with everything MO……way behind
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 23:22 pm
I think work Herrea in the OF in ST and sign Joc Pederson.
Why Pederson? Cheap as hell. He’s been DHing the last two years, but there’s no way he finds an mlb contract as a DH.
All other acquisitions are spent on pitching.
I think that you'd have to trade for him and
Pages is out hitting him.
My bad, I forgot he is on a multi-year deal.
He’s hitting .180 this year. Yeah, let’s get this dude! He rakes! lol. lol. lol. lol.
He signed a 2 year $37 million deal with the Rangers. $18.5 million a year! That’s cheap? He has a .610 ops. Do you pull this stuff out of your heinie? Cheap as he’ll? lol. lol. lol.
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 23:22 pm
I think work Herrea in the OF in ST and sign Joc Pederson.
Why Pederson? Cheap as hell. He’s been DHing the last two years, but there’s no way he finds an mlb contract as a DH.
All other acquisitions are spent on pitching.
I think that you'd have to trade for him and
Pages is out hitting him.
My bad, I forgot he is on a multi-year deal.
He’s hitting .180 this year. Yeah, let’s get this dude! He rakes! lol. lol. lol. lol.
He signed a 2 year $37 million deal with the Rangers. $18.5 million a year! That’s cheap? He has a .610 ops. Do you pull this stuff out of your heinie? Cheap as he’ll? lol. lol. lol.
Read the room. We ain’t spending money.
So signing JP for a Corey Dickerson deal wouldn’t be a bad move.
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 23:22 pm
I think work Herrea in the OF in ST and sign Joc Pederson.
Why Pederson? Cheap as hell. He’s been DHing the last two years, but there’s no way he finds an mlb contract as a DH.
All other acquisitions are spent on pitching.
I think that you'd have to trade for him and
Pages is out hitting him.
My bad, I forgot he is on a multi-year deal.
He’s hitting .180 this year. Yeah, let’s get this dude! He rakes! lol. lol. lol. lol.
He signed a 2 year $37 million deal with the Rangers. $18.5 million a year! That’s cheap? He has a .610 ops. Do you pull this stuff out of your heinie? Cheap as he’ll? lol. lol. lol.
Read the room. We ain’t spending money.
So signing JP for a Corey Dickerson deal wouldn’t be a bad move.
Why are fans on this site still trying to play GM when they know this team is not buying for a couple of years at least? This player or this contract all the time being bantied about as if there is valid information of impending spending for the speculation. There is none. This team is ran by bankers, Bankers know stuff long before we peons do. They know a lockout is fast closing in. Why would they commit to any deal beyond 2 years at this point until they know what comes from the lockout? They are already trying to shed the few mid level contracts they have in Gray, Contreras and Arenado knowing they will have to lose money at least on the Arenado deal. They are not going to potentially lose 25mill+ on Arenado then lock in on a 3 to 5 year, 50+ mill deal for a sub par player with a lockout looming. Just not going to happen. Spend your time speculating what low hanging fruit they are going to try to pluck from other teams. I expect to see high potential, under achieving younger players to be brought aka other teams Gormans to bring in some fresh blood and new chemistry as they also realign our own under achievers. That will be your 2026 team.
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 23:22 pm
I think work Herrea in the OF in ST and sign Joc Pederson.
Why Pederson? Cheap as hell. He’s been DHing the last two years, but there’s no way he finds an mlb contract as a DH.
All other acquisitions are spent on pitching.
I think that you'd have to trade for him and
Pages is out hitting him.
My bad, I forgot he is on a multi-year deal.
He’s hitting .180 this year. Yeah, let’s get this dude! He rakes! lol. lol. lol. lol.
He signed a 2 year $37 million deal with the Rangers. $18.5 million a year! That’s cheap? He has a .610 ops. Do you pull this stuff out of your heinie? Cheap as he’ll? lol. lol. lol.
Read the room. We ain’t spending money.
So signing JP for a Corey Dickerson deal wouldn’t be a bad move.
Why are you making this about something else?
You said Joc is cheap. He makes $37.5 million, $18.5 million for this year and next.
You said he’s a FA, he signed a 2 year deal with a third year option last winter. You can’t sign him, he’s already signed.
He’s hitting .180 with a .610 ops. Umm, don’t we already have several of those at ML minimum?
Come on Dude. Admit you don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s okay. The opinion of you on this site is pretty low anyway.
MrPostman01 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 08:55 am
How many tools do these guys have?
Scott has the speed, but no power or average. He fields well, but has a little league throwing arm.
Walker has speed, a shot gun arm, and fields ok. He has zip for power and pathetic average.
Newtbar no power or average. fields ok. arm not great, speed ok. cannoy bring japan's best to cards.
I say goodbye to all 3. A new broom sweeps clean.
Yep.
The hope and pray era should have ended years ago with the OF.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 08:46 am
IF the Cardinals can shed at least 50% of NADO's deal, then flipping that money for C. Bellinger/30 yrs old would be a move I'd do on a four year deal.
Bellinger (29 HR/87 RBI/.275 .331 .495 .826 ) plays a solid CF and would bring a MOTO bat and a MASSIVE offensive upgrade at a position that's been near the bottom of MLB for too many years.
It'll NEVER happens since BDWJr isn't going to put more than a few pennies into the 2026 team and won't raise payroll until there's clarity on the new CBA.
I was calling for Bellinger BEFORE he re-established himself…..Holliday was working with him and saying good tHingS….that was the time to sign him
But as with everything MO……way behind
Yes, He was a divisive get here a couple seasons ago. Even if the same chain of events of selling had occurred
flipping CB had a chance of bringing something back of real value. That path is still there and because of that
a team can give him term that otherwise might create hesitation.1B resume to.
It's not how the Cards have worked though. We may see great value in paying market value on a couple players
and they do not. To buy more certainty in a couple positions means they keep some prospects. Less positions
to battle over, less over reliant on several players coming through and productive players can always be dealt.
I'd go up to 5-6 years and give him a 15 team NTC. He won't want to go to cheap teams and those cheap teams
won't want him. Unfortunately, the Cards are one of those teams right now.
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 23:22 pm
I think work Herrea in the OF in ST and sign Joc Pederson.
Why Pederson? Cheap as hell. He’s been DHing the last two years, but there’s no way he finds an mlb contract as a DH.
All other acquisitions are spent on pitching.
I think that you'd have to trade for him and
Pages is out hitting him.
My bad, I forgot he is on a multi-year deal.
He’s hitting .180 this year. Yeah, let’s get this dude! He rakes! lol. lol. lol. lol.
He signed a 2 year $37 million deal with the Rangers. $18.5 million a year! That’s cheap? He has a .610 ops. Do you pull this stuff out of your heinie? Cheap as he’ll? lol. lol. lol.
Read the room. We ain’t spending money.
So signing JP for a Corey Dickerson deal wouldn’t be a bad move.
Why are you making this about something else?
You said Joc is cheap. He makes $37.5 million, $18.5 million for this year and next.
You said he’s a FA, he signed a 2 year deal with a third year option last winter. You can’t sign him, he’s already signed.
He’s hitting .180 with a .610 ops. Umm, don’t we already have several of those at ML minimum?
Come on Dude. Admit you don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s okay. The opinion of you on this site is pretty low anyway.
You: "You said Joc is cheap."
Me: I did because I forgot he signed a multi-year deal. Your initial reply to me was MY reply stating that I forgot about it.
So not sure why you are beating a dead horse.
You: "He’s hitting .180 with a .610 ops. Umm, don’t we already have several of those at ML minimum?"
Me: Well, keep in mind I was saying the Cards should entertain signing him based on me incorrectly thinking he would be a very cheap FA in 2026.
And you are totally allowed to think a consistent veteran won't bounce back after a horrible season. It's only happened like a million times...
Cusecards wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 21:59 pm
The offseason has the potential to go in a number of directions.
Arenado for example creates a domino affect based on whether he stays or goes.
We could certainly use a big bat at corner OF but I see the rotation as being the higher priority!
Personally...I would deal Noot...and I could live with corner OF being handled by some combination of Donovan, Burleson, and Herrera.
I guess you also toss in Walker who still has an option year.
It truly is all intertwined. Predicting offseason trades in September rather difficult, along with
not knowing what the commitment level will be. I expect nothing in that regard with the caveat that
any decrease fan interest may want to be adverted. At the end of the season they will subtract Miles, Matz, Fedde'
Hels, along with at least $5 million from NA salary decrease. Near $50 million. Give Sonny a $10 million
raise and some arbs should still leave some pocket money if they choose to just stay where they are.
The rotation was incredibly healthy this season. Almost impossible to think that will happen again.
That has to be addressed.
I have hesitation on more than 1 of your cOF group being out there at once. Burleson could replace Walker there for a 200 point increase
in OPS and improved defense, IMO, go sign Bellinger who can age to 1B call it a day
Good points on the money coming off the books.
Except hard to predict what the payroll will be as a result of decreased attendance.
New guy in Bloom.
Should be interesting either way!
Indeed.
I absolutely don't have any knowledge.
Attendance IMO, might be a reason to attempt something.
Pocketing $35 million on top of the 2025 cuts could make attendance go even lower.
They are kind of in the middle.
Dwindling attendance lowers revenue but you have to spend somewhere normally to improve.
Personally I don’t see a big FA acquisition.
Not the Cards style anyway and I think the key is to build the farm system which is supposedly Bloom’s strength.
Wetherholt and Doyle look like steps in the right direction.
But how about development at the various levels?
Hopefully Wetherholt brings some excitement?
They need to upgrade the rotation badly.
Fingers crossed on some of the pitching prospects.
I love acquiring pitching through FA but shelling out huge deals with the risk of injury makes me nervous!
Agree.
Their reaction to poor attendance and fan interest is a unknown
while being the key to the offseason. Very interesting.
Pitching can carry a team pretty far. Usually there is a need
for 7 or so SP's. Unsure this Cards farm provides more than 1 or 2.
Bloom will make some moves that fail. Nature of the beast in predicting
future production. Hopefully he has the Midas touch long enough to
get the pipeline full, maybe long enough to get a second contract.
You miss on a hire, say "my bad" and move on. Can't be paralyzed by it.
