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Re: Legacy defined????
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 04:01 am
by WLTFE
blackinkbiz wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 22:33 pm
How will the MOzo legacy be defined?
If you plotted a bell curve from success to disaster, I'd say Mozeliak's reign looks a lot like Hitler's.
Now that's funny...but same will be (upset)!
Re: Legacy defined????
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 05:35 am
by lidstrom5
Has he ascended to the most hated man in Cardinals history beating out Don Denkinger?
Re: Legacy defined????
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 07:55 am
by Cranny
lidstrom5 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 05:35 am
Has he ascended to the most hated man in Cardinals history beating out Don Denkinger?
Dislike his moves as GM and POBO, sure, but “hate” a man you don’t even know personally? Weird.
Re: Legacy defined????
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 07:59 am
by skeezix
Cranny wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 07:55 am
lidstrom5 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 05:35 am
Has he ascended to the most hated man in Cardinals history beating out Don Denkinger?
Dislike his moves as GM and POBO, sure, but “hate” a man you don’t even know personally? Weird.
Would you accept "question his intelligence?"
Re: Legacy defined????
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 08:03 am
by sdaltons
Cranny wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 07:55 am
lidstrom5 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 05:35 am
Has he ascended to the most hated man in Cardinals history beating out Don Denkinger?
Dislike his moves as GM and POBO, sure, but “hate” a man you don’t even know personally? Weird.
I genuinely don't understand how you've gotten this far in life.
Re: Legacy defined????
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 08:20 am
by Cranny
sdaltons wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:03 am
Cranny wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 07:55 am
lidstrom5 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 05:35 am
Has he ascended to the most hated man in Cardinals history beating out Don Denkinger?
Dislike his moves as GM and POBO, sure, but “hate” a man you don’t even know personally? Weird.
I genuinely don't understand how you've gotten this far in life.
sdaltons - there’s a big difference between attacking a post and attacking a poster. You might want to learn that difference.
Re: Legacy defined????
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 08:30 am
by icon
Melville wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 19:05 pm
Indy47 wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 17:54 pm
How will the MOzo legacy be defined?
The brilliant branding I applied long ago does so with perfection.
Super Slo Mo.
But it's not all-encompassing. You need something that takes into account all the crazy extensions and free agent signings as well. In other words, often his pure incompetence when he did act. I'm not sure with that incompetence that moving in fast motion would have been a better idea.

Re: Legacy defined????
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 08:31 am
by sdaltons
Cranny wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:20 am
sdaltons wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:03 am
Cranny wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 07:55 am
lidstrom5 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 05:35 am
Has he ascended to the most hated man in Cardinals history beating out Don Denkinger?
Dislike his moves as GM and POBO, sure, but “hate” a man you don’t even know personally? Weird.
I genuinely don't understand how you've gotten this far in life.
sdaltons - there’s a big difference between attacking a post and attacking a poster. You might want to learn that difference.
Nah, I'm good. Thanks anyway.
Re: Legacy defined????
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 08:39 am
by icon
Cranny wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 21:02 pm
Cards winning 6-5.
And then lost 8-3. To the Pirates. And are now 5-9 during this 16-game stretch against the Rockies, Yanks, Marlins, Rays and Pirates. Hooray!
Re: Legacy defined????
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 08:47 am
by Melville
icon wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:30 am
Melville wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 19:05 pm
Indy47 wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 17:54 pm
How will the MOzo legacy be defined?
The brilliant branding I applied long ago does so with perfection.
Super Slo Mo.
But it's not all-encompassing. You need something that takes into account all the crazy extensions and free agent signings as well. In other words, often his pure incompetence when he did act. I'm not sure with that incompetence that moving in fast motion would have been a better idea.
Solid input on your part and taken under due consideration.
Allow me to expound on the meaning of the branding, without being loquacious which I am loathe to do.
"Super Slo Mo" is designed to work on 3 levels, each of which captures a unique and different aspect of his failed leadership.
Mo is fearful, timid, cautious, which causes him to be late on necessary decisions regardless of how obvious they are.
Mo regrettably is a challenged learner, repeatedly gaining no insights from past mistakes.
Mo was never blessed with much baseball acumen to begin with, operating with an 8-inch ruler in a foot long world.
Does that help?
Re: Legacy defined????
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 08:48 am
by icon
whowadat wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 00:54 am
Bill DeWitt Jr.'s LACKEY!
Being a firm believer in the Harry S Truman mantra....The Buck Stops Here!....I can't help but think that MO's hands were tied by BDJr who is a businessman that runs the Cards like a business. Maybe MO is inept as they come, but if the man holding the purse strings tells you to be successful with one hand tied behind your back...then maybe history will show that MO worked wonders while working for a penny-pinching micro manager.
Now myself, if I was put under pressure to succeed without the money to fund the resources I felt I needed to compete against those who were spending the money....I would not be silent and I would of been fired for opening my mouth. Look no further than Mike Shildt who's problem was more than likely BDJr. rather than MO....same could be said for Pujols possibly.
Anyways, if MO is so completely inept than we have BDJr. to thank for not letting him go much, much sooner. Who knows, might just be the Peter Principle wherein someone not too baseball smart...BDJr., needed someone he felt was even dumber to run the show and provide him with a fall guy.
The owner always controls the purse. But Mozeliak put a torch to tens of millions of the owner's dollars in contracts like those with Leake, Fowler, Miller, Holland, Cecil, etc., and extensions like those to Matt Carpenter and Mikolas.
Re: Legacy defined????
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 08:54 am
by icon
Melville wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:47 am
icon wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:30 am
Melville wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 19:05 pm
Indy47 wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 17:54 pm
How will the MOzo legacy be defined?
The brilliant branding I applied long ago does so with perfection.
Super Slo Mo.
But it's not all-encompassing. You need something that takes into account all the crazy extensions and free agent signings as well. In other words, often his pure incompetence when he did act. I'm not sure with that incompetence that moving in fast motion would have been a better idea.
Solid input on your part and taken under due consideration.
Allow me to expound on the meaning of the branding, without being loquacious which I am loathe to do.
"Super Slo Mo" is designed to work on 3 levels, each of which captures a unique and different aspect of his failed leadership.
Mo is fearful, timid, cautious, which causes him to be late on necessary decisions regardless of how obvious they are.
Mo regrettably is a challenged learner, repeatedly gaining no insights from past mistakes.
Mo was never blessed with much baseball acumen to begin with, operating with an 8-inch ruler in a foot long world.
Does that help?
So the word slow takes on more than one meaning here. As in slow on the uptake. Anyway, I like your description of him.
Re: Legacy defined????
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 09:31 am
by Cranny
sdaltons wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:31 am
Cranny wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:20 am
sdaltons wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:03 am
Cranny wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 07:55 am
lidstrom5 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 05:35 am
Has he ascended to the most hated man in Cardinals history beating out Don Denkinger?
Dislike his moves as GM and POBO, sure, but “hate” a man you don’t even know personally? Weird.
I genuinely don't understand how you've gotten this far in life.
sdaltons - there’s a big difference between attacking a post and attacking a poster. You might want to learn that difference.
Nah, I'm good. Thanks anyway.
You’re good personally attacking the persona of someone you don’t know? LOL. Press on to whatever you press on to, please.
Re: Legacy defined????
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 10:35 am
by YNWA2016
always as an arrogant bow tie lil d who talks down to the fans
Re: Legacy defined????
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 10:39 am
by Cranny
YNWA2016 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 10:35 am
always as an arrogant bow tie lil d who talks down to the fans
Many questionable moves over the past number of years, but what does the kind of tie a person wears have anything to do with it?
Re: Legacy defined????
Posted: 27 Aug 2025 11:14 am
by desertrat23
Cranny wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 10:39 am
YNWA2016 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 10:35 am
always as an arrogant bow tie lil d who talks down to the fans
Many questionable moves over the past number of years, but what does the kind of tie a person wears have anything to do with it?
Nothing to a rational person, but this is St. Louis. The Venn diagram of people who don't like Mo's fashion sense and the people who are up in arms over Cracker Barrel is probably two circles on top of each other.