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Re: As poor as this season has been
Posted: 16 Sep 2025 05:48 am
by alw80
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 20:03 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 13:09 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 13:05 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 12:20 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 08:39 am
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 07:33 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 06:28 am
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 20:06 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 08:05 am
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 00:54 am
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2025 19:02 pm
kyace wrote: ↑13 Sep 2025 18:57 pm
Lost 8 straight. The Giants who sold at the deadline now has the last playoff spot. 84 wins might get it. Shame that the team couldn’t have played better.
Makes one wonder if they regret some of their decisions now, seeing how things are shaping out. Maybe they wish they would have at least tried ?
The Giants or Cardinals regret their decisions? What decisions are the cardinals regretting that happened in season?
I was referring to how they sold off relief pitching at the trade deadline, but didn’t do anything to strengthen the 2025 roster. There were some obvious holes in the lineup and starting pitching and they just ignored those. One good hitter and one good starter might have made a difference in the few games we are back in the wild card. Plus the message that was sent to the team, you know, the one that said, we aren’t really trying to win? Also not bringing up JJ when Donovan and Arenado went down with injuries.
If the Cardinals would have just tried to” a little “ they’d probably be in the wild card.
Wasting prospects to add to this team at the deadline would have been a massive mistake. They should have traded Romero and some of the bats.
Pittsburgh Pirates model for success.
The Pirates trade away good young players so they don't have to pay them. When have the Cardinals done this?
I believe that was the rationale for trading Helsley was it not? Adolis Garcia was traded for cash considerations. He hit 39 HR 107 RBI for 2023 world series champions. Not even the Pirates would dump in late July with the team in playoff contention.
No, it wasn't.
Helsley is a pending free agent. Couldn't afford to re-sign him.
No, signing him makes no sense when you're rebuilding.
I agree. Selling Adolis Garcia for cash considerations made sense?
That was just Mo being bad at roster management. Not the same as selling a young player for prospects because you won't pay what it takes to keep them. Try and stay on topic.
Re: As poor as this season has been
Posted: 16 Sep 2025 05:49 am
by alw80
Chitownredbird wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 22:36 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 07:33 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 06:28 am
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 20:06 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 08:05 am
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 00:54 am
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2025 19:02 pm
kyace wrote: ↑13 Sep 2025 18:57 pm
Bushiro wrote: ↑13 Sep 2025 15:41 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 21:49 pm
I'll miss baseball when it's over. Looking forward to February when pitchers and catchers report. No looking forward to the winter between now and then.
The Mets have literally been trying to give the 3rd wild card spot to 1 of 4 teams and nobody wants it
Lost 8 straight. The Giants who sold at the deadline now has the last playoff spot. 84 wins might get it. Shame that the team couldn’t have played better.
Makes one wonder if they regret some of their decisions now, seeing how things are shaping out. Maybe they wish they would have at least tried ?
The Giants or Cardinals regret their decisions? What decisions are the cardinals regretting that happened in season?
I was referring to how they sold off relief pitching at the trade deadline, but didn’t do anything to strengthen the 2025 roster. There were some obvious holes in the lineup and starting pitching and they just ignored those. One good hitter and one good starter might have made a difference in the few games we are back in the wild card. Plus the message that was sent to the team, you know, the one that said, we aren’t really trying to win? Also not bringing up JJ when Donovan and Arenado went down with injuries.
If the Cardinals would have just tried to” a little “ they’d probably be in the wild card.
Wasting prospects to add to this team at the deadline would have been a massive mistake. They should have traded Romero and some of the bats.
Pittsburgh Pirates model for success.
The Pirates trade away good young players so they don't have to pay them. When have the Cardinals done this?
Carlton, Reuss.
Has nothing to do with the current ownership and FO of the Cardinals.
Re: As poor as this season has been
Posted: 16 Sep 2025 08:00 am
by ScotchMIrish
alw80 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 05:48 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 20:03 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 13:09 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 13:05 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 12:20 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 08:39 am
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 07:33 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 06:28 am
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 20:06 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 08:05 am
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 00:54 am
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2025 19:02 pm
Makes one wonder if they regret some of their decisions now, seeing how things are shaping out. Maybe they wish they would have at least tried ?
The Giants or Cardinals regret their decisions? What decisions are the cardinals regretting that happened in season?
I was referring to how they sold off relief pitching at the trade deadline, but didn’t do anything to strengthen the 2025 roster. There were some obvious holes in the lineup and starting pitching and they just ignored those. One good hitter and one good starter might have made a difference in the few games we are back in the wild card. Plus the message that was sent to the team, you know, the one that said, we aren’t really trying to win? Also not bringing up JJ when Donovan and Arenado went down with injuries.
If the Cardinals would have just tried to” a little “ they’d probably be in the wild card.
Wasting prospects to add to this team at the deadline would have been a massive mistake. They should have traded Romero and some of the bats.
Pittsburgh Pirates model for success.
The Pirates trade away good young players so they don't have to pay them. When have the Cardinals done this?
I believe that was the rationale for trading Helsley was it not? Adolis Garcia was traded for cash considerations. He hit 39 HR 107 RBI for 2023 world series champions. Not even the Pirates would dump in late July with the team in playoff contention.
No, it wasn't.
Helsley is a pending free agent. Couldn't afford to re-sign him.
No, signing him makes no sense when you're rebuilding.
I agree. Selling Adolis Garcia for cash considerations made sense?
That was just Mo being bad at roster management. Not the same as selling a young player for prospects because you won't pay what it takes to keep them. Try and stay on topic.
Who was "sold for prospects"? The Cardinals traded 3 good veterans for prospects. Same thing the pirates do all the time. They sold a future star. Not even the pirates do that.
Re: As poor as this season has been
Posted: 16 Sep 2025 08:18 am
by alw80
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:00 am
alw80 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 05:48 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 20:03 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 13:09 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 13:05 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 12:20 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 08:39 am
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 07:33 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 06:28 am
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 20:06 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 08:05 am
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 00:54 am
The Giants or Cardinals regret their decisions? What decisions are the cardinals regretting that happened in season?
I was referring to how they sold off relief pitching at the trade deadline, but didn’t do anything to strengthen the 2025 roster. There were some obvious holes in the lineup and starting pitching and they just ignored those. One good hitter and one good starter might have made a difference in the few games we are back in the wild card. Plus the message that was sent to the team, you know, the one that said, we aren’t really trying to win? Also not bringing up JJ when Donovan and Arenado went down with injuries.
If the Cardinals would have just tried to” a little “ they’d probably be in the wild card.
Wasting prospects to add to this team at the deadline would have been a massive mistake. They should have traded Romero and some of the bats.
Pittsburgh Pirates model for success.
The Pirates trade away good young players so they don't have to pay them. When have the Cardinals done this?
I believe that was the rationale for trading Helsley was it not? Adolis Garcia was traded for cash considerations. He hit 39 HR 107 RBI for 2023 world series champions. Not even the Pirates would dump in late July with the team in playoff contention.
No, it wasn't.
Helsley is a pending free agent. Couldn't afford to re-sign him.
No, signing him makes no sense when you're rebuilding.
I agree. Selling Adolis Garcia for cash considerations made sense?
That was just Mo being bad at roster management. Not the same as selling a young player for prospects because you won't pay what it takes to keep them. Try and stay on topic.
Who was "sold for prospects"? The Cardinals traded 3 good veterans for prospects. Same thing the pirates do all the time. They sold a future star. Not even the pirates do that.
The Cardinals sold vets who didn't have a future here for some prospects because they were out of contention. That's actually prudent. The Pirates sell young players before they have to pay them because they don't want to pay them. Mo traded Garcia for cash considerations because he's bad at his job. And it wasn't like Garcia was some stud at the time who was going to demand a huge contract either.
Re: As poor as this season has been
Posted: 16 Sep 2025 15:35 pm
by ScotchMIrish
alw80 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:18 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:00 am
alw80 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 05:48 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 20:03 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 13:09 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 13:05 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 12:20 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 08:39 am
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 07:33 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 06:28 am
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 20:06 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 08:05 am
I was referring to how they sold off relief pitching at the trade deadline, but didn’t do anything to strengthen the 2025 roster. There were some obvious holes in the lineup and starting pitching and they just ignored those. One good hitter and one good starter might have made a difference in the few games we are back in the wild card. Plus the message that was sent to the team, you know, the one that said, we aren’t really trying to win? Also not bringing up JJ when Donovan and Arenado went down with injuries.
If the Cardinals would have just tried to” a little “ they’d probably be in the wild card.
Wasting prospects to add to this team at the deadline would have been a massive mistake. They should have traded Romero and some of the bats.
Pittsburgh Pirates model for success.
The Pirates trade away good young players so they don't have to pay them. When have the Cardinals done this?
I believe that was the rationale for trading Helsley was it not? Adolis Garcia was traded for cash considerations. He hit 39 HR 107 RBI for 2023 world series champions. Not even the Pirates would dump in late July with the team in playoff contention.
No, it wasn't.
Helsley is a pending free agent. Couldn't afford to re-sign him.
No, signing him makes no sense when you're rebuilding.
I agree. Selling Adolis Garcia for cash considerations made sense?
That was just Mo being bad at roster management. Not the same as selling a young player for prospects because you won't pay what it takes to keep them. Try and stay on topic.
Who was "sold for prospects"? The Cardinals traded 3 good veterans for prospects. Same thing the pirates do all the time. They sold a future star. Not even the pirates do that.
The Cardinals sold vets who didn't have a future here for some prospects because they were out of contention. That's actually prudent. The Pirates sell young players before they have to pay them because they don't want to pay them. Mo traded Garcia for cash considerations because he's bad at his job. And it wasn't like Garcia was some stud at the time who was going to demand a huge contract either.
I'm aware of 3 pitchers being traded for other players. Same think the pirates do regularly. How has that worked out for the pirates?
Re: As poor as this season has been
Posted: 16 Sep 2025 16:10 pm
by alw80
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:35 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:18 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:00 am
alw80 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 05:48 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 20:03 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 13:09 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 13:05 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 12:20 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 08:39 am
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 07:33 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 06:28 am
Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 20:06 pm
Wasting prospects to add to this team at the deadline would have been a massive mistake. They should have traded Romero and some of the bats.
Pittsburgh Pirates model for success.
The Pirates trade away good young players so they don't have to pay them. When have the Cardinals done this?
I believe that was the rationale for trading Helsley was it not? Adolis Garcia was traded for cash considerations. He hit 39 HR 107 RBI for 2023 world series champions. Not even the Pirates would dump in late July with the team in playoff contention.
No, it wasn't.
Helsley is a pending free agent. Couldn't afford to re-sign him.
No, signing him makes no sense when you're rebuilding.
I agree. Selling Adolis Garcia for cash considerations made sense?
That was just Mo being bad at roster management. Not the same as selling a young player for prospects because you won't pay what it takes to keep them. Try and stay on topic.
Who was "sold for prospects"? The Cardinals traded 3 good veterans for prospects. Same thing the pirates do all the time. They sold a future star. Not even the pirates do that.
The Cardinals sold vets who didn't have a future here for some prospects because they were out of contention. That's actually prudent. The Pirates sell young players before they have to pay them because they don't want to pay them. Mo traded Garcia for cash considerations because he's bad at his job. And it wasn't like Garcia was some stud at the time who was going to demand a huge contract either.
I'm aware of 3 pitchers being traded for other players. Same think the pirates do regularly. How has that worked out for the pirates?
Do you have a history of concussions?
Re: As poor as this season has been
Posted: 16 Sep 2025 18:37 pm
by ScotchMIrish
alw80 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 16:10 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:35 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:18 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:00 am
alw80 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 05:48 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 20:03 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 13:09 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 13:05 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 12:20 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 08:39 am
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 07:33 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 06:28 am
Pittsburgh Pirates model for success.
The Pirates trade away good young players so they don't have to pay them. When have the Cardinals done this?
I believe that was the rationale for trading Helsley was it not? Adolis Garcia was traded for cash considerations. He hit 39 HR 107 RBI for 2023 world series champions. Not even the Pirates would dump in late July with the team in playoff contention.
No, it wasn't.
Helsley is a pending free agent. Couldn't afford to re-sign him.
No, signing him makes no sense when you're rebuilding.
I agree. Selling Adolis Garcia for cash considerations made sense?
That was just Mo being bad at roster management. Not the same as selling a young player for prospects because you won't pay what it takes to keep them. Try and stay on topic.
Who was "sold for prospects"? The Cardinals traded 3 good veterans for prospects. Same thing the pirates do all the time. They sold a future star. Not even the pirates do that.
The Cardinals sold vets who didn't have a future here for some prospects because they were out of contention. That's actually prudent. The Pirates sell young players before they have to pay them because they don't want to pay them. Mo traded Garcia for cash considerations because he's bad at his job. And it wasn't like Garcia was some stud at the time who was going to demand a huge contract either.
I'm aware of 3 pitchers being traded for other players. Same think the pirates do regularly. How has that worked out for the pirates?
Do you have a history of concussions?
Yes.
Re: As poor as this season has been
Posted: 16 Sep 2025 18:51 pm
by alw80
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 18:37 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 16:10 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:35 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:18 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:00 am
alw80 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 05:48 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 20:03 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 13:09 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 13:05 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 12:20 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 08:39 am
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 07:33 am
The Pirates trade away good young players so they don't have to pay them. When have the Cardinals done this?
I believe that was the rationale for trading Helsley was it not? Adolis Garcia was traded for cash considerations. He hit 39 HR 107 RBI for 2023 world series champions. Not even the Pirates would dump in late July with the team in playoff contention.
No, it wasn't.
Helsley is a pending free agent. Couldn't afford to re-sign him.
No, signing him makes no sense when you're rebuilding.
I agree. Selling Adolis Garcia for cash considerations made sense?
That was just Mo being bad at roster management. Not the same as selling a young player for prospects because you won't pay what it takes to keep them. Try and stay on topic.
Who was "sold for prospects"? The Cardinals traded 3 good veterans for prospects. Same thing the pirates do all the time. They sold a future star. Not even the pirates do that.
The Cardinals sold vets who didn't have a future here for some prospects because they were out of contention. That's actually prudent. The Pirates sell young players before they have to pay them because they don't want to pay them. Mo traded Garcia for cash considerations because he's bad at his job. And it wasn't like Garcia was some stud at the time who was going to demand a huge contract either.
I'm aware of 3 pitchers being traded for other players. Same think the pirates do regularly. How has that worked out for the pirates?
Do you have a history of concussions?
Yes.
I can tell.
Re: As poor as this season has been
Posted: 16 Sep 2025 19:16 pm
by ScotchMIrish
alw80 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 18:51 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 18:37 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 16:10 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:35 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:18 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:00 am
alw80 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 05:48 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 20:03 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 13:09 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 13:05 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 12:20 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑15 Sep 2025 08:39 am
I believe that was the rationale for trading Helsley was it not? Adolis Garcia was traded for cash considerations. He hit 39 HR 107 RBI for 2023 world series champions. Not even the Pirates would dump in late July with the team in playoff contention.
No, it wasn't.
Helsley is a pending free agent. Couldn't afford to re-sign him.
No, signing him makes no sense when you're rebuilding.
I agree. Selling Adolis Garcia for cash considerations made sense?
That was just Mo being bad at roster management. Not the same as selling a young player for prospects because you won't pay what it takes to keep them. Try and stay on topic.
Who was "sold for prospects"? The Cardinals traded 3 good veterans for prospects. Same thing the pirates do all the time. They sold a future star. Not even the pirates do that.
The Cardinals sold vets who didn't have a future here for some prospects because they were out of contention. That's actually prudent. The Pirates sell young players before they have to pay them because they don't want to pay them. Mo traded Garcia for cash considerations because he's bad at his job. And it wasn't like Garcia was some stud at the time who was going to demand a huge contract either.
I'm aware of 3 pitchers being traded for other players. Same think the pirates do regularly. How has that worked out for the pirates?
Do you have a history of concussions?
Yes.
I can tell.
Are you obtuse?