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TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 18:47 pm

Wattage wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 18:23 pm And why hasnt he?
He had consistency to start 2024. He lost the plate appearences after a certain length of time and sent to the minors because he was hitting well under .200. At some point you dont co tinue

Also fun fact he actually had MORE plate appearences total in 2023 than 2023, its just that 98 of them were in the minor leagues

And blaming the position change is silly. Youd have a point maybe if gorman changed positions in 2024 and then started struggling.

But gorman changed to 2b in the minor leagues in 2021 andnit didnt affect his hitting then- then had a great minor league season and okay 2022 rookie season in majors and a good 2023 playing 2b- so why are we know blaming the position change from 4 years ago for his struggles when it didnt affect his hotting at all for those 3 years but you sre now blaming it for his struggles these last 2. Im sorry but that is beyond laughable of an excuse at this point.

Probably because given his body type and hitting profile it didn’t make sense to move this 3b player to 2b and it’s contributed to injuries as the movement profile is far different at 2b than 3b as well as the time investment required to continue to hone that position at the MLB level.

Given that Gorman is the only double digit HR hitter since Pujols in his first 4 seasons, is 25 years old, and we aren’t going to spend to acquire a better power potential bat it’s unbelievable people aren’t fully on board with seeing what we can get out of him at 3b and or DH.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 18:50 pm We are seeing what we can get out of him and it isn’t impressive

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 19:05 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 18:50 pm We are seeing what we can get out of him and it isn’t impressive

You don’t think he’s been showing improvement and point of optimism since Arenado went to the IL?

Wattage wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 17:44 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:36 pm

3dender wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:52 pm We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.

You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.

You do realize that that is false?
He has 13 homeruns in 332 plate appearences- that projects to 23 over 600 plate appearences.

You also realize that for him to get 600 plate appearences hed have to hit full time vs lefties and more proportion of at bats vs lefties would lower his homerun rate more.

You cam straight project to larger sample size anyway but hed project to about 20 homeruns.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 19:11 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 19:05 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 18:50 pm We are seeing what we can get out of him and it isn’t impressive

You don’t think he’s been showing improvement and point of optimism since Arenado went to the IL?

He had his usual brief hot streak and is now sinking in his extended cold streak again 1 for his last 23 striking out a ton batting .192 in his last 24 games it’s classic sucking Gorman

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 19:16 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 19:11 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 19:05 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 18:50 pm We are seeing what we can get out of him and it isn’t impressive

You don’t think he’s been showing improvement and point of optimism since Arenado went to the IL?

He had his usual brief hot streak and is now sinking in his extended cold streak again 1 for his last 23 striking out a ton batting .192 in his last 24 games it’s classic sucking Gorman

It’s September 2nd, he hit .250 in the month of August.

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:36 pm

3dender wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:52 pm We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.

You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 19:23 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:36 pm

3dender wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:52 pm We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.

You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.

If a guy hits 30 HR while batting .216 and slugging .396 I’m not sure he’s as valuable as you seem to think.

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 17:36 pm

Voldemort wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 17:31 pm Gorman continues to be a "can't miss" that missed. He won't get any better.

He’s 25, most get a little better over coming years.

And if he didn’t get any better, his HR production in ‘24 and ‘25 project with a full season of at-bats to like 30HRs a year.

Voldemort wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 19:46 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 17:36 pm

Voldemort wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 17:31 pm Gorman continues to be a "can't miss" that missed. He won't get any better.

He’s 25, most get a little better over coming years.

And if he didn’t get any better, his HR production in ‘24 and ‘25 project with a full season of at-bats to like 30HRs a year.

Wow, so he is only 25. The proof is in the pudding. He has not produced anywhere near what his projection was and, is now showing signs that he'll ever do so but you keep dreaming that dream.

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 19:51 pm

Voldemort wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 19:46 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 17:36 pm

Voldemort wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 17:31 pm Gorman continues to be a "can't miss" that missed. He won't get any better.

He’s 25, most get a little better over coming years.

And if he didn’t get any better, his HR production in ‘24 and ‘25 project with a full season of at-bats to like 30HRs a year.

Wow, so he is only 25. The proof is in the pudding. He has not produced anywhere near what his projection was and, is now showing signs that he'll ever do so but you keep dreaming that dream.

He’s 25 and the only Cardinal since Pujols with double digit HR’s in his first 4 years.

He’s the only power+ bat in the organization and we aren’t spending or trading for one, it makes all the sense in the world to continue with his development here.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 19:23 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:36 pm

3dender wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:52 pm We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.

You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.

If a guy hits 30 HR while batting .216 and slugging .396 I’m not sure he’s as valuable as you seem to think.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 20:05 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 19:51 pm

Voldemort wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 19:46 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 17:36 pm

Voldemort wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 17:31 pm Gorman continues to be a "can't miss" that missed. He won't get any better.

He’s 25, most get a little better over coming years.

And if he didn’t get any better, his HR production in ‘24 and ‘25 project with a full season of at-bats to like 30HRs a year.

Wow, so he is only 25. The proof is in the pudding. He has not produced anywhere near what his projection was and, is now showing signs that he'll ever do so but you keep dreaming that dream.

He’s 25 and the only Cardinal since Pujols with double digit HR’s in his first 4 years.

He’s the only power+ bat in the organization and we aren’t spending or trading for one, it makes all the sense in the world to continue with his development here.

the prettiest pig in the pen.

Lightning Rod wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 20:13 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 19:23 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:36 pm

3dender wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:52 pm We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.

You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.

If a guy hits 30 HR while batting .216 and slugging .396 I’m not sure he’s as valuable as you seem to think.

He's a liability on defense, so if he's going to hit .210 he needs to hit 45 home runs, not 30... and he'll never do that. Bust.

ramfandan wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 20:19 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 20:05 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 19:51 pm

Voldemort wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 19:46 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 17:36 pm

Voldemort wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 17:31 pm Gorman continues to be a "can't miss" that missed. He won't get any better.

He’s 25, most get a little better over coming years.

And if he didn’t get any better, his HR production in ‘24 and ‘25 project with a full season of at-bats to like 30HRs a year.

Wow, so he is only 25. The proof is in the pudding. He has not produced anywhere near what his projection was and, is now showing signs that he'll ever do so but you keep dreaming that dream.

He’s 25 and the only Cardinal since Pujols with double digit HR’s in his first 4 years.

He’s the only power+ bat in the organization and we aren’t spending or trading for one, it makes all the sense in the world to continue with his development here.

the prettiest pig in the pen.

Prettiest pig in the pen? My wife thinks that’s hog-wash !
2nd or 3rd at best

Youboughtit wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:38 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 15:34 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:46 pm Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO

Agree, he’s more of a DH which adds to the problem of WC.

It’s a shame his development was so disrupted at 3b, we’ll never know. Not saying he would have become serviceable there, I’m saying it’s a shame he’s spent years away from there now and it’s impossible to know how that would’ve turned out.

Either way he’s a DH only with Wetherholt and Donovan on a team already needing RH bats. Maybe deal Hererra since he has value and get that RH OF bat?