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ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 10:32 am Cardinals don't have the money to sign Tucker. TV deal is poor. Attendance down.

DeWitt approved the trade for Stanton which thankfully didn't happen. Heyward signed with Cubs instead of here. We lost out on the Price deal. Sonny Gray is making $35 million this year.

If we sign Tucker makes me think of a bad deal eventually. Like the Kris Bryant deal with Colorado. Or several Angels deals.

thetank2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:13 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 10:32 am Cardinals don't have the money to sign Tucker. TV deal is poor. Attendance down.

DeWitt approved the trade for Stanton which thankfully didn't happen. Heyward signed with Cubs instead of here. We lost out on the Price deal. Sonny Gray is making $35 million this year.

If we sign Tucker makes me think of a bad deal eventually. Like the Kris Bryant deal with Colorado. Or several Angels deals.

Then are you ever gonna spend. With that view, all players are too risky.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:15 am

thetank2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:13 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 10:32 am Cardinals don't have the money to sign Tucker. TV deal is poor. Attendance down.

DeWitt approved the trade for Stanton which thankfully didn't happen. Heyward signed with Cubs instead of here. We lost out on the Price deal. Sonny Gray is making $35 million this year.

If we sign Tucker makes me think of a bad deal eventually. Like the Kris Bryant deal with Colorado. Or several Angels deals.

Then are you ever gonna spend. With that view, all players are too risky.

Not the ones you get through a trade, and after here for awhile you decide if you want to extend them.

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:18 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:15 am

thetank2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:13 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 10:32 am Cardinals don't have the money to sign Tucker. TV deal is poor. Attendance down.

DeWitt approved the trade for Stanton which thankfully didn't happen. Heyward signed with Cubs instead of here. We lost out on the Price deal. Sonny Gray is making $35 million this year.

If we sign Tucker makes me think of a bad deal eventually. Like the Kris Bryant deal with Colorado. Or several Angels deals.

Then are you ever gonna spend. With that view, all players are too risky.

Not the ones you get through a trade, and after here for awhile you decide if you want to extend them.

I’d trade for Sandy as part of my reset. Are you up for that.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:20 am

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:18 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:15 am

thetank2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:13 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 10:32 am Cardinals don't have the money to sign Tucker. TV deal is poor. Attendance down.

DeWitt approved the trade for Stanton which thankfully didn't happen. Heyward signed with Cubs instead of here. We lost out on the Price deal. Sonny Gray is making $35 million this year.

If we sign Tucker makes me think of a bad deal eventually. Like the Kris Bryant deal with Colorado. Or several Angels deals.

Then are you ever gonna spend. With that view, all players are too risky.

Not the ones you get through a trade, and after here for awhile you decide if you want to extend them.

I’d trade for Sandy as part of my reset. Are you up for that.

Yes.

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:40 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:20 am

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:18 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:15 am

thetank2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:13 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 10:32 am Cardinals don't have the money to sign Tucker. TV deal is poor. Attendance down.

DeWitt approved the trade for Stanton which thankfully didn't happen. Heyward signed with Cubs instead of here. We lost out on the Price deal. Sonny Gray is making $35 million this year.

If we sign Tucker makes me think of a bad deal eventually. Like the Kris Bryant deal with Colorado. Or several Angels deals.

Then are you ever gonna spend. With that view, all players are too risky.

Not the ones you get through a trade, and after here for awhile you decide if you want to extend them.

I’d trade for Sandy as part of my reset. Are you up for that.

Yes.

Good. I said two pieces, that’s one. Now we just gotta tell the boss to spend on Tucker. Team and reset complete. A power for 2-4 years. It’s just the price of doing business in the mid 2020’s.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 08:02 am

rbirules wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 07:56 am I've been on the sign Kyle Tucker (if the Cubs don't extend him) bandwagon basically since he became a Cub. It makes a lot of sense, but I just don't see ownership going after a top FA like Tucker.

We are in an announced reset. There has to be a reason to reset. Once all assets are in place, they can buy. This should be this off season.

As for never making that big splash, well it shows. We saved all this money for a reason. My thoughts it to spend on two big names. If saving the money for any other reason, wrong move.

IF the Dewitt’s ok spending again it’ll be after the labor negotiations. I don’t see big signings this off season. Maybe a vet SP on a one year deal and a BP arm.

Ejgonz22 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:47 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 08:02 am

rbirules wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 07:56 am I've been on the sign Kyle Tucker (if the Cubs don't extend him) bandwagon basically since he became a Cub. It makes a lot of sense, but I just don't see ownership going after a top FA like Tucker.

We are in an announced reset. There has to be a reason to reset. Once all assets are in place, they can buy. This should be this off season.

As for never making that big splash, well it shows. We saved all this money for a reason. My thoughts it to spend on two big names. If saving the money for any other reason, wrong move.

IF the Dewitt’s ok spending again it’ll be after the labor negotiations. I don’t see big signings this off season. Maybe a vet SP on a one year deal and a BP arm.

Exactly. No good businessman would sign an expensive FA to a long term contract with the present MLB state of affairs.

Ejgonz22 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:47 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 08:02 am

rbirules wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 07:56 am I've been on the sign Kyle Tucker (if the Cubs don't extend him) bandwagon basically since he became a Cub. It makes a lot of sense, but I just don't see ownership going after a top FA like Tucker.

We are in an announced reset. There has to be a reason to reset. Once all assets are in place, they can buy. This should be this off season.

As for never making that big splash, well it shows. We saved all this money for a reason. My thoughts it to spend on two big names. If saving the money for any other reason, wrong move.

IF the Dewitt’s ok spending again it’ll be after the labor negotiations. I don’t see big signings this off season. Maybe a vet SP on a one year deal and a BP arm.

I can't see the labor negotiations changing the redistribution of revenues by that much.

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:51 am

Ejgonz22 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:47 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 08:02 am

rbirules wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 07:56 am I've been on the sign Kyle Tucker (if the Cubs don't extend him) bandwagon basically since he became a Cub. It makes a lot of sense, but I just don't see ownership going after a top FA like Tucker.

We are in an announced reset. There has to be a reason to reset. Once all assets are in place, they can buy. This should be this off season.

As for never making that big splash, well it shows. We saved all this money for a reason. My thoughts it to spend on two big names. If saving the money for any other reason, wrong move.

IF the Dewitt’s ok spending again it’ll be after the labor negotiations. I don’t see big signings this off season. Maybe a vet SP on a one year deal and a BP arm.

Exactly. No good businessman would sign an expensive FA to a long term contract with the present MLB state of affairs.

Exactly what will these negotiations bring at the contract level. If not much what’s lost.

thetank2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:13 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 10:32 am Cardinals don't have the money to sign Tucker. TV deal is poor. Attendance down.

DeWitt approved the trade for Stanton which thankfully didn't happen. Heyward signed with Cubs instead of here. We lost out on the Price deal. Sonny Gray is making $35 million this year.

If we sign Tucker makes me think of a bad deal eventually. Like the Kris Bryant deal with Colorado. Or several Angels deals.

That was under the previous TV deal when they were drawing better attendance. Gray was $10 last year, $25 this year, $35 next year. Tucker is going to land a much bigger and longer deal. Gotta forget the past and look at today's reality. Cardinals have a poor TV deal and declining attendance. They need to get their games on basic cable and satellite plans. That way fans can watch a game now and then without paying an extra fee.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 07:51 am Good morning.

Just a signing away.
Team would trade away Walker, Matz, Mik, and Helmsley and outfield will be Tucker Scott and Burleson.

Infield Willy Donovan Winn Nado. Pages at catcher. Gorman and Herrera at DH.

Staff

Gray
Libby
Pallante
Mcg
Young gun.

Closer- maton or granillo.

That completes year two of reset.

Would hope crooks or Bernal steps forward by then

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:51 am

Ejgonz22 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:47 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 08:02 am

rbirules wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 07:56 am I've been on the sign Kyle Tucker (if the Cubs don't extend him) bandwagon basically since he became a Cub. It makes a lot of sense, but I just don't see ownership going after a top FA like Tucker.

We are in an announced reset. There has to be a reason to reset. Once all assets are in place, they can buy. This should be this off season.

As for never making that big splash, well it shows. We saved all this money for a reason. My thoughts it to spend on two big names. If saving the money for any other reason, wrong move.

IF the Dewitt’s ok spending again it’ll be after the labor negotiations. I don’t see big signings this off season. Maybe a vet SP on a one year deal and a BP arm.

Exactly. No good businessman would sign an expensive FA to a long term contract with the present MLB state of affairs.

What a Arenado, Miles, Matz, Fedde add up to not to mention the Goldy 25mil gone this year
That doesn’t buy a Tucker??

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 14:37 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:51 am

Ejgonz22 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:47 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 08:02 am

rbirules wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 07:56 am I've been on the sign Kyle Tucker (if the Cubs don't extend him) bandwagon basically since he became a Cub. It makes a lot of sense, but I just don't see ownership going after a top FA like Tucker.

We are in an announced reset. There has to be a reason to reset. Once all assets are in place, they can buy. This should be this off season.

As for never making that big splash, well it shows. We saved all this money for a reason. My thoughts it to spend on two big names. If saving the money for any other reason, wrong move.

IF the Dewitt’s ok spending again it’ll be after the labor negotiations. I don’t see big signings this off season. Maybe a vet SP on a one year deal and a BP arm.

Exactly. No good businessman would sign an expensive FA to a long term contract with the present MLB state of affairs.

What a Arenado, Miles, Matz, Fedde add up to not to mention the Goldy 25mil gone this year
That doesn’t buy a Tucker??

Not when you don't know what your revenues are going to be.

Tucker is great and is an obvious improvement. HOWEVER, in a soft reset, our limited dollars could be used more efficiently by addressing pitching (which we lack, especially going into 2026).

Our offense ranks #6 (runs scored) in all of baseball.
Our pitching ranks #16 (runs allowed as well as ERA) in all of baseball.

We lose Mikolas, Matz, Hesley, Fedde, & Maton. That's a LOT of innings.

Ejgonz22 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 11:47 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 08:02 am

rbirules wrote: ↑25 Jun 2025 07:56 am I've been on the sign Kyle Tucker (if the Cubs don't extend him) bandwagon basically since he became a Cub. It makes a lot of sense, but I just don't see ownership going after a top FA like Tucker.

We are in an announced reset. There has to be a reason to reset. Once all assets are in place, they can buy. This should be this off season.

As for never making that big splash, well it shows. We saved all this money for a reason. My thoughts it to spend on two big names. If saving the money for any other reason, wrong move.

IF the Dewitt’s ok spending again it’ll be after the labor negotiations. I don’t see big signings this off season. Maybe a vet SP on a one year deal and a BP arm.

The biggest issue is an 80+ owner involved in any critical decisions. Old farts should get out of the way.