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desertrat23 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 14:18 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:45 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:44 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:23 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:19 pm Got it. Turn your back on the organization, and they'll improve.

That is unfair.
Many of us are disgusted with the FO organization, but still love the team.
Big difference, Cranny.

So you boycott, and turn your back on the team you love?

People are turning their backs on Bill DeWitt and John Mozeliak, who (despite what they think) are NOT the organization.

desertrat23 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 14:50 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:45 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:44 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:23 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:19 pm Got it. Turn your back on the organization, and they'll improve.

That is unfair.
Many of us are disgusted with the FO organization, but still love the team.
Big difference, Cranny.

So you boycott, and turn your back on the team you love?

Boycott has nothing to do with it. People are naturally more likely to attend any sporting event based on an expectation of quality.

That’s reality. In Crannyworld Bill DeWitt IS the franchise, and we must show our loyalty for his accomplishments decades ago.

Cranny wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm

FrankTheTank wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html

“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”

You should be happy and applaud this

Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..

+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years

Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.

Absolut wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 16:51 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm

45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm

FrankTheTank wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html

“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”

You should be happy and applaud this

Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..

+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years

Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.

Yes. This lousy 500 team is entirely in a vacuum. No prior lousy years. No mismanagement. No offensive behavior from management. This came out of nowhere. And costs are super when going to games.

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 16:20 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 14:50 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:45 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:44 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:23 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:19 pm Got it. Turn your back on the organization, and they'll improve.

That is unfair.
Many of us are disgusted with the FO organization, but still love the team.
Big difference, Cranny.

So you boycott, and turn your back on the team you love?

Boycott has nothing to do with it. People are naturally more likely to attend any sporting event based on an expectation of quality.

That’s reality. In Crannyworld Bill DeWitt IS the franchise, and we must show our loyalty for his accomplishments decades ago.

He's pretty much the franchise at the present time, as long as he's the owner. He's been the owner for 30 years.

desertrat23 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 17:18 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 16:20 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 14:50 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:45 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:44 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:23 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:19 pm Got it. Turn your back on the organization, and they'll improve.

That is unfair.
Many of us are disgusted with the FO organization, but still love the team.
Big difference, Cranny.

So you boycott, and turn your back on the team you love?

Boycott has nothing to do with it. People are naturally more likely to attend any sporting event based on an expectation of quality.

That’s reality. In Crannyworld Bill DeWitt IS the franchise, and we must show our loyalty for his accomplishments decades ago.

He's pretty much the franchise at the present time, as long as he's the owner. He's been the owner for 30 years.

Put that response in the Bootlicker Hall of Fame.

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 16:20 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 14:50 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:45 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:44 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:23 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:19 pm Got it. Turn your back on the organization, and they'll improve.

That is unfair.
Many of us are disgusted with the FO organization, but still love the team.
Big difference, Cranny.

So you boycott, and turn your back on the team you love?

Boycott has nothing to do with it. People are naturally more likely to attend any sporting event based on an expectation of quality.

That’s reality. In Crannyworld Bill DeWitt IS the franchise, and we must show our loyalty for his accomplishments decades ago.

He's pretty much the franchise at the present time, as long as he's the owner. He's been the owner for 30 years.

desertrat23 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 17:18 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 16:20 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 14:50 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:45 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:44 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:23 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:19 pm Got it. Turn your back on the organization, and they'll improve.

That is unfair.
Many of us are disgusted with the FO organization, but still love the team.
Big difference, Cranny.

So you boycott, and turn your back on the team you love?

Boycott has nothing to do with it. People are naturally more likely to attend any sporting event based on an expectation of quality.

That’s reality. In Crannyworld Bill DeWitt IS the franchise, and we must show our loyalty for his accomplishments decades ago.

He's pretty much the franchise at the present time, as long as he's the owner. He's been the owner for 30 years.

Put that response in the Bootlicker Hall of Fame.

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 17:35 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 16:20 pm

desertrat23 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 14:50 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:45 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:44 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:23 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 13:19 pm Got it. Turn your back on the organization, and they'll improve.

That is unfair.
Many of us are disgusted with the FO organization, but still love the team.
Big difference, Cranny.

So you boycott, and turn your back on the team you love?

Boycott has nothing to do with it. People are naturally more likely to attend any sporting event based on an expectation of quality.

That’s reality. In Crannyworld Bill DeWitt IS the franchise, and we must show our loyalty for his accomplishments decades ago.

He's pretty much the franchise at the present time, as long as he's the owner. He's been the owner for 30 years.

OK, Cranny-a serious question.

How would you, as a fan, suggest expressing displeasure over the last few years of the Cardinal product? Should a real fan just suck it up and hang in patiently with "the team you love?" Clap obediently from the stands after another meltdown that seems to have no end? Is that our responsibility as serious fans, or is it our place to call out a train wreck in perpetual motion?

Respectfully, through many years, I cannot recall you ever saying anything about the team, management, or ownership that could be construed as critical or exasperated-something many of us have felt for sometime. I respect you as a lifelong Cardinal fan, and your willingness to engage with an often hostile audience, but there is a "Dear Leader" element on your perspective of DeWitt that seems to be always be there, you know?

But I digress.

How are we supposed to respond as fans to what we are seeing? How do you see it?

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 18:17 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 17:35 pm
OK, Cranny-a serious question.

How would you, as a fan, suggest expressing displeasure over the last few years of the Cardinal product? Should a real fan just suck it up and hang in patiently with "the team you love?" Clap obediently from the stands after another meltdown that seems to have no end? Is that our responsibility as serious fans, or is it our place to call out a train wreck in perpetual motion?

Respectfully, through many years, I cannot recall you ever saying anything about the team, management, or ownership that could be construed as critical or exasperated-something many of us have felt for sometime. I respect you as a lifelong Cardinal fan, and your willingness to engage with an often hostile audience, but there is a "Dear Leader" element on your perspective of DeWitt that seems to be always be there, you know?

But I digress.

How are we supposed to respond as fans to what we are seeing?

Satch -

What’s funny on here is that once a poster is “classified”
people only read what aligns with that classification.
I’ve actually been very critical about certain things over the years, but it’s not noticed because it doesn’t fit the “classification”. I criticized signing Leake. I criticized signing Fowler, and criticized him once he was here.
I criticized the signing of Cecil. I criticized the signing of
Miller. I was highly critical of the appointing of Oli Marmol as manager. He didn't deserve it in any way. If they wanted to stay inside for the move, the obvious choice was Stubby.
And I was highly critical of the appointment of Dusty Blake.
I shudder every time he walks out to the mound.

But also try to counter that with finding things in the organization to be upbeat about. Like what Church was doing at Memphis before being called up. Like Mathews leading the entire minor leagues in strike outs last season,
Like what JJ has been doing as he comes through the system. Like the way McGreevy is pitching in the majors now. Glimmers of hope that we will hopefully in the near future be back on track.

Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 18:59 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 18:17 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 17:35 pm
OK, Cranny-a serious question.

How would you, as a fan, suggest expressing displeasure over the last few years of the Cardinal product? Should a real fan just suck it up and hang in patiently with "the team you love?" Clap obediently from the stands after another meltdown that seems to have no end? Is that our responsibility as serious fans, or is it our place to call out a train wreck in perpetual motion?

Respectfully, through many years, I cannot recall you ever saying anything about the team, management, or ownership that could be construed as critical or exasperated-something many of us have felt for sometime. I respect you as a lifelong Cardinal fan, and your willingness to engage with an often hostile audience, but there is a "Dear Leader" element on your perspective of DeWitt that seems to be always be there, you know?

But I digress.

How are we supposed to respond as fans to what we are seeing?

Satch -

What’s funny on here is that once a poster is “classified”
people only read what aligns with that classification.
I’ve actually been very critical about certain things over the years, but it’s not noticed because it doesn’t fit the “classification”. I criticized signing Leake. I criticized signing Fowler, and criticized him once he was here.
I criticized the signing of Cecil. I criticized the signing of
Miller. I was highly critical of the appointing of Oli Marmol as manager. He didn't deserve it in any way. If they wanted to stay inside for the move, the obvious choice was Stubby.
And I was highly critical of the appointment of Dusty Blake.
I shudder every time he walks out to the mound.

But also try to counter that with finding things in the organization to be upbeat about. Like what Church was doing at Memphis before being called up. Like Mathews leading the entire minor leagues in strike outs last season,
Like what JJ has been doing as he comes through the system. Like the way McGreevy is pitching in the majors now. Glimmers of hope that we will hopefully in the near future be back on track.

Wanna try answering his question his ?, which by the way, he asked twice?

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 19:43 pm

Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 18:59 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 18:17 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 17:35 pm
OK, Cranny-a serious question.

How would you, as a fan, suggest expressing displeasure over the last few years of the Cardinal product? Should a real fan just suck it up and hang in patiently with "the team you love?" Clap obediently from the stands after another meltdown that seems to have no end? Is that our responsibility as serious fans, or is it our place to call out a train wreck in perpetual motion?

Respectfully, through many years, I cannot recall you ever saying anything about the team, management, or ownership that could be construed as critical or exasperated-something many of us have felt for sometime. I respect you as a lifelong Cardinal fan, and your willingness to engage with an often hostile audience, but there is a "Dear Leader" element on your perspective of DeWitt that seems to be always be there, you know?

But I digress.

How are we supposed to respond as fans to what we are seeing?

Satch -

What’s funny on here is that once a poster is “classified”
people only read what aligns with that classification.
I’ve actually been very critical about certain things over the years, but it’s not noticed because it doesn’t fit the “classification”. I criticized signing Leake. I criticized signing Fowler, and criticized him once he was here.
I criticized the signing of Cecil. I criticized the signing of
Miller. I was highly critical of the appointing of Oli Marmol as manager. He didn't deserve it in any way. If they wanted to stay inside for the move, the obvious choice was Stubby.
And I was highly critical of the appointment of Dusty Blake.
I shudder every time he walks out to the mound.

But also try to counter that with finding things in the organization to be upbeat about. Like what Church was doing at Memphis before being called up. Like Mathews leading the entire minor leagues in strike outs last season,
Like what JJ has been doing as he comes through the system. Like the way McGreevy is pitching in the majors now. Glimmers of hope that we will hopefully in the near future be back on track.

Wanna try answering his question his ?, which by the way, he asked twice?

I answered him precisely. Satch knows I did. Please stay out of it. All you’re looking for is negative horse manure

desertrat23 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 19:57 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 19:43 pm

Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 18:59 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 18:17 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 17:35 pm
OK, Cranny-a serious question.

How would you, as a fan, suggest expressing displeasure over the last few years of the Cardinal product? Should a real fan just suck it up and hang in patiently with "the team you love?" Clap obediently from the stands after another meltdown that seems to have no end? Is that our responsibility as serious fans, or is it our place to call out a train wreck in perpetual motion?

Respectfully, through many years, I cannot recall you ever saying anything about the team, management, or ownership that could be construed as critical or exasperated-something many of us have felt for sometime. I respect you as a lifelong Cardinal fan, and your willingness to engage with an often hostile audience, but there is a "Dear Leader" element on your perspective of DeWitt that seems to be always be there, you know?

But I digress.

How are we supposed to respond as fans to what we are seeing?

Satch -

What’s funny on here is that once a poster is “classified”
people only read what aligns with that classification.
I’ve actually been very critical about certain things over the years, but it’s not noticed because it doesn’t fit the “classification”. I criticized signing Leake. I criticized signing Fowler, and criticized him once he was here.
I criticized the signing of Cecil. I criticized the signing of
Miller. I was highly critical of the appointing of Oli Marmol as manager. He didn't deserve it in any way. If they wanted to stay inside for the move, the obvious choice was Stubby.
And I was highly critical of the appointment of Dusty Blake.
I shudder every time he walks out to the mound.

But also try to counter that with finding things in the organization to be upbeat about. Like what Church was doing at Memphis before being called up. Like Mathews leading the entire minor leagues in strike outs last season,
Like what JJ has been doing as he comes through the system. Like the way McGreevy is pitching in the majors now. Glimmers of hope that we will hopefully in the near future be back on track.

Wanna try answering his question his ?, which by the way, he asked twice?

I answered him precisely. Satch knows I did. Please stay out of it. All you’re looking for is negative horse manure

You didn’t. How should fans express their displeasure?

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 19:43 pm

Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 18:59 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 18:17 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 17:35 pm
OK, Cranny-a serious question.

How would you, as a fan, suggest expressing displeasure over the last few years of the Cardinal product? Should a real fan just suck it up and hang in patiently with "the team you love?" Clap obediently from the stands after another meltdown that seems to have no end? Is that our responsibility as serious fans, or is it our place to call out a train wreck in perpetual motion?

Respectfully, through many years, I cannot recall you ever saying anything about the team, management, or ownership that could be construed as critical or exasperated-something many of us have felt for sometime. I respect you as a lifelong Cardinal fan, and your willingness to engage with an often hostile audience, but there is a "Dear Leader" element on your perspective of DeWitt that seems to be always be there, you know?

But I digress.

How are we supposed to respond as fans to what we are seeing?

Satch -

What’s funny on here is that once a poster is “classified”
people only read what aligns with that classification.
I’ve actually been very critical about certain things over the years, but it’s not noticed because it doesn’t fit the “classification”. I criticized signing Leake. I criticized signing Fowler, and criticized him once he was here.
I criticized the signing of Cecil. I criticized the signing of
Miller. I was highly critical of the appointing of Oli Marmol as manager. He didn't deserve it in any way. If they wanted to stay inside for the move, the obvious choice was Stubby.
And I was highly critical of the appointment of Dusty Blake.
I shudder every time he walks out to the mound.

But also try to counter that with finding things in the organization to be upbeat about. Like what Church was doing at Memphis before being called up. Like Mathews leading the entire minor leagues in strike outs last season,
Like what JJ has been doing as he comes through the system. Like the way McGreevy is pitching in the majors now. Glimmers of hope that we will hopefully in the near future be back on track.

Wanna try answering his question his ?, which by the way, he asked twice?

I answered him precisely. Satch knows I did. Please stay out of it. All you’re looking for is negative horse manure

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 19:43 pm

Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 18:59 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 18:17 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑23 Aug 2025 17:35 pm
OK, Cranny-a serious question.

How would you, as a fan, suggest expressing displeasure over the last few years of the Cardinal product? Should a real fan just suck it up and hang in patiently with "the team you love?" Clap obediently from the stands after another meltdown that seems to have no end? Is that our responsibility as serious fans, or is it our place to call out a train wreck in perpetual motion?

Respectfully, through many years, I cannot recall you ever saying anything about the team, management, or ownership that could be construed as critical or exasperated-something many of us have felt for sometime. I respect you as a lifelong Cardinal fan, and your willingness to engage with an often hostile audience, but there is a "Dear Leader" element on your perspective of DeWitt that seems to be always be there, you know?

But I digress.

How are we supposed to respond as fans to what we are seeing?

Satch -

What’s funny on here is that once a poster is “classified”
people only read what aligns with that classification.
I’ve actually been very critical about certain things over the years, but it’s not noticed because it doesn’t fit the “classification”. I criticized signing Leake. I criticized signing Fowler, and criticized him once he was here.
I criticized the signing of Cecil. I criticized the signing of
Miller. I was highly critical of the appointing of Oli Marmol as manager. He didn't deserve it in any way. If they wanted to stay inside for the move, the obvious choice was Stubby.
And I was highly critical of the appointment of Dusty Blake.
I shudder every time he walks out to the mound.

But also try to counter that with finding things in the organization to be upbeat about. Like what Church was doing at Memphis before being called up. Like Mathews leading the entire minor leagues in strike outs last season,
Like what JJ has been doing as he comes through the system. Like the way McGreevy is pitching in the majors now. Glimmers of hope that we will hopefully in the near future be back on track.

Wanna try answering his question his ?, which by the way, he asked twice?

I answered him precisely. Satch knows I did. Please stay out of it. All you’re looking for is negative horse manure