Ex-NHL GM Criticizes Oilers’ Decision To Let Prized D-Man Walk Away in 2024

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Hooking wrote: 18 Aug 2025 09:02 am Hindsight makes it even worse.

Not sure why this is big news. It would be bigger news if someone thought it wasn't a steal a year later because the results are obvious - it was a steal.
The other obvious thing 1 year later....

The Blues would be trash without Broberg and Holloway. Army floated the offer sheets because he needed to do so more than it was a choice.

Some think that Army is a genius because of Broberg and Holloway. I think that Broberg and Holloway make Army look like a genius. They masked the job that Army has done to rebuild the roster using traditional means.

Which son-in-law would you rather have?
A) The guy that made a nice salary last year from a traditional job.
B) The guy that didn't prosper using traditional means, but he knew where to catch gold nuggets flying off an idiot's truck.
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a smell of green grass wrote: 18 Aug 2025 11:56 am
Hooking wrote: 18 Aug 2025 09:02 am Hindsight makes it even worse.

Not sure why this is big news. It would be bigger news if someone thought it wasn't a steal a year later because the results are obvious - it was a steal.
The other obvious thing 1 year later....

The Blues would be trash without Broberg and Holloway. Army floated the offer sheets because he needed to do so more than it was a choice.

Some think that Army is a genius because of Broberg and Holloway. I think that Broberg and Holloway make Army look like a genius. They masked the job that Army has done to rebuild the roster using traditional means.

Which son-in-law would you rather have?
A) The guy that made a nice salary last year from a traditional job.
B) The guy that didn't prosper using traditional means, but he knew where to catch gold nuggets flying off an idiot's truck.
You realize that 30 other teams had the opportunity to do exactly what Army did and passed right?
What does that say about the other GMs in the league?
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StlFanInVA wrote: 07 Aug 2025 14:22 pm
a smell of green grass wrote: 07 Aug 2025 07:18 am No one in the NHL thinks much about the Blues win. However, they can't take their eyes off the one that Edmonton lost.

In the history books, Army and St Louis will be known more for the Stanley Cup that they stole from Edmonton (and the greatest duo ever) than the one that they won for themselves.

Kinda (bleep) IMO.

I would much rather have the GM that builds his team through the draft instead of stealing from other's benches.
Alright Smelly, put your money where you mouth is. I'd be willing to bet that the Blues win another cup before they draft in the top 5!

The Blues top end talent is good enough to compete with the elite and the overwhelming depth of (at least) second liners forthcoming (in the next few years) will enable them to roll 4 lines similar to 2019. The 'D' is better than you think.

Broberg was developing amazingly well before his injury. I don't believe he was ever back to 100% after the injury and have very high expectations this year as i believe his (early/pre-injury) play really helped to spark Parayko's offensive breakout - which also built off the addition of Fowler.
I have asked him multiple times how he proposes the Blues get a top five pick he keeps begging for. He then has to admit that there is no path to get what he wants. Why keep asking for things that are not possible?
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Bubble4427 wrote: 18 Aug 2025 19:00 pm
a smell of green grass wrote: 18 Aug 2025 11:56 am
Hooking wrote: 18 Aug 2025 09:02 am Hindsight makes it even worse.

Not sure why this is big news. It would be bigger news if someone thought it wasn't a steal a year later because the results are obvious - it was a steal.
The other obvious thing 1 year later....

The Blues would be trash without Broberg and Holloway. Army floated the offer sheets because he needed to do so more than it was a choice.

Some think that Army is a genius because of Broberg and Holloway. I think that Broberg and Holloway make Army look like a genius. They masked the job that Army has done to rebuild the roster using traditional means.

Which son-in-law would you rather have?
A) The guy that made a nice salary last year from a traditional job.
B) The guy that didn't prosper using traditional means, but he knew where to catch gold nuggets flying off an idiot's truck.
You realize that 30 other teams had the opportunity to do exactly what Army did and passed right?
What does that say about the other GMs in the league?
The other 30 were happy to know that their daughter married the man that knew how to build a roster in a traditional way, and stayed away from the desperate gambler named Army that can't succeed using traditional roster-building techniques.
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a smell of green grass wrote: 18 Aug 2025 20:45 pm
Bubble4427 wrote: 18 Aug 2025 19:00 pm
a smell of green grass wrote: 18 Aug 2025 11:56 am
Hooking wrote: 18 Aug 2025 09:02 am Hindsight makes it even worse.

Not sure why this is big news. It would be bigger news if someone thought it wasn't a steal a year later because the results are obvious - it was a steal.
The other obvious thing 1 year later....

The Blues would be trash without Broberg and Holloway. Army floated the offer sheets because he needed to do so more than it was a choice.

Some think that Army is a genius because of Broberg and Holloway. I think that Broberg and Holloway make Army look like a genius. They masked the job that Army has done to rebuild the roster using traditional means.

Which son-in-law would you rather have?
A) The guy that made a nice salary last year from a traditional job.
B) The guy that didn't prosper using traditional means, but he knew where to catch gold nuggets flying off an idiot's truck.
You realize that 30 other teams had the opportunity to do exactly what Army did and passed right?
What does that say about the other GMs in the league?
The other 30 were happy to know that their daughter married the man that knew how to build a roster in a traditional way, and stayed away from the desperate gambler named Army that can't succeed using traditional roster-building techniques.
There are MANY ways to build a roster.
1. Build through the draft
2. Signing UFA’s (Suter)
3 Signing RFA’s (Broberg/Holloway)
4.Trade for players

If a GM doesn’t utilize all of these avenues….they are not doing their job. I expect more from a GM and Army does all 4 of these regularly. You should expect the same, but I get it….You are a build through the draft by tanking guy. Again, follow the Ducks this season…..and the Pirates in Baseball, and the Jaguars in Football.
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Bubble4427 wrote: 18 Aug 2025 20:58 pm
a smell of green grass wrote: 18 Aug 2025 20:45 pm
Bubble4427 wrote: 18 Aug 2025 19:00 pm
a smell of green grass wrote: 18 Aug 2025 11:56 am
Hooking wrote: 18 Aug 2025 09:02 am Hindsight makes it even worse.

Not sure why this is big news. It would be bigger news if someone thought it wasn't a steal a year later because the results are obvious - it was a steal.
The other obvious thing 1 year later....

The Blues would be trash without Broberg and Holloway. Army floated the offer sheets because he needed to do so more than it was a choice.

Some think that Army is a genius because of Broberg and Holloway. I think that Broberg and Holloway make Army look like a genius. They masked the job that Army has done to rebuild the roster using traditional means.

Which son-in-law would you rather have?
A) The guy that made a nice salary last year from a traditional job.
B) The guy that didn't prosper using traditional means, but he knew where to catch gold nuggets flying off an idiot's truck.
You realize that 30 other teams had the opportunity to do exactly what Army did and passed right?
What does that say about the other GMs in the league?
The other 30 were happy to know that their daughter married the man that knew how to build a roster in a traditional way, and stayed away from the desperate gambler named Army that can't succeed using traditional roster-building techniques.
There are MANY ways to build a roster.
1. Build through the draft
2. Signing UFA’s (Suter)
3 Signing RFA’s (Broberg/Holloway)
4.Trade for players

If a GM doesn’t utilize all of these avenues….they are not doing their job. I expect more from a GM and Army does all 4 of these regularly. You should expect the same, but I get it….You are a build through the draft by tanking guy. Again, follow the Ducks this season…..and the Pirates in Baseball, and the Jaguars in Football.
The Panthers and the Oilers have 2 TOP5 picks on their roster. Most teams have at least 1 TOP5 pick (that they selected) on their roster. The Blues are one of the very few teams that do not have at least one. Some on here believe that Thomas and Kyrou are nearly equal McDavid and Draisitl if captured in the right light. The Blues are stuck on good, and they will never progress to great without having marquis talent of their side.
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a smell of green grass wrote: 18 Aug 2025 22:37 pm
Bubble4427 wrote: 18 Aug 2025 20:58 pm
a smell of green grass wrote: 18 Aug 2025 20:45 pm
Bubble4427 wrote: 18 Aug 2025 19:00 pm
a smell of green grass wrote: 18 Aug 2025 11:56 am
Hooking wrote: 18 Aug 2025 09:02 am Hindsight makes it even worse.

Not sure why this is big news. It would be bigger news if someone thought it wasn't a steal a year later because the results are obvious - it was a steal.
The other obvious thing 1 year later....

The Blues would be trash without Broberg and Holloway. Army floated the offer sheets because he needed to do so more than it was a choice.

Some think that Army is a genius because of Broberg and Holloway. I think that Broberg and Holloway make Army look like a genius. They masked the job that Army has done to rebuild the roster using traditional means.

Which son-in-law would you rather have?
A) The guy that made a nice salary last year from a traditional job.
B) The guy that didn't prosper using traditional means, but he knew where to catch gold nuggets flying off an idiot's truck.
You realize that 30 other teams had the opportunity to do exactly what Army did and passed right?
What does that say about the other GMs in the league?
The other 30 were happy to know that their daughter married the man that knew how to build a roster in a traditional way, and stayed away from the desperate gambler named Army that can't succeed using traditional roster-building techniques.
There are MANY ways to build a roster.
1. Build through the draft
2. Signing UFA’s (Suter)
3 Signing RFA’s (Broberg/Holloway)
4.Trade for players

If a GM doesn’t utilize all of these avenues….they are not doing their job. I expect more from a GM and Army does all 4 of these regularly. You should expect the same, but I get it….You are a build through the draft by tanking guy. Again, follow the Ducks this season…..and the Pirates in Baseball, and the Jaguars in Football.
The Panthers and the Oilers have 2 TOP5 picks on their roster. Most teams have at least 1 TOP5 pick (that they selected) on their roster. The Blues are one of the very few teams that do not have at least one. Some on here believe that Thomas and Kyrou are nearly equal McDavid and Draisitl if captured in the right light. The Blues are stuck on good, and they will never progress to great without having marquis talent of their side.
The Panthers top five scorers from last years playoffs weren’t even drafted by the Panthers. They were acquired by other avenues Again, it’s what great GMs do.

You seem to run whenever that fact is presented to you.

How many top 5 picks have the Ducks had?
How many have the Blackhawks had?
What about the Sharks?
The Pirates draft top 5 every year and they lose every year.
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Bubble4427 wrote: 18 Aug 2025 22:45 pm The Panthers top five scorers from last years playoffs weren’t even drafted by the Panthers.
Barkov, their best player, was.
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theograce wrote: 18 Aug 2025 22:51 pm
Bubble4427 wrote: 18 Aug 2025 22:45 pm The Panthers top five scorers from last years playoffs weren’t even drafted by the Panthers.
Barkov, their best player, was.
This was posted 10 days ago by another poster in a GM thread….

The Florida Panthers would like a word

Calgary basically won Florida Cups with Bennett and Tkachuk.

'24-'25 Panther Cup scoring leaders...6 out of their top 8 points leaders were acquired NOT drafted by Florida. Only Barkov (ahem..6 goals) and Lundell were drafted by the Panthers in this mix. In fact the top 5 Panther playoff goal scorers were all ACQUIRED

(I was too (bleep) lazy to look it up. But unless you believe that the only way to build a team is to tank and to only build through the draft ….then butt out. But I get it, it’s what a narcissist does.)
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Bubble4427 wrote: 18 Aug 2025 23:12 pm Calgary basically won Florida Cups with Bennett and Tkachuk.
Florida is among the deepest and most competitive teams in history. They added a ton of elite players beyond those 2.
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theograce wrote: 19 Aug 2025 00:26 am
Bubble4427 wrote: 18 Aug 2025 23:12 pm Calgary basically won Florida Cups with Bennett and Tkachuk.
Florida is among the deepest and most competitive teams in history. They added a ton of elite players beyond those 2.
That was not my post…that was another posters, and anyone with half a brain knew what he was getting at.
Florida is stacked…..but they built the majority of their team through other acquisitions besides the draft.
Smelly Green a55 thinks tanking and drafting top 5 is the only way to win.
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Bubble4427 wrote: 19 Aug 2025 08:24 am
theograce wrote: 19 Aug 2025 00:26 am
Bubble4427 wrote: 18 Aug 2025 23:12 pm Calgary basically won Florida Cups with Bennett and Tkachuk.
Florida is among the deepest and most competitive teams in history. They added a ton of elite players beyond those 2.
That was not my post…that was another posters, and anyone with half a brain knew what he was getting at.
Florida is stacked…..but they built the majority of their team through other acquisitions besides the draft.
Smelly Green a55 thinks tanking and drafting top 5 is the only way to win.
The other way that Army wins…
Pietrangelo for the 6-year of misfit toys, the latest being Jiricek and Mailloux.
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theograce wrote: 19 Aug 2025 00:26 am
Bubble4427 wrote: 18 Aug 2025 23:12 pm Calgary basically won Florida Cups with Bennett and Tkachuk.
Florida is among the deepest and most competitive teams in history. They added a ton of elite players beyond those 2.
I just stumbled on this. Theo, no way, expansion, free agency, and the salary cap prevents teams from stocking up on talent the way they could decades ago. I started following hockey in 67-68, teams like Montreal, the Orr era Bruins, even into the 80's with the Islanders and Oilers, those teams were MUCH deeper. Blues GMs picked up Canadiens scraps for a couple of decades, guys like Phil Roberto, Chuck Lefley, et al.

If you want to qualify that as post-lockout then I'd say yeah, good case, but only inclusive of their deadline moves. In today's NHL Cup competing teams try to plug their roster holes at the deadline then realign over the summer. In Florida's case they are riding a wave of astute pickups, it will all come crashing down when their core injures or ages out.
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Bubble4427 wrote: 19 Aug 2025 08:24 am
theograce wrote: 19 Aug 2025 00:26 am
Bubble4427 wrote: 18 Aug 2025 23:12 pm Calgary basically won Florida Cups with Bennett and Tkachuk.
Florida is among the deepest and most competitive teams in history. They added a ton of elite players beyond those 2.
That was not my post…that was another posters, and anyone with half a brain knew what he was getting at.
Florida is stacked…..but they built the majority of their team through other acquisitions besides the draft.
Smelly Green a55 thinks tanking and drafting top 5 is the only way to win.
Well why even read what he puts down…let alone talk about it?
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