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Shady wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 10:07 am

MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 21:34 pm

Shady wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 21:06 pm

MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 20:25 pm

Shady wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 15:42 pm Donovan LF, Wetherholt 2B, Burleson RF, Herrera DH, Contreras 1B, Gorman/Saggese 3B, Crooks C, Winn SS, Scott CF.

Dopey lineup. You are no better than MO. Dumb as Oli.

You are a gutless weasel. What's your lineup?

Just replace Burleson with Walker you useless garden gnome. Presto. They asked for most upside, that ain't your boy Burly. He has peaked, just getting fatter and slower. Wear it.

This reveals how clueless you are regarding hitting ability.

Shady wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 15:42 pm Donovan LF, Wetherholt 2B, Burleson RF, Herrera DH, Contreras 1B, Gorman/Saggese 3B, Crooks C, Winn SS, Scott CF.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 14:56 pm OF Donny, VS2, Walker
IF Gorman, Winn, JJW, Contreras
C Crooks/Herrera
DH Burly/Herrera

Role them out day in and day out. Sink or swim.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 07:12 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 14:56 pm OF Donny, VS2, Walker
IF Gorman, Winn, JJW, Contreras
C Crooks/Herrera
DH Burly/Herrera

Role them out day in and day out. Sink or swim.

Herrera hasn’t played catcher in 3+ months

ClassicO wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 17:08 pm Why do so many seem compelled to argue that VSII needs more time to improve his woeful hitting, ignoring the facts?
Just compare his time in AAA to that of Nathan Church, who has almost the same range in CF as Scott and a far superior arm (24 assists in minors vs Scott's 11). Then consider their college careers to see if they were ever elite hitters. It seems obvious:

Scott
AAA - .210 .294 .303 .597 in 362 PAs. Range Factor vs League 2.72 2.62
College - .254/.368/.419/.787

Church
AAA - .332/.396/.500/.896 in 213 PAs. Range Factor vs League 2.70 2.53
College - .341/.405/.515/.920

Church throwing out runner in ST: https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/video/nat ... los-santos

JDW wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 13:21 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 17:08 pm Why do so many seem compelled to argue that VSII needs more time to improve his woeful hitting, ignoring the facts?
Just compare his time in AAA to that of Nathan Church, who has almost the same range in CF as Scott and a far superior arm (24 assists in minors vs Scott's 11). Then consider their college careers to see if they were ever elite hitters. It seems obvious:

Scott
AAA - .210 .294 .303 .597 in 362 PAs. Range Factor vs League 2.72 2.62
College - .254/.368/.419/.787

Church
AAA - .332/.396/.500/.896 in 213 PAs. Range Factor vs League 2.70 2.53
College - .341/.405/.515/.920

Church throwing out runner in ST: https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/video/nat ... los-santos

So the question the OP was getting at I think was, what is the best lineup right now to try and win as many games as possibly as long as the Cards have a shot for the PO's this year, regardless of the odds being on the long side.
Imo, right now, VS2 is the CF guy for that.

Now next year, yes, to start the year I'd give VS2 some runway to show if once again he improved in the off season to keep his job, but if Church or Baez would challenge him for that spot, that'd be very sweet to see. Would love to see either one of them come in and earn the CF position. To me, it's all about improving the overall team, not the name on the back of a shirt.
For VS2, if he could just improve his OB% to at least the .320 range, he won't be that easy to beat out. His 30.6'/sec. sprint to catch that ball in late innings last night he might have made look relatively easy, but not many can close like that. Glad he was the guy out there, as that was a key play in the W.
Big fan of Baez btw, and am impressed with how Church has been playing. Quality OF depth would be ............... rare, but great to have.