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Posted: **03 Aug 2025 11:19 am**

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 16:14 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 12:18 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 12:10 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 12:04 pm
Shady wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:34 am If he maintains something close to his current stats.12 HR, 62 RBIs,.308 BA .377 OBP, .872 OPS. Would it take an injury or two to current 1B, 3B players for Jordan to get his opportunity this season? It appears the Cardinals have another fine 22 year-old prospect, like Wetherholt, coming along.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he made the team coming out of ST next season.
He should play everyday in AAA without question
Play everyday in AAA next year? If he finishes strong this year I agree with Cranny. It will be interesting to see how he does.

Overall he’s been pretty strong in AAA.

First 16 games: .348/.377/.591 8 2B 2 HR 12 RBI 14 R 3 BB-8 K
10 game slump: .162 with a .468 OPS over 40 PA. 3 BB-6 K
Last 17 games: .344/.382/.531 3 2B 3 HR 11 RBI 12 R 4 BB-5 K

He just doesn’t strikeout. He’s had 2 games. TWO. all year where he’s had more than 1 K.

That’s impressive for a 22 year old in AA/AAA. Both were in AAA though. One was when he was hot, one was when he was not. Both games were 2 strikeouts, too. So no 3+ K days.

2 games with 2+ Ks
34 games with 1 K
52 games with 0 K
OK, to be very clear... I'm not benching Willson Contreras so that Blaze Jordan can play in 2026.

So since there isn't a clear path to playing time at 1B, I'm not putting a 23 year old Blaze Jordan on the bench... especially when he's shown growth at each level. Let him go back to AAA, show that next jump, and play everyday. He isn't getting better on the bench in the majors.

This is how a Luken Baker is made.

Posted: **03 Aug 2025 11:19 am**

Starting at 1B for Memphis today. Wasn't impressed by his play at 3B yesterday, so we'll see how he handles 1st

Posted: **03 Aug 2025 11:48 am**

Where MO seems to be still in the gathering more information phase on each player
and letting it play out. I wonder where Bloom is in the process.

It's incredibly intertwined at almost every position.
Jordan will get a shot as part of the future plans as will JJ. They do not target him
in a trade otherwise and he was targeted. Is that 2 less infield
spots? IF Donnie and Burleson are competing for a OF spot do you keep Burleson?

Who's the C and the OFer? They are all cheap so little separation there. IF it's all
rookies or unknown production then a repeat may happen. They'll keep Winn and
likely VS2 as he at worst is a 4th OFer with a glove who shows up. Pitching probably
is kept, they'll need more. After that everyone here probably has more insight.

Posted: **03 Aug 2025 13:12 pm**

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 11:19 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 16:14 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 12:18 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 12:10 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 12:04 pm
Shady wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:34 am If he maintains something close to his current stats.12 HR, 62 RBIs,.308 BA .377 OBP, .872 OPS. Would it take an injury or two to current 1B, 3B players for Jordan to get his opportunity this season? It appears the Cardinals have another fine 22 year-old prospect, like Wetherholt, coming along.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he made the team coming out of ST next season.
He should play everyday in AAA without question
Play everyday in AAA next year? If he finishes strong this year I agree with Cranny. It will be interesting to see how he does.

Overall he’s been pretty strong in AAA.

First 16 games: .348/.377/.591 8 2B 2 HR 12 RBI 14 R 3 BB-8 K
10 game slump: .162 with a .468 OPS over 40 PA. 3 BB-6 K
Last 17 games: .344/.382/.531 3 2B 3 HR 11 RBI 12 R 4 BB-5 K

He just doesn’t strikeout. He’s had 2 games. TWO. all year where he’s had more than 1 K.

That’s impressive for a 22 year old in AA/AAA. Both were in AAA though. One was when he was hot, one was when he was not. Both games were 2 strikeouts, too. So no 3+ K days.

2 games with 2+ Ks
34 games with 1 K
52 games with 0 K
OK, to be very clear... I'm not benching Willson Contreras so that Blaze Jordan can play in 2026.

So since there isn't a clear path to playing time at 1B, I'm not putting a 23 year old Blaze Jordan on the bench... especially when he's shown growth at each level. Let him go back to AAA, show that next jump, and play everyday. He isn't getting better on the bench in the majors.
This is how a Luken Baker is made.

A 114 wRC+ for an all bat no glove prospect through 44 games in AAA isn't demanding a call up.

Posted: **03 Aug 2025 13:32 pm**

An Old Friend wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 13:12 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 11:19 am
An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 16:14 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 12:18 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 12:10 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 12:04 pm
Shady wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:34 am If he maintains something close to his current stats.12 HR, 62 RBIs,.308 BA .377 OBP, .872 OPS. Would it take an injury or two to current 1B, 3B players for Jordan to get his opportunity this season? It appears the Cardinals have another fine 22 year-old prospect, like Wetherholt, coming along.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he made the team coming out of ST next season.
He should play everyday in AAA without question
Play everyday in AAA next year? If he finishes strong this year I agree with Cranny. It will be interesting to see how he does.

Overall he’s been pretty strong in AAA.

First 16 games: .348/.377/.591 8 2B 2 HR 12 RBI 14 R 3 BB-8 K
10 game slump: .162 with a .468 OPS over 40 PA. 3 BB-6 K
Last 17 games: .344/.382/.531 3 2B 3 HR 11 RBI 12 R 4 BB-5 K

He just doesn’t strikeout. He’s had 2 games. TWO. all year where he’s had more than 1 K.

That’s impressive for a 22 year old in AA/AAA. Both were in AAA though. One was when he was hot, one was when he was not. Both games were 2 strikeouts, too. So no 3+ K days.

2 games with 2+ Ks
34 games with 1 K
52 games with 0 K
OK, to be very clear... I'm not benching Willson Contreras so that Blaze Jordan can play in 2026.

So since there isn't a clear path to playing time at 1B, I'm not putting a 23 year old Blaze Jordan on the bench... especially when he's shown growth at each level. Let him go back to AAA, show that next jump, and play everyday. He isn't getting better on the bench in the majors.
This is how a Luken Baker is made.
A 114 wRC+ for an all bat no glove prospect through 44 games in AAA isn't demanding a call up.

Probably correct for 2025.
Regardless what we think of the player, he was targeted. He was targeted while having this very roster
both he and JJ will get a long run when brought up and that isn't a long time from now.

He'll get far more run than Luken.

Posted: **03 Aug 2025 13:39 pm**

MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:56 am
Shady wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:49 am
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:47 am I’m a Blaze Jordan fan. Please don’t Alec Burleson him.
We can only hope Jordan can be the type of MLB hitter Burleson has turned out to be. Think about how true this is before you post a stupid response.
Burleson not a guy who is a run producer. Just a guy or JAG. Jordan can and possibly will exceed the Burly production.

This is silly.

Burleson is hitting an outstanding .284 (about 40 points higher than league average). A healthy .340 OPB and at 124 OPS+ is 24% better than the league average hitter. He's one of the only guys on the team with power too.

I don't get the hate. Blaze Jordan had a .696 OPS against AA pitching last year, .747 against AA total. At AAA he has an okay .805 OPS.

Burleson's major league numbers are currently better than Blaze does against minor league pitching. How on earth does that point, in anyway shape or form, to Jordan likely exceeding Burly's production.

All of baseball history, as well as logic, would conclude Blaze will do worse against big league pitching than Minor league pitching.

Also, Burleson was a better minor league hitter than Blaze has been so far.

There is not one ounce that points to Blaze likely being better. We should be so lucky if he is 24% better than league average. I will bet my life savings he won't be.

Posted: **03 Aug 2025 14:55 pm**

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 13:39 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:56 am
Shady wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:49 am
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:47 am I’m a Blaze Jordan fan. Please don’t Alec Burleson him.
We can only hope Jordan can be the type of MLB hitter Burleson has turned out to be. Think about how true this is before you post a stupid response.
Burleson not a guy who is a run producer. Just a guy or JAG. Jordan can and possibly will exceed the Burly production.
This is silly.

Burleson is hitting an outstanding .284 (about 40 points higher than league average). A healthy .340 OPB and at 124 OPS+ is 24% better than the league average hitter. He's one of the only guys on the team with power too.

I don't get the hate. Blaze Jordan had a .696 OPS against AA pitching last year, .747 against AA total. At AAA he has an okay .805 OPS.

Burleson's major league numbers are currently better than Blaze does against minor league pitching. How on earth does that point, in anyway shape or form, to Jordan likely exceeding Burly's production.

All of baseball history, as well as logic, would conclude Blaze will do worse against big league pitching than Minor league pitching.

Also, Burleson was a better minor league hitter than Blaze has been so far.

There is not one ounce that points to Blaze likely being better. We should be so lucky if he is 24% better than league average. I will bet my life savings he won't be.

Fun with Shady. You either get it or you don't.

Posted: **03 Aug 2025 20:41 pm**

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 13:39 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:56 am
Shady wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:49 am
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:47 am I’m a Blaze Jordan fan. Please don’t Alec Burleson him.
We can only hope Jordan can be the type of MLB hitter Burleson has turned out to be. Think about how true this is before you post a stupid response.
Burleson not a guy who is a run producer. Just a guy or JAG. Jordan can and possibly will exceed the Burly production.
This is silly.

Burleson is hitting an outstanding .284 (about 40 points higher than league average). A healthy .340 OPB and at 124 OPS+ is 24% better than the league average hitter. He's one of the only guys on the team with power too.

I don't get the hate. Blaze Jordan had a .696 OPS against AA pitching last year, .747 against AA total. At AAA he has an okay .805 OPS.

Burleson's major league numbers are currently better than Blaze does against minor league pitching. How on earth does that point, in anyway shape or form, to Jordan likely exceeding Burly's production.

All of baseball history, as well as logic, would conclude Blaze will do worse against big league pitching than Minor league pitching.

Also, Burleson was a better minor league hitter than Blaze has been so far.

There is not one ounce that points to Blaze likely being better. We should be so lucky if he is 24% better than league average. I will bet my life savings he won't be.

You summed it up when you said Burleson is above league average as a hitter. That makes him a complimentary piece.

Posted: **03 Aug 2025 20:45 pm**

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 20:41 pm
Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 13:39 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:56 am
Shady wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:49 am
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:47 am I’m a Blaze Jordan fan. Please don’t Alec Burleson him.
We can only hope Jordan can be the type of MLB hitter Burleson has turned out to be. Think about how true this is before you post a stupid response.
Burleson not a guy who is a run producer. Just a guy or JAG. Jordan can and possibly will exceed the Burly production.
This is silly.

Burleson is hitting an outstanding .284 (about 40 points higher than league average). A healthy .340 OPB and at 124 OPS+ is 24% better than the league average hitter. He's one of the only guys on the team with power too.

I don't get the hate. Blaze Jordan had a .696 OPS against AA pitching last year, .747 against AA total. At AAA he has an okay .805 OPS.

Burleson's major league numbers are currently better than Blaze does against minor league pitching. How on earth does that point, in anyway shape or form, to Jordan likely exceeding Burly's production.

All of baseball history, as well as logic, would conclude Blaze will do worse against big league pitching than Minor league pitching.

Also, Burleson was a better minor league hitter than Blaze has been so far.

There is not one ounce that points to Blaze likely being better. We should be so lucky if he is 24% better than league average. I will bet my life savings he won't be.
You summed it up when you said Burleson is above league average as a hitter. That makes him a complimentary piece.

Do you always invent things nobody said?

I said he is 24% above league average. Every hitter above 0 is better than league average. But 24% above league average is a very good offensive performance, approaching excellent level.

I have a feeling if you could have argued what I had actually written, you wouldn't have invented something that wasn't

Posted: **03 Aug 2025 22:06 pm**

Burleson and Jordan are one trick ponies

Their defense and speed are nil

Posted: **04 Aug 2025 08:04 am**

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 13:39 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:56 am
Shady wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:49 am
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:47 am I’m a Blaze Jordan fan. Please don’t Alec Burleson him.
We can only hope Jordan can be the type of MLB hitter Burleson has turned out to be. Think about how true this is before you post a stupid response.
Burleson not a guy who is a run producer. Just a guy or JAG. Jordan can and possibly will exceed the Burly production.
This is silly.

Burleson is hitting an outstanding .284 (about 40 points higher than league average). A healthy .340 OPB and at 124 OPS+ is 24% better than the league average hitter. He's one of the only guys on the team with power too.

I don't get the hate. Blaze Jordan had a .696 OPS against AA pitching last year, .747 against AA total. At AAA he has an okay .805 OPS.

Burleson's major league numbers are currently better than Blaze does against minor league pitching. How on earth does that point, in anyway shape or form, to Jordan likely exceeding Burly's production.

All of baseball history, as well as logic, would conclude Blaze will do worse against big league pitching than Minor league pitching.

Also, Burleson was a better minor league hitter than Blaze has been so far.

There is not one ounce that points to Blaze likely being better. We should be so lucky if he is 24% better than league average. I will bet my life savings he won't be.

As to whether Burly is a run producer, here's a comp between Burly, VS2 and Noot as a run producer, using the old runs scored plus RBI's minus HR's since HR's are counted twice.

Burly: 39 runs + 49 RBI's - 14 = 74 in 101 games and 345 BA's.
Noot: 50 runs + 38 RBI's - 12 = 76 in 90 games and 336 AB's.
VS2: 47 runs + 33 RBI's - 5 = 75 in 106 games and 330 AB's.

So all 3 of these OF'ers have produced about the same with run production this season using these old math numbers as a gauge, which I used to use when about 10 yrs. old when getting the Sunday Des Moines register sports section. Now I use WAR and other metrics, but have seen on here many seem to prefer the old comp measures like this one.
Get tired of hearing how only Burly produces any offense for the Cards, when in actuality, he's no more productive than the other 2 guys who have started the most in the OF this season with both of them playing better defense.

Posted: **04 Aug 2025 08:07 am**

JDW wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:04 am
Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 13:39 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:56 am
Shady wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:49 am
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:47 am I’m a Blaze Jordan fan. Please don’t Alec Burleson him.
We can only hope Jordan can be the type of MLB hitter Burleson has turned out to be. Think about how true this is before you post a stupid response.
Burleson not a guy who is a run producer. Just a guy or JAG. Jordan can and possibly will exceed the Burly production.
This is silly.

Burleson is hitting an outstanding .284 (about 40 points higher than league average). A healthy .340 OPB and at 124 OPS+ is 24% better than the league average hitter. He's one of the only guys on the team with power too.

I don't get the hate. Blaze Jordan had a .696 OPS against AA pitching last year, .747 against AA total. At AAA he has an okay .805 OPS.

Burleson's major league numbers are currently better than Blaze does against minor league pitching. How on earth does that point, in anyway shape or form, to Jordan likely exceeding Burly's production.

All of baseball history, as well as logic, would conclude Blaze will do worse against big league pitching than Minor league pitching.

Also, Burleson was a better minor league hitter than Blaze has been so far.

There is not one ounce that points to Blaze likely being better. We should be so lucky if he is 24% better than league average. I will bet my life savings he won't be.
As to whether Burly is a run producer, here's a comp between Burly, VS2 and Noot as a run producer, using the old runs scored plus RBI's minus HR's since HR's are counted twice.

Burly: 39 runs + 49 RBI's - 14 = 74 in 101 games and 345 BA's.
Noot: 50 runs + 38 RBI's - 12 = 76 in 90 games and 336 AB's.
VS2: 47 runs + 33 RBI's - 5 = 75 in 106 games and 330 AB's.

So all 3 of these OF'ers have produced about the same with run production this season using these old math numbers as a gauge, which I used to use when about 10 yrs. old when getting the Sunday Des Moines register sports section. Now I use WAR and other metrics, but have seen on here many seem to prefer the old comp measures like this one.
Get tired of hearing how only Burly produces any offense for the Cards, when in actuality, he's no more productive than the other 2 guys who have started the most in the OF this season with both of them playing better defense.

sorry, but if this 'math' shows VS is equal to the other 2 its flawed math .. at best

Posted: **04 Aug 2025 08:19 am**

Shady wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 12:20 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 12:18 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 12:10 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 12:04 pm
Shady wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:34 am If he maintains something close to his current stats.12 HR, 62 RBIs,.308 BA .377 OBP, .872 OPS. Would it take an injury or two to current 1B, 3B players for Jordan to get his opportunity this season? It appears the Cardinals have another fine 22 year-old prospect, like Wetherholt, coming along.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he made the team coming out of ST next season.
He should play everyday in AAA without question
Play everyday in AAA next year? If he finishes strong this year I agree with Cranny. It will be interesting to see how he does.

Overall he’s been pretty strong in AAA.

First 16 games: .348/.377/.591 8 2B 2 HR 12 RBI 14 R 3 BB-8 K
10 game slump: .162 with a .468 OPS over 40 PA. 3 BB-6 K
Last 17 games: .344/.382/.531 3 2B 3 HR 11 RBI 12 R 4 BB-5 K

He just doesn’t strikeout. He’s had 2 games. TWO. all year where he’s had more than 1 K.

That’s impressive for a 22 year old in AA/AAA. Both were in AAA though. One was when he was hot, one was when he was not. Both games were 2 strikeouts, too. So no 3+ K days.
"He just doesn’t strikeout. He’s had 2 games. TWO. all year where he’s had more than 1 K". That is impressive, indeed.

Burly’s bat plays well in a lineup with two thumpers ahead of him, not with him as one of the top thumpers. I also think that Bloom will try hard to get Nado and Contreras to wave their NTCs this offseason. We’ve got a glut of infielders here and on the way.

Posted: **04 Aug 2025 08:25 am**

MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:56 am
Shady wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:49 am
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:47 am I’m a Blaze Jordan fan. Please don’t Alec Burleson him.
We can only hope Jordan can be the type of MLB hitter Burleson has turned out to be. Think about how true this is before you post a stupid response.
Burleson not a guy who is a run producer. Just a guy or JAG. Jordan can and possibly will exceed the Burly production.

I like Burleson. He’s a good hitter, but he’s not a power hitter. The Cardinals need a power hitter, a 30+ HR guy.

Posted: **04 Aug 2025 08:58 am**

JDW wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:04 am
Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 13:39 pm
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:56 am
Shady wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:49 am
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 11:47 am I’m a Blaze Jordan fan. Please don’t Alec Burleson him.
We can only hope Jordan can be the type of MLB hitter Burleson has turned out to be. Think about how true this is before you post a stupid response.
Burleson not a guy who is a run producer. Just a guy or JAG. Jordan can and possibly will exceed the Burly production.
This is silly.

Burleson is hitting an outstanding .284 (about 40 points higher than league average). A healthy .340 OPB and at 124 OPS+ is 24% better than the league average hitter. He's one of the only guys on the team with power too.

I don't get the hate. Blaze Jordan had a .696 OPS against AA pitching last year, .747 against AA total. At AAA he has an okay .805 OPS.

Burleson's major league numbers are currently better than Blaze does against minor league pitching. How on earth does that point, in anyway shape or form, to Jordan likely exceeding Burly's production.

All of baseball history, as well as logic, would conclude Blaze will do worse against big league pitching than Minor league pitching.

Also, Burleson was a better minor league hitter than Blaze has been so far.

There is not one ounce that points to Blaze likely being better. We should be so lucky if he is 24% better than league average. I will bet my life savings he won't be.
As to whether Burly is a run producer, here's a comp between Burly, VS2 and Noot as a run producer, using the old runs scored plus RBI's minus HR's since HR's are counted twice.

Burly: 39 runs + 49 RBI's - 14 = 74 in 101 games and 345 BA's.
Noot: 50 runs + 38 RBI's - 12 = 76 in 90 games and 336 AB's.
VS2: 47 runs + 33 RBI's - 5 = 75 in 106 games and 330 AB's.

So all 3 of these OF'ers have produced about the same with run production this season using these old math numbers as a gauge, which I used to use when about 10 yrs. old when getting the Sunday Des Moines register sports section. Now I use WAR and other metrics, but have seen on here many seem to prefer the old comp measures like this one.
Get tired of hearing how only Burly produces any offense for the Cards, when in actuality, he's no more productive than the other 2 guys who have started the most in the OF this season with both of them playing better defense.

You just referenced two players that aren't even hitting league average.

99 and 79 OPS+

And I have no idea what Noot and VS2 have to do with comparing Burly to Blaze Jordan.

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