Column: What if St. Louis had kept Alex Pietrangelo?

[blues2112]

I wonder if it has occurred to Army yet that he let the one player go that he can never replace -- BECAUSE HIS TEAM WINS MORE MEANINGLESS GAMES IN MARCH AND APRIL THAN EVERY OTHER NHL TEAM.

And if you think that the replacing a RHD is impossibly costly, just wait until you see how hard it will ultimately be to find a 2C. Anybody remember the Kevin Hayes debacle?

ALL players are replaceable, in time. Edmonton won a Cup without Gretzky, Detroit won several without Howe, Pittsburgh won without Lemieux, Chicago won without Mikita, Montreal won without LaFleur, etc.

Do you not realize how ridiculous your post is?

Sure, the Oilers won without Gretzky, but they replaced his production with Klima and Joe Murphy. The Wings won with HOFers like Federov, Hull, Shanahan, Haskell. The Penguins replaced Lemieux with Sidney Crosby. It matters who the replacements are.

Salary cap has nothing to do with it?

Also, for those who mentioned Faulk and Kyrou having NMCs, that's wrong.

As for Avs in 2021-22, Blues gave them as much fight as anyone. Avs went 16-4 in the PLAYOFFS! That pace in a regular season would be 134 points.

Lastly, Blues didn't "let Petro go." He was under no contract and opted for a new team. No fault on either side; two sides unable to agree to. business deal. Good grief.

[sdaltons]

I wonder if it has occurred to Army yet that he let the one player go that he can never replace -- BECAUSE HIS TEAM WINS MORE MEANINGLESS GAMES IN MARCH AND APRIL THAN EVERY OTHER NHL TEAM.

And if you think that the replacing a RHD is impossibly costly, just wait until you see how hard it will ultimately be to find a 2C. Anybody remember the Kevin Hayes debacle?

ALL players are replaceable, in time. Edmonton won a Cup without Gretzky, Detroit won several without Howe, Pittsburgh won without Lemieux, Chicago won without Mikita, Montreal won without LaFleur, etc.

Do you not realize how ridiculous your post is?

Sure, the Oilers won without Gretzky, but they replaced his production with Klima and Joe Murphy. The Wings won with HOFers like Federov, Hull, Shanahan, Haskell. The Penguins replaced Lemieux with Sidney Crosby. It matters who the replacements are.

Loved Haskell when he was on the Wings!

[Chubbs0910]

One of the biggest blunders is Stl sports history.

Let the only cup captain in history walk and compound it by signing an undersized offensive specialist for 45m over 7 years.

[netboy65]

One of the biggest blunders is Stl sports history.

Let the only cup captain in history walk and compound it by signing an undersized offensive specialist for 45m over 7 years.

If they said, no we’re not making you an offer, that’s letting him walk. The Blues made a fair and competitive offer and he chose Vegas. It happens.

[Harry S Deals]

One of the biggest blunders is Stl sports history.

Let the only cup captain in history walk and compound it by signing an undersized offensive specialist for 45m over 7 years.

Your recollection is incorrect. The Blues did make an offer i believe it was 8x$8 with some kind of NMC/NTC protection. AP wanted massive signing bonus which insolates his income and my opinion is he was turned off by the Blues lack of urgency or respect perhaps while negotiating. On the Blue side it was the fact that they already knew because of APs agent and early demands that AP was going to be hard to keep so the Blues offered a frame work and APs camp felt like there werent enough details and APs camp also knew they werent getting the signing bonus portion in STL. It is what it is.
My view is with or without AP the trajectory of the franchise wasnt changing that much. They were still tearing everything but AP down veteran wise and going young. They would have traded Parayko because they couldnt have kept both CP and AP on the RHD side making pretty big money they also had Faulk. Its in the past for me, meh. Moving on now to being excited about Broberg, Tucker, Maillouix, Jiricek, Lindstein and others

[Chubbs0910]

Its the GM's job to get hard deals done.

In this case Army dropped the ball then panic signed Krug to a terrible deal. You cant argue with the results, no matter how many excuses are made.

At least Army admits it.

"I understand who does the work in an organization. It’s the guys on the ice. If I could go back in time to make that work, I would have done it. It didn’t work and I’m disappointed in it." –Doug Armstrong, Blues GM

"There’s not a day that goes by and see those statues outside the arena, and it doesn’t cross my mind that he should have one." –Doug Armstrong, Blues GM 

[Cahokanut]

False premise. The NMC wasn't the hang-up, it was reportedly the amount and structure of the bonus payments in a time of great uncertainty. In the end it was Pietrangelo who turned down the offer from the Blues, as was his right. He was not the Blues player to be "kept", he was a UFA.

This type of stuff is what gives journalism today a bad reputation.

"Obviously, the NMC played a big role" Andy strickland.

It probably would of took 700 words to explain all that went down. Expecting that detail of a story about something else isn't rational and blows of a bias.
I'm betting you don't hold these same standard for your favorite media.

AnyHoo. Army disrespected Petro from the beginning. Towards the end, no one would of felt welcome. Something army has done to about everyone who had more fans then him.

[netboy65]

Its the GM's job to get hard deals done.

In this case Army dropped the ball then panic signed Krug to a terrible deal. You cant argue with the results, no matter how many excuses are made.

At least Army admits it.

"I understand who does the work in an organization. It’s the guys on the ice. If I could go back in time to make that work, I would have done it. It didn’t work and I’m disappointed in it." –Doug Armstrong, Blues GM

"There’s not a day that goes by and see those statues outside the arena, and it doesn’t cross my mind that he should have one." –Doug Armstrong, Blues GM 

Ok bleeds.

[DawgDad]

False premise. The NMC wasn't the hang-up, it was reportedly the amount and structure of the bonus payments in a time of great uncertainty. In the end it was Pietrangelo who turned down the offer from the Blues, as was his right. He was not the Blues player to be "kept", he was a UFA.

This type of stuff is what gives journalism today a bad reputation.

"Obviously, the NMC played a big role" Andy strickland.

It probably would of took 700 words to explain all that went down. Expecting that detail of a story about something else isn't rational and blows of a bias.
I'm betting you don't hold these same standard for your favorite media.

AnyHoo. Army disrespected Petro from the beginning. Towards the end, no one would of felt welcome. Something army has done to about everyone who had more fans then him.

It would not have taken 700 words to get the basic facts straight. I don't give a rat's behind what Andy Strickland thinks, and I don't agree with your statements. Army represents the past and prospective employer, you don't seem to comprehend that. Having been a hiring manager I clearly see YOUR bias.

[TAFKAP]

False premise. The NMC wasn't the hang-up, it was reportedly the amount and structure of the bonus payments in a time of great uncertainty. In the end it was Pietrangelo who turned down the offer from the Blues, as was his right. He was not the Blues player to be "kept", he was a UFA.

This type of stuff is what gives journalism today a bad reputation.

"Obviously, the NMC played a big role" Andy strickland.

It probably would of took 700 words to explain all that went down. Expecting that detail of a story about something else isn't rational and blows of a bias.
I'm betting you don't hold these same standard for your favorite media.

AnyHoo. Army disrespected Petro from the beginning. Towards the end, no one would of felt welcome. Something army has done to about everyone who had more fans then him.

It would not have taken 700 words to get the basic facts straight. I don't give a rat's behind what Andy Strickland thinks, and I don't agree with your statements. Army represents the past and prospective employer, you don't seem to comprehend that. Having been a hiring manager I clearly see YOUR bias.

It's Bomac, what do you expect.

Armstrong should have kissed what ever Petro wanted kissed, and get that deal signed. How can you say that with a straight face? Right now, we'd have no Petro and no Parayko. Petro would have gotten the Josi+ that he wanted, so 9.5x8. Vegas only has to pay him for nothing for 2 years, we'd be paying him for 3. The last 2 years he's had 30 something points. The first year was 20 something. 9.5 MILLION x 8 YEARS for a 30 point Dman who, when it was over would have spent 1/3 of his contract on IR. If you think that's a great deal that should have been done, you need help.

[dhsux]

False premise. The NMC wasn't the hang-up, it was reportedly the amount and structure of the bonus payments in a time of great uncertainty. In the end it was Pietrangelo who turned down the offer from the Blues, as was his right. He was not the Blues player to be "kept", he was a UFA.

This type of stuff is what gives journalism today a bad reputation.

"Obviously, the NMC played a big role" Andy strickland.

It probably would of took 700 words to explain all that went down. Expecting that detail of a story about something else isn't rational and blows of a bias.
I'm betting you don't hold these same standard for your favorite media.

AnyHoo. Army disrespected Petro from the beginning. Towards the end, no one would of felt welcome. Something army has done to about everyone who had more fans then him.

ahhhh...now I see.

Not sure where you were when all of this went down but I for one was not surprised when Petro walked, I could have predicted it.

Pietrangelo checked out long before those waning days imo, on his mates too, and that negotiation went just the way he intended it to go which was my way or the highway.

[Frank Underwood]

If the Blues has kept him, would we have won another Cup? I don’t think so, so that’s all I care about quite frankly. 2020 was our best chance to win a second Cup, but the whole Covid break killed all their momentum and then they came back and embarrassed themselves in the bubble.

So would the Blues have been more competitive for a few more years? Most likely yes. But that means a worse draft position and probably trades of picks and prospects to try to win in the playoffs because we would have been buyers, not sellers. But if they don’t win another Cup, it’s all meaningless and the team today would be much worse off for it.

[Cahokanut]

False premise. The NMC wasn't the hang-up, it was reportedly the amount and structure of the bonus payments in a time of great uncertainty. In the end it was Pietrangelo who turned down the offer from the Blues, as was his right. He was not the Blues player to be "kept", he was a UFA.

This type of stuff is what gives journalism today a bad reputation.

"Obviously, the NMC played a big role" Andy strickland.

It probably would of took 700 words to explain all that went down. Expecting that detail of a story about something else isn't rational and blows of a bias.
I'm betting you don't hold these same standard for your favorite media.

AnyHoo. Army disrespected Petro from the beginning. Towards the end, no one would of felt welcome. Something army has done to about everyone who had more fans then him.

ahhhh...now I see.

Not sure where you were when all of this went down but I for one was not surprised when Petro walked, I could have predicted it.

Pietrangelo checked out long before those waning days imo, on his mates too, and that negotiation went just the way he intended it to go which was my way or the highway.

I've been right here. Here before many of you'll.

Things I remember.
Army didn't want to negotiate with petro in season. Though he did for others.
Army traded for his replacement, gave him a no trade.
Army final offer, was the same as his first.
Army then spent the rest of cap on another 7million dollar no trade replacement after the first didn't work so well.

Army never was gonna sign Petro. Everyone should of caught that as soon as. No, 'in season negotiation came out.

I'm not one to call that a mistake. It ended up being one But, The mistake was two.
Not trading him off once it was decided he wasn't wanted and two being disrespectful to everyone outside of Schenns friendship bubble.

[dhsux]

What was your handle back then? I'm curious.

Can't stop how you think but I can offer my own alternative. Sure mistakes were made on both sides but once Petro's feeling got hurt he was gone and it was waaaay before that summer deadline.

That "haven't picked up a stick" quote was a huge notice to all. He made his choice then, pretty obvious.

Perron actually deserves a statue before that guy.

[smilinjoefission]

One of the biggest blunders is Stl sports history.

Let the only cup captain in history walk and compound it by signing an undersized offensive specialist for 45m over 7 years.

Tempur wasn't worth what he was asking, and neither was Krug worth what he got, and Faulk was never nothing special, never a top pairing Dman, he is basically a dime store Brewer. Army did the right thing with Tempur, but in Army style did the wrong thing with Krug and Faulk...one step forward, two steps back. So yeah it would have been better (cheaper) to keep Tempur than get Faulk and Krug, but the Blues wouldn't have been better because Army would have wasted that Krug/Faulk $$$ on some other mid player(s).

[netboy65]

One of the biggest blunders is Stl sports history.

Let the only cup captain in history walk and compound it by signing an undersized offensive specialist for 45m over 7 years.

Tempur wasn't worth what he was asking, and neither was Krug worth what he got, and Faulk was never nothing special, never a top pairing Dman, he is basically a dime store Brewer. Army did the right thing with Tempur, but in Army style did the wrong thing with Krug and Faulk...one step forward, two steps back. So yeah it would have been better (cheaper) to keep Tempur than get Faulk and Krug, but the Blues wouldn't have been better because Army would have wasted that Krug/Faulk $$$ on some other mid player(s).

Faulk was a good defenseman for the Canes and Krug was a 50 point d-man for the Bruins. It’s easy to say in hindsight they weren’t worth it, but when they were made they were good deals