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This will make everyone puke:Ordinary Man wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 12:18 pmHe's in his 10th mlb season and is currently 70-73 overall, 3 teams. He is 66-67 (4.15 era) with us. So yeah, 7 wins a season and making big bucks. He DOES pitch a lot of innings, unfortunately a lot of those innings are not good.
Actually happy he got 200 wins, but the situation is completely the same. The organization was already in a don’t care about winning atmosphere. They are no longer a major league organization, except for price.Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 08:55 amI'm glad he got 200 wins on a last place team.
It's almost as if it's two completely different situations, with two completely different circumstances
There is nothing the same about Adam Wainwright, legend, Cardinal HOF and WS hero. On a last place team (2023) with nothing to play for, it made sense both (1) Not to DFA him. He didn't deserve that embarrassment on a team with nothing to play for. (2) A chance at 200 winsBraund241 wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 12:48 pmActually happy he got 200 wins, but the situation is completely the same. The organization was already in a don’t care about winning atmosphere. They are no longer a major league organization, except for price.Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 08:55 amI'm glad he got 200 wins on a last place team.
It's almost as if it's two completely different situations, with two completely different circumstances
I agree. They should give his starts to Leahy. Build him up. If he can give 3-4 innings that would be fine. If Leahy has a bad start and they are behind, bring in Mikolas to eat the rest of the game. If they are 4 good innings, the team has a chance and it won't burn up the bullpen anymore than a Mikolas start...rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 09:11 amHere's what you got from those 4 starts:sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 08:47 am Here’s my thought. 3 of the 4 prior starts, he pitched into the sixth inning; as a number five, in a rebuild, with no one to call up.
You’ll see him five days from now.
6.00 ERA
6.83 FiP
No need for an "innings eating" batting practice pitcher on a going nowhere .500 team BDog.
These starts need to be going to young pitchers allowing them to 1) get major league experience and 2) be evaluated by C. Bloom.
That's a great thought!ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 13:10 pmI agree. They should give his starts to Leahy. Build him up. If he can give 3-4 innings that would be fine. If Leahy has a bad start and they are behind, bring in Mikolas to eat the rest of the game. If they are 4 good innings, the team has a chance and it won't burn up the bullpen anymore than a Mikolas start...rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 09:11 amHere's what you got from those 4 starts:sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 08:47 am Here’s my thought. 3 of the 4 prior starts, he pitched into the sixth inning; as a number five, in a rebuild, with no one to call up.
You’ll see him five days from now.
6.00 ERA
6.83 FiP
No need for an "innings eating" batting practice pitcher on a going nowhere .500 team BDog.
These starts need to be going to young pitchers allowing them to 1) get major league experience and 2) be evaluated by C. Bloom.
1) It was a mistake to start Waino.
Two nonconsecutive good seasons, mind you. They were four years apart. Which makes the extension even dumber.RichieRichSTL wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 13:47 pm1) It was a mistake to start Waino.
2) Waino has helped this team to win a WS, nearly win another, make countless playoff appearances
Mikolas hasn't done sh*t except leverage two good seasons into 10s of millions and a mediocre record.
And both times Mo rushed to extend him when he had one year left on his deals.Strummer Jones wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 14:03 pmTwo nonconsecutive good seasons, mind you. They were four years apart. Which makes the extension even dumber.RichieRichSTL wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 13:47 pm1) It was a mistake to start Waino.
2) Waino has helped this team to win a WS, nearly win another, make countless playoff appearances
Mikolas hasn't done sh*t except leverage two good seasons into 10s of millions and a mediocre record.
He had a great 1st year back from Japan.Ordinary Man wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 12:03 pmOne other thing of note. His first season here he pitched 200 innings with a sub 3 era and an 18-4 record. Yeah, I know an 18-4 record apparently doesn't mean anything anymore, but still. The rest of his tenure has been rather pedestrian. And the eat shirt thing didn't age well, did it?Bomber1 wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 11:57 amAgree with most except “Mikolas has done nothing here of note”.Strummer Jones wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 09:21 amSeason was already pretty underwater once Adam even made his first start.
Also, Adam was a legend on the team. Closed out a world series win, and pitched a heck of a lot of good seasons prior to. AND the season before, he was definitely above average.
Mikolas has done nothing here of note. He's essentially Kent Bottenfield except he never went away.
As for who to start? Well, I get not wanting to fudge around with arb clocks, but how about Wilkerson in AAA? Or that other guy they signed out of the Mexican leagues. I don't expect much, but they can't be worse. I've also been hearing a little scuttlebutt on Leahy starting, possibly. I mean, heck, if we're only going to get three innings out of this spot, why not make it three innings of likely decent pitching?
He said he would like to tell the fans to eat [shirt].
That was noteworthy and not in a good way!
Sounds like a good time to buy low and extend him!
I can kind of understand the first extension. But that second one is a doozy.Bomber1 wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 14:58 pmHe had a great 1st year back from Japan.Ordinary Man wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 12:03 pmOne other thing of note. His first season here he pitched 200 innings with a sub 3 era and an 18-4 record. Yeah, I know an 18-4 record apparently doesn't mean anything anymore, but still. The rest of his tenure has been rather pedestrian. And the eat shirt thing didn't age well, did it?Bomber1 wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 11:57 amAgree with most except “Mikolas has done nothing here of note”.Strummer Jones wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 09:21 amSeason was already pretty underwater once Adam even made his first start.
Also, Adam was a legend on the team. Closed out a world series win, and pitched a heck of a lot of good seasons prior to. AND the season before, he was definitely above average.
Mikolas has done nothing here of note. He's essentially Kent Bottenfield except he never went away.
As for who to start? Well, I get not wanting to fudge around with arb clocks, but how about Wilkerson in AAA? Or that other guy they signed out of the Mexican leagues. I don't expect much, but they can't be worse. I've also been hearing a little scuttlebutt on Leahy starting, possibly. I mean, heck, if we're only going to get three innings out of this spot, why not make it three innings of likely decent pitching?
He said he would like to tell the fans to eat [shirt].
That was noteworthy and not in a good way!
So despite being under contract for the following season Mozeliak gave him a 3-year extension.
I’m not in favor of any scheme that turns our bullpen into a meat grinder. Either bring up or sign a true stretched out starter and plug them into the rotation, or finish the season with MM.rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 13:14 pmThat's a great thought!ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 13:10 pmI agree. They should give his starts to Leahy. Build him up. If he can give 3-4 innings that would be fine. If Leahy has a bad start and they are behind, bring in Mikolas to eat the rest of the game. If they are 4 good innings, the team has a chance and it won't burn up the bullpen anymore than a Mikolas start...rockondlouie wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 09:11 amHere's what you got from those 4 starts:sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025 08:47 am Here’s my thought. 3 of the 4 prior starts, he pitched into the sixth inning; as a number five, in a rebuild, with no one to call up.
You’ll see him five days from now.
6.00 ERA
6.83 FiP
No need for an "innings eating" batting practice pitcher on a going nowhere .500 team BDog.
These starts need to be going to young pitchers allowing them to 1) get major league experience and 2) be evaluated by C. Bloom.
Let Leahy throw those 3-4-5 innings....see what he can do........and Bloom can use that info as prep for 2026.