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Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
Posted: 17 Sep 2025 12:54 pm
by BrummerStealsHome
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 16:09 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:35 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 14:38 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:31 am
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am
With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .
Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.
It would be great to see the Cardinals make a successful run at .500. It would send the club into the offseason on a high, and an added air of confidence going into ST. Could someone kidnap Fernandez please?
They played above their station in May, going 19-8. It left them statistically tied for the 2nd WC spot. And they went from 8 above .500 on 5/31 to 5 below it as of last night.
They went 15-11 last September, posting their best winning % of the season, by month, to finish 4 games above .500. And they're going to have a worse record in 2025.
I don't see the "high" at work in any of this.
None of that is relavent to the present. As of 9/16/25, finishing the season with a flourish to achieve .500 would provide a psychological high to the organization, going into the offseason.
Lol..
None of it's relevant because it doesn't square with your present-day [nonsense].
I live in the present day and cannot change the past. Call that nonsense all you want.
Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
Posted: 17 Sep 2025 12:59 pm
by Stlcardsblues
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 06:17 am
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 22:37 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 21:25 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 21:11 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:32 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:57 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:12 am
The franchise guaranteed a losing season on July 31.
Better get some pitching between now and April 2026.
Was the July 31 decision really a bad one? What does the team gain winning 83 games and missing the playoffs then losing the pitchers to free agency for little to nothing?
A .500 team throwing in the towel with 2 months left in the season. Mr Bloom brings that East coast mentality to St Louis. Perhaps he will impress in the off season but at the moment show me.
Any fan grounded in reality and not living hoping for a miracle run clearly saw this team never had a chance at a World Series title. Being a seller over a buyer was the correct move.
As far as the off season goes, there is nothing Bloom can do this offseason to correct all the issues. What he can do is start to correct some of the issues and start to win back the trust of a fan base who has been run off by Mo and DeWitt.
I know it’s not fun, but there are times a team has to seriously look at where it stands and take the painful approach of selling to fix issues.
First you make the playoffs. If Bloom is going to quit on the fans that easily he could crater this franchise and take years to rebuild.
Ownership quit on the team last off season. You are looking for them to live off hopes and prayers of making the playoffs through a miracle run.
They need to fix this so that they are serious contenders not living off hope of a miracle run.
Your approach would set this team back into a longer rebuild and still miss the playoffs.
You have to come to grips with the new reality of a poor TV deal and declining fan interest. Making the playoffs and going on a run isn't bad given this dynamic.
Completely disagree. Want to win fans back, show them you are serious about building a true contender. Trying to make the last wildcard with no real hope of competing if you make the playoffs isn’t winning fans back.
Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
Posted: 17 Sep 2025 13:20 pm
by ScotchMIrish
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 12:59 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 06:17 am
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 22:37 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 21:25 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 21:11 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:32 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:57 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:12 am
The franchise guaranteed a losing season on July 31.
Better get some pitching between now and April 2026.
Was the July 31 decision really a bad one? What does the team gain winning 83 games and missing the playoffs then losing the pitchers to free agency for little to nothing?
A .500 team throwing in the towel with 2 months left in the season. Mr Bloom brings that East coast mentality to St Louis. Perhaps he will impress in the off season but at the moment show me.
Any fan grounded in reality and not living hoping for a miracle run clearly saw this team never had a chance at a World Series title. Being a seller over a buyer was the correct move.
As far as the off season goes, there is nothing Bloom can do this offseason to correct all the issues. What he can do is start to correct some of the issues and start to win back the trust of a fan base who has been run off by Mo and DeWitt.
I know it’s not fun, but there are times a team has to seriously look at where it stands and take the painful approach of selling to fix issues.
First you make the playoffs. If Bloom is going to quit on the fans that easily he could crater this franchise and take years to rebuild.
Ownership quit on the team last off season. You are looking for them to live off hopes and prayers of making the playoffs through a miracle run.
They need to fix this so that they are serious contenders not living off hope of a miracle run.
Your approach would set this team back into a longer rebuild and still miss the playoffs.
You have to come to grips with the new reality of a poor TV deal and declining fan interest. Making the playoffs and going on a run isn't bad given this dynamic.
Completely disagree. Want to win fans back, show them you are serious about building a true contender. Trying to make the last wildcard with no real hope of competing if you make the playoffs isn’t winning fans back.
The way to bring back the fans is to quit on the fans in late July with the team in contention?
Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
Posted: 17 Sep 2025 14:25 pm
by RunSup
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am
With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .
Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.
... and unfortunately it'd be better if they went 3-8 the rest of the way just to ensure better draft position in 2026.
Since that's rooting for them to lose, I've just stopped watching every night.
I did see Nolan Arenado make a smooth play at 3B to seal the game the other night. Like a cool breeze in summer. Nice. If he could just add 125 points to his OPS, nobody would complain. It's a tall ask.
Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
Posted: 17 Sep 2025 14:59 pm
by Imperial Capitalist
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 12:54 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 16:09 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:35 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 14:38 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:31 am
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am
With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .
Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.
It would be great to see the Cardinals make a successful run at .500. It would send the club into the offseason on a high, and an added air of confidence going into ST. Could someone kidnap Fernandez please?
They played above their station in May, going 19-8. It left them statistically tied for the 2nd WC spot. And they went from 8 above .500 on 5/31 to 5 below it as of last night.
They went 15-11 last September, posting their best winning % of the season, by month, to finish 4 games above .500. And they're going to have a worse record in 2025.
I don't see the "high" at work in any of this.
None of that is relavent to the present. As of 9/16/25, finishing the season with a flourish to achieve .500 would provide a psychological high to the organization, going into the offseason.
Lol..
None of it's relevant because it doesn't square with your present-day [nonsense].
I live in the present day and cannot change the past. Call that nonsense all you want.
You were more than displeased a year ago when 2024's version of this thread had a few posters advocating that the team's position would be improved by losing out (chasing a better drafting position). In response, you lectured everyone on the competitive nature of sports.
This "finishing on a high and going for .500" is just your reboot of that, absent the lecture --- at least thus far.
Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
Posted: 17 Sep 2025 16:44 pm
by Stlcardsblues
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 13:20 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 12:59 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 06:17 am
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 22:37 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 21:25 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 21:11 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:32 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:57 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:12 am
The franchise guaranteed a losing season on July 31.
Better get some pitching between now and April 2026.
Was the July 31 decision really a bad one? What does the team gain winning 83 games and missing the playoffs then losing the pitchers to free agency for little to nothing?
A .500 team throwing in the towel with 2 months left in the season. Mr Bloom brings that East coast mentality to St Louis. Perhaps he will impress in the off season but at the moment show me.
Any fan grounded in reality and not living hoping for a miracle run clearly saw this team never had a chance at a World Series title. Being a seller over a buyer was the correct move.
As far as the off season goes, there is nothing Bloom can do this offseason to correct all the issues. What he can do is start to correct some of the issues and start to win back the trust of a fan base who has been run off by Mo and DeWitt.
I know it’s not fun, but there are times a team has to seriously look at where it stands and take the painful approach of selling to fix issues.
First you make the playoffs. If Bloom is going to quit on the fans that easily he could crater this franchise and take years to rebuild.
Ownership quit on the team last off season. You are looking for them to live off hopes and prayers of making the playoffs through a miracle run.
They need to fix this so that they are serious contenders not living off hope of a miracle run.
Your approach would set this team back into a longer rebuild and still miss the playoffs.
You have to come to grips with the new reality of a poor TV deal and declining fan interest. Making the playoffs and going on a run isn't bad given this dynamic.
Completely disagree. Want to win fans back, show them you are serious about building a true contender. Trying to make the last wildcard with no real hope of competing if you make the playoffs isn’t winning fans back.
The way to bring back the fans is to quit on the fans in late July with the team in contention?
Attendance was terrible in late July while school was out, what makes you think trying to snag the last wildcard spot was going to generate serious interest? This fanbase isn’t going to show serious interest until they are contenders for the division and World Series. The fan base is fed up with trying to sneak in with no legitimate shot at a long run (hoping for a miracle run is not the same thing). They want to see the organization develop and/or trade for/sign star power, not pick up a depth reliever or depth outfielder at the deadline. Pulling off a Fedde/Pham style trade was not bringing back fans.
The issues go far deeper than fans not showing up because Helsley was traded. Most of this board wanted him traded at the trade deadline in 24 and again in the offseason.
The way to bring back fans is to develop a solid young core then add to it with players from outside of the organization. It’s going to take 2-3 years of fixing damage before they win back fans.
There was only one path to get serious crowds at Busch at the trade deadline. That would have required renting three dunk tanks and the offer for fans to purchase balls to benefit charity and allowing the fans to try to dunk DeWitt, Mo and Marmol in the tanks.
Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
Posted: 17 Sep 2025 17:00 pm
by icon
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 16:44 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 13:20 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 12:59 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 06:17 am
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 22:37 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 21:25 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 21:11 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:32 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:57 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:12 am
The franchise guaranteed a losing season on July 31.
Better get some pitching between now and April 2026.
Was the July 31 decision really a bad one? What does the team gain winning 83 games and missing the playoffs then losing the pitchers to free agency for little to nothing?
A .500 team throwing in the towel with 2 months left in the season. Mr Bloom brings that East coast mentality to St Louis. Perhaps he will impress in the off season but at the moment show me.
Any fan grounded in reality and not living hoping for a miracle run clearly saw this team never had a chance at a World Series title. Being a seller over a buyer was the correct move.
As far as the off season goes, there is nothing Bloom can do this offseason to correct all the issues. What he can do is start to correct some of the issues and start to win back the trust of a fan base who has been run off by Mo and DeWitt.
I know it’s not fun, but there are times a team has to seriously look at where it stands and take the painful approach of selling to fix issues.
First you make the playoffs. If Bloom is going to quit on the fans that easily he could crater this franchise and take years to rebuild.
Ownership quit on the team last off season. You are looking for them to live off hopes and prayers of making the playoffs through a miracle run.
They need to fix this so that they are serious contenders not living off hope of a miracle run.
Your approach would set this team back into a longer rebuild and still miss the playoffs.
You have to come to grips with the new reality of a poor TV deal and declining fan interest. Making the playoffs and going on a run isn't bad given this dynamic.
Completely disagree. Want to win fans back, show them you are serious about building a true contender. Trying to make the last wildcard with no real hope of competing if you make the playoffs isn’t winning fans back.
The way to bring back the fans is to quit on the fans in late July with the team in contention?
Attendance was terrible in late July while school was out, what makes you think trying to snag the last wildcard spot was going to generate serious interest? This fanbase isn’t going to show serious interest until they are contenders for the division and World Series. The fan base is fed up with trying to sneak in with no legitimate shot at a long run (hoping for a miracle run is not the same thing). They want to see the organization develop and/or trade for/sign star power, not pick up a depth reliever or depth outfielder at the deadline. Pulling off a Fedde/Pham style trade was not bringing back fans.
The issues go far deeper than fans not showing up because Helsley was traded. Most of this board wanted him traded at the trade deadline in 24 and again in the offseason.
The way to bring back fans is to develop a solid young core then add to it with players from outside of the organization. It’s going to take 2-3 years of fixing damage before they win back fans.
There was only one path to get serious crowds at Busch at the trade deadline. That would have required renting three dunk tanks and the offer for fans to purchase balls to benefit charity and allowing the fans to try to dunk
DeWitt, Mo and Marmol in the tanks.
You could add Triple Sticks to that list.
Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
Posted: 17 Sep 2025 20:49 pm
by BrummerStealsHome
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 14:59 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 12:54 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 16:09 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:35 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 14:38 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:31 am
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am
With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .
Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.
It would be great to see the Cardinals make a successful run at .500. It would send the club into the offseason on a high, and an added air of confidence going into ST. Could someone kidnap Fernandez please?
They played above their station in May, going 19-8. It left them statistically tied for the 2nd WC spot. And they went from 8 above .500 on 5/31 to 5 below it as of last night.
They went 15-11 last September, posting their best winning % of the season, by month, to finish 4 games above .500. And they're going to have a worse record in 2025.
I don't see the "high" at work in any of this.
None of that is relavent to the present. As of 9/16/25, finishing the season with a flourish to achieve .500 would provide a psychological high to the organization, going into the offseason.
Lol..
None of it's relevant because it doesn't square with your present-day [nonsense].
I live in the present day and cannot change the past. Call that nonsense all you want.
You were more than displeased a year ago when 2024's version of this thread had a few posters advocating that the team's position would be improved by losing out (chasing a better drafting position). In response, you lectured everyone on the competitive nature of sports.
This "finishing on a high and going for .500" is just your reboot of that, absent the lecture --- at least thus far.
If you remember that it must have left a mark. And I'll repeat what I'm sure I said last year.
You play to win the game. I have no respect for the man who believes otherwise.
Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
Posted: 17 Sep 2025 20:52 pm
by butsir01
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 20:49 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 14:59 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 12:54 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 16:09 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:35 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 14:38 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:31 am
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am
With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .
Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.
It would be great to see the Cardinals make a successful run at .500. It would send the club into the offseason on a high, and an added air of confidence going into ST. Could someone kidnap Fernandez please?
They played above their station in May, going 19-8. It left them statistically tied for the 2nd WC spot. And they went from 8 above .500 on 5/31 to 5 below it as of last night.
They went 15-11 last September, posting their best winning % of the season, by month, to finish 4 games above .500. And they're going to have a worse record in 2025.
I don't see the "high" at work in any of this.
None of that is relavent to the present. As of 9/16/25, finishing the season with a flourish to achieve .500 would provide a psychological high to the organization, going into the offseason.
Lol..
None of it's relevant because it doesn't square with your present-day [nonsense].
I live in the present day and cannot change the past. Call that nonsense all you want.
You were more than displeased a year ago when 2024's version of this thread had a few posters advocating that the team's position would be improved by losing out (chasing a better drafting position). In response, you lectured everyone on the competitive nature of sports.
This "finishing on a high and going for .500" is just your reboot of that, absent the lecture --- at least thus far.
If you remember that it must have left a mark. And I'll repeat what I'm sure I said last year.
You play to win the game. I have no respect for the man who believes otherwise.
You play to win the game.
Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
Posted: 17 Sep 2025 21:25 pm
by ScotchMIrish
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 16:44 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 13:20 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 12:59 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 06:17 am
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 22:37 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 21:25 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 21:11 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:32 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:57 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:12 am
The franchise guaranteed a losing season on July 31.
Better get some pitching between now and April 2026.
Was the July 31 decision really a bad one? What does the team gain winning 83 games and missing the playoffs then losing the pitchers to free agency for little to nothing?
A .500 team throwing in the towel with 2 months left in the season. Mr Bloom brings that East coast mentality to St Louis. Perhaps he will impress in the off season but at the moment show me.
Any fan grounded in reality and not living hoping for a miracle run clearly saw this team never had a chance at a World Series title. Being a seller over a buyer was the correct move.
As far as the off season goes, there is nothing Bloom can do this offseason to correct all the issues. What he can do is start to correct some of the issues and start to win back the trust of a fan base who has been run off by Mo and DeWitt.
I know it’s not fun, but there are times a team has to seriously look at where it stands and take the painful approach of selling to fix issues.
First you make the playoffs. If Bloom is going to quit on the fans that easily he could crater this franchise and take years to rebuild.
Ownership quit on the team last off season. You are looking for them to live off hopes and prayers of making the playoffs through a miracle run.
They need to fix this so that they are serious contenders not living off hope of a miracle run.
Your approach would set this team back into a longer rebuild and still miss the playoffs.
You have to come to grips with the new reality of a poor TV deal and declining fan interest. Making the playoffs and going on a run isn't bad given this dynamic.
Completely disagree. Want to win fans back, show them you are serious about building a true contender. Trying to make the last wildcard with no real hope of competing if you make the playoffs isn’t winning fans back.
The way to bring back the fans is to quit on the fans in late July with the team in contention?
Attendance was terrible in late July while school was out, what makes you think trying to snag the last wildcard spot was going to generate serious interest? This fanbase isn’t going to show serious interest until they are contenders for the division and World Series. The fan base is fed up with trying to sneak in with no legitimate shot at a long run (hoping for a miracle run is not the same thing). They want to see the organization develop and/or trade for/sign star power, not pick up a depth reliever or depth outfielder at the deadline. Pulling off a Fedde/Pham style trade was not bringing back fans.
The issues go far deeper than fans not showing up because Helsley was traded. Most of this board wanted him traded at the trade deadline in 24 and again in the offseason.
The way to bring back fans is to develop a solid young core then add to it with players from outside of the organization. It’s going to take 2-3 years of fixing damage before they win back fans.
There was only one path to get serious crowds at Busch at the trade deadline. That would have required renting three dunk tanks and the offer for fans to purchase balls to benefit charity and allowing the fans to try to dunk DeWitt, Mo and Marmol in the tanks.
When you alienate fans they tend to find other things to do and move on. Late July was an obvious dump and rebuild but I look for him to add pitching during the winter. We could contend for a wild card in 2026 if the makes a few good moves.
Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
Posted: 17 Sep 2025 22:11 pm
by icon
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 20:49 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 14:59 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 12:54 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 16:09 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:35 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 14:38 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:31 am
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am
With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .
Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.
It would be great to see the Cardinals make a successful run at .500. It would send the club into the offseason on a high, and an added air of confidence going into ST. Could someone kidnap Fernandez please?
They played above their station in May, going 19-8. It left them statistically tied for the 2nd WC spot. And they went from 8 above .500 on 5/31 to 5 below it as of last night.
They went 15-11 last September, posting their best winning % of the season, by month, to finish 4 games above .500. And they're going to have a worse record in 2025.
I don't see the "high" at work in any of this.
None of that is relavent to the present. As of 9/16/25, finishing the season with a flourish to achieve .500 would provide a psychological high to the organization, going into the offseason.
Lol..
None of it's relevant because it doesn't square with your present-day [nonsense].
I live in the present day and cannot change the past. Call that nonsense all you want.
You were more than displeased a year ago when 2024's version of this thread had a few posters advocating that the team's position would be improved by losing out (chasing a better drafting position). In response, you lectured everyone on the competitive nature of sports.
This "finishing on a high and going for .500" is just your reboot of that, absent the lecture --- at least thus far.
If you remember that it must have left a mark. And I'll repeat what I'm sure I said last year.
You play to win the game. I have no respect for the man who believes otherwise.
Totally agree, but when you have a POBO with messaging that he doesn't want his manager to feel pressure to win...well, it's no surprise that it trickles down to many fans but for far different reasons. They want Bloom to clean house and with it that attitude. And losing now could help make that come true.
Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
Posted: 18 Sep 2025 00:03 am
by dugoutrex
icon wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 22:11 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 20:49 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 14:59 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 12:54 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 16:09 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:35 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 14:38 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:31 am
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am
With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .
Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.
It would be great to see the Cardinals make a successful run at .500. It would send the club into the offseason on a high, and an added air of confidence going into ST. Could someone kidnap Fernandez please?
They played above their station in May, going 19-8. It left them statistically tied for the 2nd WC spot. And they went from 8 above .500 on 5/31 to 5 below it as of last night.
They went 15-11 last September, posting their best winning % of the season, by month, to finish 4 games above .500. And they're going to have a worse record in 2025.
I don't see the "high" at work in any of this.
None of that is relavent to the present. As of 9/16/25, finishing the season with a flourish to achieve .500 would provide a psychological high to the organization, going into the offseason.
Lol..
None of it's relevant because it doesn't square with your present-day [nonsense].
I live in the present day and cannot change the past. Call that nonsense all you want.
You were more than displeased a year ago when 2024's version of this thread had a few posters advocating that the team's position would be improved by losing out (chasing a better drafting position). In response, you lectured everyone on the competitive nature of sports.
This "finishing on a high and going for .500" is just your reboot of that, absent the lecture --- at least thus far.
If you remember that it must have left a mark. And I'll repeat what I'm sure I said last year.
You play to win the game. I have no respect for the man who believes otherwise.
Totally agree, but when you have a POBO with messaging that he doesn't want his manager to feel pressure to win...well, it's no surprise that it trickles down to many fans but for far different reasons. They want Bloom to clean house and with it that attitude. And losing now could help make that come true.
but High Em is a big fan of Oli so he gets to stay!
Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
Posted: 18 Sep 2025 05:38 am
by Imperial Capitalist
icon wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 22:11 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 20:49 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 14:59 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 12:54 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 16:09 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:35 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 14:38 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:31 am
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am
With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .
Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.
It would be great to see the Cardinals make a successful run at .500. It would send the club into the offseason on a high, and an added air of confidence going into ST. Could someone kidnap Fernandez please?
They played above their station in May, going 19-8. It left them statistically tied for the 2nd WC spot. And they went from 8 above .500 on 5/31 to 5 below it as of last night.
They went 15-11 last September, posting their best winning % of the season, by month, to finish 4 games above .500. And they're going to have a worse record in 2025.
I don't see the "high" at work in any of this.
None of that is relavent to the present. As of 9/16/25, finishing the season with a flourish to achieve .500 would provide a psychological high to the organization, going into the offseason.
Lol..
None of it's relevant because it doesn't square with your present-day [nonsense].
I live in the present day and cannot change the past. Call that nonsense all you want.
You were more than displeased a year ago when 2024's version of this thread had a few posters advocating that the team's position would be improved by losing out (chasing a better drafting position). In response, you lectured everyone on the competitive nature of sports.
This "finishing on a high and going for .500" is just your reboot of that, absent the lecture --- at least thus far.
If you remember that it must have left a mark. And I'll repeat what I'm sure I said last year.
You play to win the game. I have no respect for the man who believes otherwise.
Totally agree, but when you have a POBO with messaging that he doesn't want his manager to feel pressure to win...well, it's no surprise that it trickles down to many fans but for far different reasons. They want Bloom to clean house and with it that attitude. And losing now could help make that come true.
+1
As ugly as it would look, a losing streak now might help dislodge a horrible manager that otherwise seems to have the inside track on keeping his job in 26.
And, if other teams ahead of us in the process 'out win' us in the closing days, it stands to give us a better draft lottery pick.
It's not about wanting to lose, buut if it happens...
Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
Posted: 18 Sep 2025 05:56 am
by Stlcardsblues
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 21:25 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 16:44 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 13:20 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 12:59 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 06:17 am
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 22:37 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 21:25 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 21:11 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:32 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:57 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:12 am
The franchise guaranteed a losing season on July 31.
Better get some pitching between now and April 2026.
Was the July 31 decision really a bad one? What does the team gain winning 83 games and missing the playoffs then losing the pitchers to free agency for little to nothing?
A .500 team throwing in the towel with 2 months left in the season. Mr Bloom brings that East coast mentality to St Louis. Perhaps he will impress in the off season but at the moment show me.
Any fan grounded in reality and not living hoping for a miracle run clearly saw this team never had a chance at a World Series title. Being a seller over a buyer was the correct move.
As far as the off season goes, there is nothing Bloom can do this offseason to correct all the issues. What he can do is start to correct some of the issues and start to win back the trust of a fan base who has been run off by Mo and DeWitt.
I know it’s not fun, but there are times a team has to seriously look at where it stands and take the painful approach of selling to fix issues.
First you make the playoffs. If Bloom is going to quit on the fans that easily he could crater this franchise and take years to rebuild.
Ownership quit on the team last off season. You are looking for them to live off hopes and prayers of making the playoffs through a miracle run.
They need to fix this so that they are serious contenders not living off hope of a miracle run.
Your approach would set this team back into a longer rebuild and still miss the playoffs.
You have to come to grips with the new reality of a poor TV deal and declining fan interest. Making the playoffs and going on a run isn't bad given this dynamic.
Completely disagree. Want to win fans back, show them you are serious about building a true contender. Trying to make the last wildcard with no real hope of competing if you make the playoffs isn’t winning fans back.
The way to bring back the fans is to quit on the fans in late July with the team in contention?
Attendance was terrible in late July while school was out, what makes you think trying to snag the last wildcard spot was going to generate serious interest? This fanbase isn’t going to show serious interest until they are contenders for the division and World Series. The fan base is fed up with trying to sneak in with no legitimate shot at a long run (hoping for a miracle run is not the same thing). They want to see the organization develop and/or trade for/sign star power, not pick up a depth reliever or depth outfielder at the deadline. Pulling off a Fedde/Pham style trade was not bringing back fans.
The issues go far deeper than fans not showing up because Helsley was traded. Most of this board wanted him traded at the trade deadline in 24 and again in the offseason.
The way to bring back fans is to develop a solid young core then add to it with players from outside of the organization. It’s going to take 2-3 years of fixing damage before they win back fans.
There was only one path to get serious crowds at Busch at the trade deadline. That would have required renting three dunk tanks and the offer for fans to purchase balls to benefit charity and allowing the fans to try to dunk DeWitt, Mo and Marmol in the tanks.
When you alienate fans they tend to find other things to do and move on. Late July was an obvious dump and rebuild but I look for him to add pitching during the winter. We could contend for a wild card in 2026 if the makes a few good moves.
I agree Bloom could flip this quick if he wasn’t tied down by DeWitts limitations. This is going to be a lengthy rebuild as DeWitt will not allow payroll to flip it quick.
The ownership and front office missed a massive chance to start winning fans back. I agreed with not calling up Wetherholt when it would have impacted service time. Once that window closed, Wetherholt should have been called up not Fermin. It would have been a small jester to fans to get some excitement back.
Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
Posted: 18 Sep 2025 06:04 am
by alw80
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 20:49 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 14:59 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 12:54 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 16:09 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:35 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 14:38 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:31 am
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am
With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .
Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.
It would be great to see the Cardinals make a successful run at .500. It would send the club into the offseason on a high, and an added air of confidence going into ST. Could someone kidnap Fernandez please?
They played above their station in May, going 19-8. It left them statistically tied for the 2nd WC spot. And they went from 8 above .500 on 5/31 to 5 below it as of last night.
They went 15-11 last September, posting their best winning % of the season, by month, to finish 4 games above .500. And they're going to have a worse record in 2025.
I don't see the "high" at work in any of this.
None of that is relavent to the present. As of 9/16/25, finishing the season with a flourish to achieve .500 would provide a psychological high to the organization, going into the offseason.
Lol..
None of it's relevant because it doesn't square with your present-day [nonsense].
I live in the present day and cannot change the past. Call that nonsense all you want.
You were more than displeased a year ago when 2024's version of this thread had a few posters advocating that the team's position would be improved by losing out (chasing a better drafting position). In response, you lectured everyone on the competitive nature of sports.
This "finishing on a high and going for .500" is just your reboot of that, absent the lecture --- at least thus far.
If you remember that it must have left a mark. And I'll repeat what I'm sure I said last year.
You play to win the game. I have no respect for the man who believes otherwise.
You would absolutely love the Chicago Bulls.
Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
Posted: 18 Sep 2025 08:27 am
by BrummerStealsHome
alw80 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 06:04 am
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 20:49 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 14:59 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 12:54 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 16:09 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:35 pm
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 14:38 pm
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:31 am
ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am
With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .
Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.
It would be great to see the Cardinals make a successful run at .500. It would send the club into the offseason on a high, and an added air of confidence going into ST. Could someone kidnap Fernandez please?
They played above their station in May, going 19-8. It left them statistically tied for the 2nd WC spot. And they went from 8 above .500 on 5/31 to 5 below it as of last night.
They went 15-11 last September, posting their best winning % of the season, by month, to finish 4 games above .500. And they're going to have a worse record in 2025.
I don't see the "high" at work in any of this.
None of that is relavent to the present. As of 9/16/25, finishing the season with a flourish to achieve .500 would provide a psychological high to the organization, going into the offseason.
Lol..
None of it's relevant because it doesn't square with your present-day [nonsense].
I live in the present day and cannot change the past. Call that nonsense all you want.
You were more than displeased a year ago when 2024's version of this thread had a few posters advocating that the team's position would be improved by losing out (chasing a better drafting position). In response, you lectured everyone on the competitive nature of sports.
This "finishing on a high and going for .500" is just your reboot of that, absent the lecture --- at least thus far.
If you remember that it must have left a mark. And I'll repeat what I'm sure I said last year.
You play to win the game. I have no respect for the man who believes otherwise.
You would absolutely love the Chicago Bulls.
Showing once again you don't know jack about anything. I loathe the NBA.