oli should get votes for manager of the year

[desertrat23]

I think High Em gives Oli 1 more year

C-H-A-I-M.

[Carp4Cy]

look at the team on the field,how is this team playing 500 ball?

lol manager of the year for having a mediocre team at .500? That would be nuts. If that’s the case Francona should get MOY votes for having the reds at .500

It happens sometimes. WS and pennants are for the teams that win the most. MOY is supposed to be for the manager who does the most with what he has.

Still, it can be a popularity contest. I don't see how Oli would ever win one of those.

[rightthinker4]

Face it, we've got some bad players on this squad and for this team to be playing .500 ball is amazing. No votes, but I think he's done a credible job.

He’ll be back for 2026 season.

[Ozziesfan41]

look at the team on the field,how is this team playing 500 ball?

lol manager of the year for having a mediocre team at .500? That would be nuts. If that’s the case Francona should get MOY votes for having the reds at .500

It happens sometimes. WS and pennants are for the teams that win the most. MOY is supposed to be for the manager who does the most with what he has.

Still, it can be a popularity contest. I don't see how Oli would ever win one of those.

Then it should be the brewers manager a lot of
Cards talk said they were done in the offseason it was the cubs a lot of the media were predicting the cubs to run away with it and all they did was run away with the central and have one of the best records in baseball all with a small payroll that’s probably below the cardinals yea but oli has the team at .500 a participation award sure give him that but manager of the year no way. But I’ll give Dewitt and mo company to lowering fans expectations to cheering over a .500 record.

[Carp4Cy]

look at the team on the field,how is this team playing 500 ball?

lol manager of the year for having a mediocre team at .500? That would be nuts. If that’s the case Francona should get MOY votes for having the reds at .500

It happens sometimes. WS and pennants are for the teams that win the most. MOY is supposed to be for the manager who does the most with what he has.

Still, it can be a popularity contest. I don't see how Oli would ever win one of those.

Then it should be the brewers manager a lot of
Cards talk said they were done in the offseason it was the cubs a lot of the media were predicting the cubs to run away with it and all they did was run away with the central and have one of the best records in baseball all with a small payroll that’s probably below the cardinals yea but oli has the team at .500 a participation award sure give him that but manager of the year no way. But I’ll give Dewitt and mo company to lowering fans expectations to cheering over a .500 record.

Most of these award ballots have first second and third place votes. So the OP’s premise that Ollie gets votes is very possible. He doesn’t have to be the best, he just has to get some votes from someone.

That’s a rather low bar, not remarkable, and not something we can very well prove untrue at this point

[BrummerStealsHome]

look at the team on the field,how is this team playing 500 ball?

The majority of the team members have performed well below expectations.
The manager has completely failed in the stated #1 objective of young player development and has terribly botched playing time opportunities.
The team is 4th in a 5-team division.
The team in 10th in a 15-team league.
In no sane universe is that worthy of a single manager-of-the-year vote.
It does, however, call for one pink slip.

Well said.

Will add....never should have been here this year to begin with.

Glad to see us back at .500. I belive a better manager would have us 10 games over (that's a 5-win difference).

Your apoarant dislike of Marmol as manager has clouded your objectivity. Texas and Cincinnati have HOF managers and more talent than us. How many more wins do those two great managers have this year than the Cardinals?

Who isn't being objective here? I was a Marmol defender until last year, when his bullpen management and other failures became too apparent. And we aren't Texas or Cincinnati; they have their own circumstances to deal with. Managerial quality is one factor of many that determines performance. Besides, it's rather ballsy to claim the Cincinnati has more talent than we do.

Bullpen mismanagement? You have to be kidding. That is something he has done well. What metric are you using for that or is it just based on your keen observation? The bullpen and defense are two of the reasons we win games. The manager has nothing to do with that? And I don't remember our key relievers facing lots of injuries from overuse. Cincinnati has several really good starting pitchers far better than ours. Their offense is not worse than ours.

No, I'm not kidding. Are you watching the games? A guy comes in, gives up the tying run, then the Cards score and the pitcher is credited with the win. No, you can't just go by stats. His paint-by-numbers bullpen management has been pointed out many times throughout this season. Those not paying attention is not my problem.

That is just your take. He has managed the bullpen well. I don't look at wins for relievers. That is dumb. He manages the bullpen each game based on what pitchers he has available that night, the matchups likely faced that night, and who will ne available the next night. When starters have short outings that also affects things greatly. The Cardinals bullpen has pitched well ths year and last, and kept them in a lot of games allowing the come back wins. Lately it has been done with three of their key bullpen pieces gone. Bernie Miklasz had a great bit about this a couple weeks ago.

Of all the problems this team has had the bullpen and it's management is one of the bright spots.

I am quite familiar with the paint-by-numbers approach. Explaining it is not tantamount to a defense of it. You seem to be dismissive of that which you disagree, so I don't see any reason to continue here.

I'm dismissive of posts based on nothing but opinion without any support. Hochman has a interesting piece today about how good the bullpen has been. Amazing how well it is doing with mostly young pitchers with a manager who is such a poor bullpen skipper.

You can accept columnist's writings at face value if you want, but I don't. They have to write about things to make a living so they're not any more objective than anyone else. Did you watch last night's game? Where Marmol took out a pitcher pitching well only for the game to get blown by the bullpen? And with some of the bullpen guys unavailable because he overused them in previous games? Good luck finding a stat or metric for that. You know that simply by observation.

[rockondlouie]

Oli should get a PINK SLIP but sadly BDWJr is (likely) going to give him 2026 since he's under contract, Dewitt is in full re-build mode and isn't going to give C. Bloom the payroll to compete.

[ForumPolice]

Oli should get a PINK SLIP but sadly BDWJr is (likely) going to give him 2026 since he's under contract, Dewitt is in full re-build mode and isn't going to give C. Bloom the payroll to compete.

Worse yet, they'll give him an extension so he's not a lame duck

[rockondlouie]

Oli should get a PINK SLIP but sadly BDWJr is (likely) going to give him 2026 since he's under contract, Dewitt is in full re-build mode and isn't going to give C. Bloom the payroll to compete.

Worse yet, they'll give him an extension so he's not a lame duck

Thankfully FB the guy who handed out those (idiotic) extensions is gone in a few weeks!

[Ordinary Man]

Oli should get a PINK SLIP but sadly BDWJr is (likely) going to give him 2026 since he's under contract, Dewitt is in full re-build mode and isn't going to give C. Bloom the payroll to compete.

Worse yet, they'll give him an extension so he's not a lame duck

Well, they usually give Oli an extension so he doesn't feel any pressure to win. It's still hard for me to believe they are running a professional sports team.

[Ozziesfan41]

He should definitely get manager of the year votes with the Mets collapsing oli has somehow managed to rally the struggling troops and have them playing their best baseball to run them down! It’s a Larussa 2011 like managing to performance

[Hoosier59]

He should definitely get manager of the year votes with the Mets collapsing oli has somehow managed to rally the struggling troops and have them playing their best baseball to run them down! It’s a Larussa 2011 like managing to performance

You forgot the blue fonts

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

He should be fired 15 minutes after the last game of this miserable season.

[morley1]

whomever is left in front office at seasons end needs to quickly fire or reassign oli. he cant be making enough bank to worry about that. if cards dont make a huge change in players and coaches, attendance in 2026 will mostly be family and close friends.

[Ozziesfan41]

So glad the cardinals are probably bringing oli back he has the team firing on all cylinders in their chase after the collapsing Mets he really deserves those manager of the year votes

[bccardsfan]

He sure had them playing great tonight! What an epic collapse to lose a game they had in the bag. Firing on all cylinders!