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Re: Gorman is proving how good he can be as everyday player
Posted: 03 Jul 2025 08:25 am
by bccardsfan
makesnosense wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 08:16 am
bccardsfan wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 07:54 am
2ninr wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 05:53 am
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 15:34 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 15:28 pm
He hasn't changed from what I can tell. Low batting average, home runs, strikeouts.
Chase rate: 24.8% (lowest of his career)
Contact%: 71.8% (Highest of his career)
Zone Contact: 81.6% (highest of his career)
Swing and miss: 13.1% (Lowest of his career)
Line drive rate: 24.5% (2nd highest of his career)
BB%: 11.8% (best of his career)
K%: 28.9% (Lowest of his career)
Ah those pesky facts. And it shows if you know what you are watching.
Oh Stormin' Norman has definitely been better. It would be wonderful it he could find some way to hit .250 with pop and not KKKKK as much and he is trending in the right direction. He does best when he uses the whole field. He is average at best on D, and perhaps if he were just installed at 3rd he might improve somewhat, and range is not as much of a factor there. But he is not the next Pujols, or some magic unicorn. He is an average defender, .220 power hitting third baseman. He is pretty mediocre at second. I am definitely rooting for him. If he cuts down on the K's, uses the whole field, and simply tries to hit dingers in the right situation, and develops a good two strike approach and plate discipline when needed.... then he would be a lot better.
We shall see. I doubt he is dealt anytime soon.
It is hard to get dealt when you are not good. Who would him? He isn’t playing for any contender. He could get dealt for another over rated, under performing player on a bad team, but how does that help.
Indeed. He and JW aren't going anywhere unless they are given away for some low level prospect. The good thing is they don't cost much. When they have to get paid they will be gone unless they suddenly step it up.
Re: Gorman is proving how good he can be as everyday player
Posted: 03 Jul 2025 08:29 am
by 12xu
makesnosense wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 08:23 am
Melville wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:22 pm
The Unicorn.
Never been a LH hitting 2B in MLB history with his HR power ceiling.
Will his reach that ceiling?
Time will tell.
I would be surprised if he comes within a 100 HRs of Chase Utley.
You are not alone. Gorman has a "ceiling" which keeps dropping, and since his future is going to be as a third baseman or DH, Melville's predictions for him as a second baseman are fast becoming unattainable.
Re: Gorman is proving how good he can be as everyday player
Posted: 03 Jul 2025 11:00 am
by Adam2
Melville wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:22 pm
The Unicorn.
Never been a LH hitting 2B in MLB history with his HR power ceiling.
Will his reach that ceiling?
Time will tell.
I hope he can improve his consistency. As of now it is looking like a guy that can hit your 25hr, but he's going to be an absolute black hole every other month.
If he can even just limit how bad his slumps are he becomes extremely valuable.
Re: Gorman is proving how good he can be as everyday player
Posted: 03 Jul 2025 11:02 am
by Adam2
Melville wrote: ↑02 Jul 2025 19:34 pm
dugoutrex wrote: ↑02 Jul 2025 19:26 pm
Melville wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:22 pm
The Unicorn.
Never been a LH hitting 2B in MLB history with his HR power ceiling.
Will his reach that ceiling?
Time will tell.
ME-ville - where have you been ?
Travel nationwide quite a bit with my work.
I go where my clients are and work a lot of hours when advising them.
Sometimes, that means depriving my followers here for stretches of time.
when you return to the board it is like a ray of sunshine has entered our dark and diminished worlds
Re: Gorman is proving how good he can be as everyday player
Posted: 03 Jul 2025 11:09 am
by DwaininAztec
I don't think anyone in the Cardinal's lineup has put together any stats worth bragging about during the Pittsburgh series.
Re: Gorman is proving how good he can be as everyday player
Posted: 03 Jul 2025 11:45 am
by 2ninr
bccardsfan wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 07:54 am
2ninr wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 05:53 am
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 15:34 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 15:28 pm
He hasn't changed from what I can tell. Low batting average, home runs, strikeouts.
Chase rate: 24.8% (lowest of his career)
Contact%: 71.8% (Highest of his career)
Zone Contact: 81.6% (highest of his career)
Swing and miss: 13.1% (Lowest of his career)
Line drive rate: 24.5% (2nd highest of his career)
BB%: 11.8% (best of his career)
K%: 28.9% (Lowest of his career)
Ah those pesky facts. And it shows if you know what you are watching.
Oh Stormin' Norman has definitely been better. It would be wonderful it he could find some way to hit .250 with pop and not KKKKK as much and he is trending in the right direction. He does best when he uses the whole field. He is average at best on D, and perhaps if he were just installed at 3rd he might improve somewhat, and range is not as much of a factor there. But he is not the next Pujols, or some magic unicorn. He is an average defender, .220 power hitting third baseman. He is pretty mediocre at second. I am definitely rooting for him. If he cuts down on the K's, uses the whole field, and simply tries to hit dingers in the right situation, and develops a good two strike approach and plate discipline when needed.... then he would be a lot better.
We shall see. I doubt he is dealt anytime soon.
What he winds up being is hard to predict. But he is clearly more relaxed and trying to improve his peripheral numbers. Which he is doing. He's the best power prospect we have. I would be shocked if he's traded.
Re: Gorman is proving how good he can be as everyday player
Posted: 03 Jul 2025 13:17 pm
by rockondlouie
Melville wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:22 pm
The Unicorn.
Never been a LH hitting 2B in MLB history with his HR power ceiling.
Will his reach that ceiling?
Time will tell.
J.J. is steaming towards 2B, Gorman's ticket is punched for 3rd base the day NADO is gone.
Re: Gorman is proving how good he can be as everyday player
Posted: 03 Jul 2025 13:27 pm
by Ozziesfan41
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:17 pm
Melville wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:22 pm
The Unicorn.
Never been a LH hitting 2B in MLB history with his HR power ceiling.
Will his reach that ceiling?
Time will tell.
J.J. is steaming towards 2B, Gorman's ticket is punched for 3rd base the day NADO is gone.
That will be a bad day when Gorman takes over at 3rd having a sub .700 mediocre defensive third baseman will not be good for the team
Re: Gorman is proving how good he can be as everyday player
Posted: 03 Jul 2025 13:52 pm
by rockondlouie
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:27 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:17 pm
Melville wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:22 pm
The Unicorn.
Never been a LH hitting 2B in MLB history with his HR power ceiling.
Will his reach that ceiling?
Time will tell.
J.J. is steaming towards 2B, Gorman's ticket is punched for 3rd base the day NADO is gone.
That will be a bad day when Gorman takes over at 3rd having a sub .700 mediocre defensive third baseman will not be good for the team
Not ideal for sure if he continues to struggle.
But he does have the power bat you need at 3rd base so let's hope he doesn't.
JMO but J.J. or Donny aren't the type of hitters you want at a power position (1st/3rd).
J.J. needs to play 2nd base (or hopefully C. Bloom gets creative and turns him into a CF'er!
), Donny LF unless J.J. makes the move to CF.
Re: Gorman is proving how good he can be as everyday player
Posted: 03 Jul 2025 14:24 pm
by Ozziesfan41
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:52 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:27 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:17 pm
Melville wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:22 pm
The Unicorn.
Never been a LH hitting 2B in MLB history with his HR power ceiling.
Will his reach that ceiling?
Time will tell.
J.J. is steaming towards 2B, Gorman's ticket is punched for 3rd base the day NADO is gone.
That will be a bad day when Gorman takes over at 3rd having a sub .700 mediocre defensive third baseman will not be good for the team
Not ideal for sure if he continues to struggle.
But he does have the power bat you need at 3rd base so let's hope he doesn't.
JMO but J.J. or Donny aren't the type of hitters you want at a power position (1st/3rd).
J.J. needs to play 2nd base (or hopefully C. Bloom gets creative and turns him into a CF'er!
), Donny LF unless J.J. makes the move to CF.
He has a .730 OPS in almost 1400 career plate appearances had .721 ops or less in 3 of his four seasons a sub .700 OPS last season and this season. A full season of him playing everyday will be brutal
Re: Gorman is proving how good he can be as everyday player
Posted: 03 Jul 2025 14:29 pm
by rockondlouie
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 14:24 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:52 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:27 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:17 pm
Melville wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:22 pm
The Unicorn.
Never been a LH hitting 2B in MLB history with his HR power ceiling.
Will his reach that ceiling?
Time will tell.
J.J. is steaming towards 2B, Gorman's ticket is punched for 3rd base the day NADO is gone.
That will be a bad day when Gorman takes over at 3rd having a sub .700 mediocre defensive third baseman will not be good for the team
Not ideal for sure if he continues to struggle.
But he does have the power bat you need at 3rd base so let's hope he doesn't.
JMO but J.J. or Donny aren't the type of hitters you want at a power position (1st/3rd).
J.J. needs to play 2nd base (or hopefully C. Bloom gets creative and turns him into a CF'er!
), Donny LF unless J.J. makes the move to CF.
He has a .730 OPS in almost 1400 career plate appearances had .721 ops or less in 3 of his four seasons a sub .700 OPS last season and this season. A full season of him playing everyday will be brutal
Could be for sure.
But if it happens (and I'm not saying for sure it will), then let's hope the 27 HR/.805 OPS Gorman reappears.
Re: Gorman is proving how good he can be as everyday player
Posted: 03 Jul 2025 14:32 pm
by Melville
2ninr wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 11:45 am
bccardsfan wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 07:54 am
2ninr wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 05:53 am
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 15:34 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 15:28 pm
He hasn't changed from what I can tell. Low batting average, home runs, strikeouts.
Chase rate: 24.8% (lowest of his career)
Contact%: 71.8% (Highest of his career)
Zone Contact: 81.6% (highest of his career)
Swing and miss: 13.1% (Lowest of his career)
Line drive rate: 24.5% (2nd highest of his career)
BB%: 11.8% (best of his career)
K%: 28.9% (Lowest of his career)
Ah those pesky facts. And it shows if you know what you are watching.
Oh Stormin' Norman has definitely been better. It would be wonderful it he could find some way to hit .250 with pop and not KKKKK as much and he is trending in the right direction. He does best when he uses the whole field. He is average at best on D, and perhaps if he were just installed at 3rd he might improve somewhat, and range is not as much of a factor there. But he is not the next Pujols, or some magic unicorn. He is an average defender, .220 power hitting third baseman. He is pretty mediocre at second. I am definitely rooting for him. If he cuts down on the K's, uses the whole field, and simply tries to hit dingers in the right situation, and develops a good two strike approach and plate discipline when needed.... then he would be a lot better.
We shall see. I doubt he is dealt anytime soon.
What he winds up being is hard to predict. But he is clearly more relaxed and trying to improve his peripheral numbers. Which he is doing. He's the best power prospect we have. I would be shocked if he's traded.
Correct on every point.
Re: Gorman is proving how good he can be as everyday player
Posted: 03 Jul 2025 14:33 pm
by Melville
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:17 pm
Melville wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:22 pm
The Unicorn.
Never been a LH hitting 2B in MLB history with his HR power ceiling.
Will his reach that ceiling?
Time will tell.
J.J. is steaming towards 2B, Gorman's ticket is punched for 3rd base the day NADO is gone.
Almost certainly.
Re: Gorman is proving how good he can be as everyday player
Posted: 03 Jul 2025 14:33 pm
by Ozziesfan41
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 14:29 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 14:24 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:52 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:27 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:17 pm
Melville wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:22 pm
The Unicorn.
Never been a LH hitting 2B in MLB history with his HR power ceiling.
Will his reach that ceiling?
Time will tell.
J.J. is steaming towards 2B, Gorman's ticket is punched for 3rd base the day NADO is gone.
That will be a bad day when Gorman takes over at 3rd having a sub .700 mediocre defensive third baseman will not be good for the team
Not ideal for sure if he continues to struggle.
But he does have the power bat you need at 3rd base so let's hope he doesn't.
JMO but J.J. or Donny aren't the type of hitters you want at a power position (1st/3rd).
J.J. needs to play 2nd base (or hopefully C. Bloom gets creative and turns him into a CF'er!
), Donny LF unless J.J. makes the move to CF.
He has a .730 OPS in almost 1400 career plate appearances had .721 ops or less in 3 of his four seasons a sub .700 OPS last season and this season. A full season of him playing everyday will be brutal
Could be for sure.
But if it happens (and I'm not saying for sure it will), then let's hope the 27 HR/.805 OPS Gorman reappears.
True hope and prayer would be the only possibly of his success
Re: Gorman is proving how good he can be as everyday player
Posted: 03 Jul 2025 14:36 pm
by rockondlouie
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 14:33 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 14:29 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 14:24 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:52 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:27 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:17 pm
Melville wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:22 pm
The Unicorn.
Never been a LH hitting 2B in MLB history with his HR power ceiling.
Will his reach that ceiling?
Time will tell.
J.J. is steaming towards 2B, Gorman's ticket is punched for 3rd base the day NADO is gone.
That will be a bad day when Gorman takes over at 3rd having a sub .700 mediocre defensive third baseman will not be good for the team
Not ideal for sure if he continues to struggle.
But he does have the power bat you need at 3rd base so let's hope he doesn't.
JMO but J.J. or Donny aren't the type of hitters you want at a power position (1st/3rd).
J.J. needs to play 2nd base (or hopefully C. Bloom gets creative and turns him into a CF'er!
), Donny LF unless J.J. makes the move to CF.
He has a .730 OPS in almost 1400 career plate appearances had .721 ops or less in 3 of his four seasons a sub .700 OPS last season and this season. A full season of him playing everyday will be brutal
Could be for sure.
But if it happens (and I'm not saying for sure it will), then let's hope the 27 HR/.805 OPS Gorman reappears.
True hope and prayer would be the only possibly of his success
He's been pretty good since June 1st:
96 PA's
.811 OPS
Re: Gorman is proving how good he can be as everyday player
Posted: 03 Jul 2025 14:41 pm
by Ozziesfan41
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 14:36 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 14:33 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 14:29 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 14:24 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:52 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:27 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 13:17 pm
Melville wrote: ↑29 Jun 2025 18:22 pm
The Unicorn.
Never been a LH hitting 2B in MLB history with his HR power ceiling.
Will his reach that ceiling?
Time will tell.
J.J. is steaming towards 2B, Gorman's ticket is punched for 3rd base the day NADO is gone.
That will be a bad day when Gorman takes over at 3rd having a sub .700 mediocre defensive third baseman will not be good for the team
Not ideal for sure if he continues to struggle.
But he does have the power bat you need at 3rd base so let's hope he doesn't.
JMO but J.J. or Donny aren't the type of hitters you want at a power position (1st/3rd).
J.J. needs to play 2nd base (or hopefully C. Bloom gets creative and turns him into a CF'er!
), Donny LF unless J.J. makes the move to CF.
He has a .730 OPS in almost 1400 career plate appearances had .721 ops or less in 3 of his four seasons a sub .700 OPS last season and this season. A full season of him playing everyday will be brutal
Could be for sure.
But if it happens (and I'm not saying for sure it will), then let's hope the 27 HR/.805 OPS Gorman reappears.
True hope and prayer would be the only possibly of his success
He's been pretty good since June 1st:
96 PA's
.811 OPS
He’s been pretty bad the past 14 games .189 .636 OPS looks like he had his usual few and far between good streak where people think he’s figured it out then turns back into pumpkin