Per Buster Olney--We may be stuck with Marmol through 2026

[CraigPaquette]

I'm all for it as long as it keeps egg on BDW's face. The team is a laughingstock and I hope it gets to a point where it forces BDW to sell. To be loyal to a manager that had no business being manager in the first place just reflects the senility this man has. I just wish fans were as loyal to their recliners by not showing up to give this old idiot any more profits. I made this decision for the last 2 years.

[butsir01]

Craig, if they do retain Oli, even the tickets paid for version of “attendance” ain’t gonna save them.
Sell, Bill, and invest in Treasurys.

[imadangman]

I'm all for it as long as it keeps egg on BDW's face. The team is a laughingstock and I hope it gets to a point where it forces BDW to sell. To be loyal to a manager that had no business being manager in the first place just reflects the senility this man has. I just wish fans were as loyal to their recliners by not showing up to give this old idiot any more profits. I made this decision for the last 2 years.

If these things haven't occurred to bill by now, why would it after another year. They've been tone deaf for some time, or so we think. As far as their directionless nature in running the franchise, maybe we can give them some benefit of the doubt and maybe align their thinking with some sort of Dave Ramsey thinking. I heard him say don't take risks because if you do it and you succeed it'll just encourage you to be risky again. That seems to very closely describe the Cardinals "philosophy" since TLR left. So maybe the Cardinals brass have just been scared to act, but only out of their best intentions.

Let's put on the full tinfoil hat for a minute and go with the idea that Mo and Bill "know where the bodies are" as it relates to hackgate. In that world Bill actually isn't senile, and realized long ago he picked the wrong GM. In that world, Mozeliak gets to ride out his tenure "on his schedule."

Bottomline is, we have to hope the effort to bring in Bloom is out of the same energy that led Bill to bring in Luhnow in 03. In that realm, Bloom would be given an awful lot of autonomy as far as shifting the organization in a new direction. It's all hope.

[CorneliusWolfe]

The only way this makes ANY sense is if they don’t see an experienced, proven winner available, or at least a [shirt] hot assistant with experience that other teams are chasing because they know he’s going to be the next great manager.

Not an Oli fan but tired of seeing this job being used as an entry-level experiment. Oli always talks about learning from losing so he should at least be more educated than another rookie choice.

I don’t want to see another trial and error period or lottery ticket pick of some good former player. No Yadi or Pujols or Varitek either. No more lack of experience.

[Dicktar2023]

You can never listen to what this club says, you have to watch what they do.

With that in mind, how many times has Yadier "guest coached" this season? That seems like a pretty clear indication where BDW's head is.

[CorneliusWolfe]

Considering the weakness of this team, Marmol has really improved as a Mgr . The current coaching staff is much better than when he first became Mgr. His in game managing has gotten much better. The player seem to like him which is a plus. Everything seems to point towards Oli returning for at least one more season.

Who cares whether this bunch of losers likes Marmol? Of course, they like a country club atmosphere where stupid mistakes are made with impunity, and they directly lead to losses.

+1

Oli is more of a peer (age 39)/pal than he is a leader (aka Manager).

And he's shown no growth whatsoever as a Manager, his in game management (other than managing the pen') is virtually non existent.

Simple fundamental miscues have never been eliminated.

Bad Manager, will only be here in 2026 if BDWJr say's so due to him being under contract.

Your last statement is the part that has me concerned. I don’t think any new POBO or even GM would hinge their future success on him. But the money man will ultimately make that decision.

[Bomber1]

I'm all for it as long as it keeps egg on BDW's face. The team is a laughingstock and I hope it gets to a point where it forces BDW to sell. To be loyal to a manager that had no business being manager in the first place just reflects the senility this man has. I just wish fans were as loyal to their recliners by not showing up to give this old idiot any more profits. I made this decision for the last 2 years.

If these things haven't occurred to bill by now, why would it after another year. They've been tone deaf for some time, or so we think. As far as their directionless nature in running the franchise, maybe we can give them some benefit of the doubt and maybe align their thinking with some sort of Dave Ramsey thinking. I heard him say don't take risks because if you do it and you succeed it'll just encourage you to be risky again. That seems to very closely describe the Cardinals "philosophy" since TLR left. So maybe the Cardinals brass have just been scared to act, but only out of their best intentions.

Let's put on the full tinfoil hat for a minute and go with the idea that Mo and Bill "know where the bodies are" as it relates to hackgate. In that world Bill actually isn't senile, and realized long ago he picked the wrong GM. In that world, Mozeliak gets to ride out his tenure "on his schedule."

Bottomline is, we have to hope the effort to bring in Bloom is out of the same energy that led Bill to bring in Luhnow in 03. In that realm, Bloom would be given an awful lot of autonomy as far as shifting the organization in a new direction. It's all hope.

By “tinfoil hats” I’ll just assume you mean reality.

Because there is absolutely no other sane reason that John Mozeliak is still employed.

1. Ruin farm system - check

2. Sell low (or not at all) on every single prospect who has failed to pan out - check

3. Trade the few prospects who actually have panned out (for other teams) while keeping the wrong players - check

4. Still has not signed a single starting pitcher to a multi-year contract that worked out (Gray may change that) - check

5. Talk to media, fans, and the general public as if he knows best, while alienating them - check.

Those who believe that DeWitt is “just too loyal” to fire the idiotic Mozeliak just refuse to acknowledge the truth.

[imadangman]

I'm all for it as long as it keeps egg on BDW's face. The team is a laughingstock and I hope it gets to a point where it forces BDW to sell. To be loyal to a manager that had no business being manager in the first place just reflects the senility this man has. I just wish fans were as loyal to their recliners by not showing up to give this old idiot any more profits. I made this decision for the last 2 years.

If these things haven't occurred to bill by now, why would it after another year. They've been tone deaf for some time, or so we think. As far as their directionless nature in running the franchise, maybe we can give them some benefit of the doubt and maybe align their thinking with some sort of Dave Ramsey thinking. I heard him say don't take risks because if you do it and you succeed it'll just encourage you to be risky again. That seems to very closely describe the Cardinals "philosophy" since TLR left. So maybe the Cardinals brass have just been scared to act, but only out of their best intentions.

Let's put on the full tinfoil hat for a minute and go with the idea that Mo and Bill "know where the bodies are" as it relates to hackgate. In that world Bill actually isn't senile, and realized long ago he picked the wrong GM. In that world, Mozeliak gets to ride out his tenure "on his schedule."

Bottomline is, we have to hope the effort to bring in Bloom is out of the same energy that led Bill to bring in Luhnow in 03. In that realm, Bloom would be given an awful lot of autonomy as far as shifting the organization in a new direction. It's all hope.

By “tinfoil hats” I’ll just assume you mean reality.

Because there is absolutely no other sane reason that John Mozeliak is still employed.

1. Ruin farm system - check

2. Sell low (or not at all) on every single prospect who has failed to pan out - check

3. Trade the few prospects who actually have panned out (for other teams) while keeping the wrong players - check

4. Still has not signed a single starting pitcher to a multi-year contract that worked out (Gray may change that) - check

5. Talk to media, fans, and the general public as if he knows best, while alienating them - check.

Those who believe that DeWitt is “just too loyal” to fire the idiotic Mozeliak just refuse to acknowledge the truth.

I'm fine with entertaining either scenario. No need to get a big boner.

[Bomber1]

The only way this makes ANY sense is if they don’t see an experienced, proven winner available, or at least a [shirt] hot assistant with experience that other teams are chasing because they know he’s going to be the next great manager.

Not an Oli fan but tired of seeing this job being used as an entry-level experiment. Oli always talks about learning from losing so he should at least be more educated than another rookie choice.

I don’t want to see another trial and error period or lottery ticket pick of some good former player. No Yadi or Pujols or Varitek either. No more lack of experience.

This, well said.

[Bomber1]

I'm all for it as long as it keeps egg on BDW's face. The team is a laughingstock and I hope it gets to a point where it forces BDW to sell. To be loyal to a manager that had no business being manager in the first place just reflects the senility this man has. I just wish fans were as loyal to their recliners by not showing up to give this old idiot any more profits. I made this decision for the last 2 years.

If these things haven't occurred to bill by now, why would it after another year. They've been tone deaf for some time, or so we think. As far as their directionless nature in running the franchise, maybe we can give them some benefit of the doubt and maybe align their thinking with some sort of Dave Ramsey thinking. I heard him say don't take risks because if you do it and you succeed it'll just encourage you to be risky again. That seems to very closely describe the Cardinals "philosophy" since TLR left. So maybe the Cardinals brass have just been scared to act, but only out of their best intentions.

Let's put on the full tinfoil hat for a minute and go with the idea that Mo and Bill "know where the bodies are" as it relates to hackgate. In that world Bill actually isn't senile, and realized long ago he picked the wrong GM. In that world, Mozeliak gets to ride out his tenure "on his schedule."

Bottomline is, we have to hope the effort to bring in Bloom is out of the same energy that led Bill to bring in Luhnow in 03. In that realm, Bloom would be given an awful lot of autonomy as far as shifting the organization in a new direction. It's all hope.

By “tinfoil hats” I’ll just assume you mean reality.

Because there is absolutely no other sane reason that John Mozeliak is still employed.

1. Ruin farm system - check

2. Sell low (or not at all) on every single prospect who has failed to pan out - check

3. Trade the few prospects who actually have panned out (for other teams) while keeping the wrong players - check

4. Still has not signed a single starting pitcher to a multi-year contract that worked out (Gray may change that) - check

5. Talk to media, fans, and the general public as if he knows best, while alienating them - check.

Those who believe that DeWitt is “just too loyal” to fire the idiotic Mozeliak just refuse to acknowledge the truth.

I'm fine with entertaining either scenario. No need to get a big boner.

Ok, but by using the term tinfoil hat you, either intentionally or not, complete discount HackGate.

That has far more to do with the state of the Cardinals than any other single thing, from the death of Taveras to the trades of Alcantara, Arozarena, etc.

Because without it Mozeliak would have been gone no later than end of 2018 after 3 non-playoff seasons.

No boner, just logic.

[ClassicO]

I'm all for it as long as it keeps egg on BDW's face. The team is a laughingstock and I hope it gets to a point where it forces BDW to sell. To be loyal to a manager that had no business being manager in the first place just reflects the senility this man has. I just wish fans were as loyal to their recliners by not showing up to give this old idiot any more profits. I made this decision for the last 2 years.

If these things haven't occurred to bill by now, why would it after another year. They've been tone deaf for some time, or so we think. As far as their directionless nature in running the franchise, maybe we can give them some benefit of the doubt and maybe align their thinking with some sort of Dave Ramsey thinking. I heard him say don't take risks because if you do it and you succeed it'll just encourage you to be risky again. That seems to very closely describe the Cardinals "philosophy" since TLR left. So maybe the Cardinals brass have just been scared to act, but only out of their best intentions.

Let's put on the full tinfoil hat for a minute and go with the idea that Mo and Bill "know where the bodies are" as it relates to hackgate. In that world Bill actually isn't senile, and realized long ago he picked the wrong GM. In that world, Mozeliak gets to ride out his tenure "on his schedule."

Bottomline is, we have to hope the effort to bring in Bloom is out of the same energy that led Bill to bring in Luhnow in 03. In that realm, Bloom would be given an awful lot of autonomy as far as shifting the organization in a new direction. It's all hope.

By “tinfoil hats” I’ll just assume you mean reality.

Because there is absolutely no other sane reason that John Mozeliak is still employed.

1. Ruin farm system - check

2. Sell low (or not at all) on every single prospect who has failed to pan out - check

3. Trade the few prospects who actually have panned out (for other teams) while keeping the wrong players - check

4. Still has not signed a single starting pitcher to a multi-year contract that worked out (Gray may change that) - check

5. Talk to media, fans, and the general public as if he knows best, while alienating them - check.

Those who believe that DeWitt is “just too loyal” to fire the idiotic Mozeliak just refuse to acknowledge the truth.

I'm fine with entertaining either scenario. No need to get a big boner.

That's a pretty good summary Bomber!

[Bomber1]

I'm all for it as long as it keeps egg on BDW's face. The team is a laughingstock and I hope it gets to a point where it forces BDW to sell. To be loyal to a manager that had no business being manager in the first place just reflects the senility this man has. I just wish fans were as loyal to their recliners by not showing up to give this old idiot any more profits. I made this decision for the last 2 years.

If these things haven't occurred to bill by now, why would it after another year. They've been tone deaf for some time, or so we think. As far as their directionless nature in running the franchise, maybe we can give them some benefit of the doubt and maybe align their thinking with some sort of Dave Ramsey thinking. I heard him say don't take risks because if you do it and you succeed it'll just encourage you to be risky again. That seems to very closely describe the Cardinals "philosophy" since TLR left. So maybe the Cardinals brass have just been scared to act, but only out of their best intentions.

Let's put on the full tinfoil hat for a minute and go with the idea that Mo and Bill "know where the bodies are" as it relates to hackgate. In that world Bill actually isn't senile, and realized long ago he picked the wrong GM. In that world, Mozeliak gets to ride out his tenure "on his schedule."

Bottomline is, we have to hope the effort to bring in Bloom is out of the same energy that led Bill to bring in Luhnow in 03. In that realm, Bloom would be given an awful lot of autonomy as far as shifting the organization in a new direction. It's all hope.

By “tinfoil hats” I’ll just assume you mean reality.

Because there is absolutely no other sane reason that John Mozeliak is still employed.

1. Ruin farm system - check

2. Sell low (or not at all) on every single prospect who has failed to pan out - check

3. Trade the few prospects who actually have panned out (for other teams) while keeping the wrong players - check

4. Still has not signed a single starting pitcher to a multi-year contract that worked out (Gray may change that) - check

5. Talk to media, fans, and the general public as if he knows best, while alienating them - check.

Those who believe that DeWitt is “just too loyal” to fire the idiotic Mozeliak just refuse to acknowledge the truth.

I'm fine with entertaining either scenario. No need to get a big boner.

That's a pretty good summary Bomber!

Thanks.

[Colotiger]

Exactly what I’ve been saying. You’re in for a big disappointment if you think Oli will be gone next year.

Yeah, I suppose so.
If that's the case, then this will be one dull offseason.
I think Marmol has worn out his welcome.
With the fans he has anyway.

Dull off-seasons, and trade deadlines, have been the norm far too often lately.

[JuanAgosto]

Exactly what I’ve been saying. You’re in for a big disappointment if you think Oli will be gone next year.

Yeah, I suppose so.
If that's the case, then this will be one dull offseason.
I think Marmol has worn out his welcome.
With the fans he has anyway.

Dull off-seasons, and trade deadlines, have been the norm far too often lately.

Dull is a good word but not strong enough by itself. Mozeliak's offseason inaction isn't just dull, it's lazy and pathetic. How many years did this guy go to the Winter Meetings and hide in his suite?

John Mozeliak is an arrogant blowhard who rode other people's coattails to millions of dollars. His sorry (donkey) can't get out of StL fast enough.

[Ozziesfan41]

Exactly what I’ve been saying. You’re in for a big disappointment if you think Oli will be gone next year.

Yeah, I suppose so.
If that's the case, then this will be one dull offseason.
I think Marmol has worn out his welcome.
With the fans he has anyway.

Dull off-seasons, and trade deadlines, have been the norm far too often lately.

Dull is a good word but not strong enough by itself. Mozeliak's offseason inaction isn't just dull, it's lazy and pathetic. How many years did this guy go to the Winter Meetings and hide in his suite?

John Mozeliak is an arrogant blowhard who rode other people's coattails to millions of dollars. His sorry (donkey) can't get out of StL fast enough.

His 1,2,3 goals in the offseason were to trade arenado and he failed at all three no matter what Mel says

[hugeCardfan]

I think it would be a HUGE mistake for DeWitt to keep Marmol for another year. I understand that DeWitt has to pay Marmol whether he manages the Cardinals next year or not. I think it would cost DeWitt more money to keep Oli than to let him go. DeWitt has lost a large portion of the fan base. I believe that DeWitt would be better off bringing in a new manager that would give hope to the fans. In my opinion this is one of the first steps to getting people to return to Busch Stadium.

No surprise here. I made the case Sep 3 that Oli likely stays to complete his contract.

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Chaim has plenty to deal with. Replacing Oli likely slated for winter '26-27. If the players quit playing for him, all bets are off...but, I don't see him going this winter at all.