When was the shifting point when the Cardinals decided power didn’t matter ?

[sikeston bulldog2]

it's probably not a developmental problem. It's a philosophy problem...or not a problem...just a philosophy. We value contact over power and miss now in our drafts....look at 2022 through 2024 Drafts....Contact and EV and Walks over Power and Miss. Maybe one or two players will hit for power...but if they don't so be it.

Not so sure about that concept, Craviduce. Look at the past 7 years -

2018 - They took Gorman in the 1st round and Baker in the 2C round. Both power picks.
2019 - They took Fletcher as a power pick in the 2nd round
2020 - They took Walker in the 2nd round. Huge power potential
2021 - They took Baez in the 2nd round. Big power potential
2022 - They took Crooks, who had 11 HRs in 311 PAs for OU.
2023 - They took Davis in the 1st round, who had 21 HRs in 278 PAs for Arizona
2024 - They took Campos had 11 HRs in 284 PAs for ASU and Kloss had 19 HR in 272 PAs at U. of Cincinnati.

the question was when was the shift....I provided the timeline, the players taken fit the pattern. Your new Hitting Coach, Brown fits the pattern.... HIT over Power.

And Campos is a terrible example, Cranny. If the player hits for power, so be it, Campos can do neither, he wasn't drafted for his bat, he was drafted b/c he could get low to the plate...and that backfired on the Cards, b/c he SUCKS as a catcher with a Pro Squad.

They've cornered/targeted Hit and High EV players the last 3 drafts, Crooks included. Ignore anything before 2022, because they changed approaches.

and don't cherry pick one player....look at all the hitters...there's a theme.


Church, Honeyman, Petrutz, Harris, Paige, Richardson, Crooks, Scott, Jobert, Gazdar, Martin, McGee, Madron....hit and EV over Power and Miss.

Craviduce -

I’ve been looking up the stats of our draftees right after the draft for over 20 years.

You cite Cade McGee as an example. He hit
15 home runs in 57 games for Texas Tech the year he was drafted.

Trey Paige? He hit 14 home runs in 48 games the year he was drafted.

Brayden Jobert? He hit 14 home runs in 60 games the year he was drafted.

Jon Jon Gazdar hit 13 home runs in only 56 games for AP.

Bryce Madron hit 12 home runs in only 55 games for the Sooners.

I look for 2 things that a draftee brings to the table - power or speed. And over the last several years I have actually been very pleased that the power numbers among our draftees have increased, not decreased.

and none of those guys, with the exception of maybe Brayden Jobert has any sort of power with a Wooden Bat in the Pros.....NONE. Trey Paige has 3 HR this season, 2 HR last year. Gazdar has none....his H to XBH ratio is 7 to 1....he's very good hitter, but he's just that...a hitter. Madron has 1 HR this year..

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PLEASE STOP quoting numbers with an Aluminum Bat. None of them were power hitters in college, and none are power hitters with a Wooden Bat.

If you must use College data, use their Summer League numbers (Wooden Bats), or really try and delve deep into their Combine numbers.

I don’t care if they hit home runs with a metal bat, a wooden bat, a toothpick, or a wet noodle. The number of home runs they hit for their school is a differentiator when looking at draftees. And it generally rolls over to the pros. Example? I saw that Matt Adams had hit 14 home runs in 54 games for Slippery Rock.

The Cardinals don’t know how to develop power hitters. And if they do have potential power hitters in the minors, they tend to trade them. Like with Garcia and Arozarena. Even Lane Thomas ended up hitting 28 home runs for the Nats one year.

I don't believe power hitters are developed. It is a given talent like throwing a 100 MPH fastball. Not many can do either.

Then how come with the new technology a pitcher can increase their velocity by 3-4 MPH in the minors?

Generally a pitcher matures in the minors plus increased use of advanced fundamentals.

A hitter is either a hitter for power, or they ain’t. All the analysts tools may help develop a better hitter, but I doubt much for pure raw power.

No, but you can mess a kid up with changing his launch angle, etc. Look at Walker. Scouting reports rate his power at 65.

Yes you can. But that’s not the question. The question is can you develop power hitters. I say you can make a better hitter, but as to add more raw power, I’m not convinced.

[Adam2]

it's probably not a developmental problem. It's a philosophy problem...or not a problem...just a philosophy. We value contact over power and miss now in our drafts....look at 2022 through 2024 Drafts....Contact and EV and Walks over Power and Miss. Maybe one or two players will hit for power...but if they don't so be it.

Not so sure about that concept, Craviduce. Look at the past 7 years -

2018 - They took Gorman in the 1st round and Baker in the 2C round. Both power picks.
2019 - They took Fletcher as a power pick in the 2nd round
2020 - They took Walker in the 2nd round. Huge power potential
2021 - They took Baez in the 2nd round. Big power potential
2022 - They took Crooks, who had 11 HRs in 311 PAs for OU.
2023 - They took Davis in the 1st round, who had 21 HRs in 278 PAs for Arizona
2024 - They took Campos had 11 HRs in 284 PAs for ASU and Kloss had 19 HR in 272 PAs at U. of Cincinnati.

the question was when was the shift....I provided the timeline, the players taken fit the pattern. Your new Hitting Coach, Brown fits the pattern.... HIT over Power.

And Campos is a terrible example, Cranny. If the player hits for power, so be it, Campos can do neither, he wasn't drafted for his bat, he was drafted b/c he could get low to the plate...and that backfired on the Cards, b/c he SUCKS as a catcher with a Pro Squad.

They've cornered/targeted Hit and High EV players the last 3 drafts, Crooks included. Ignore anything before 2022, because they changed approaches.

and don't cherry pick one player....look at all the hitters...there's a theme.


Church, Honeyman, Petrutz, Harris, Paige, Richardson, Crooks, Scott, Jobert, Gazdar, Martin, McGee, Madron....hit and EV over Power and Miss.

Craviduce -

I’ve been looking up the stats of our draftees right after the draft for over 20 years.

You cite Cade McGee as an example. He hit
15 home runs in 57 games for Texas Tech the year he was drafted.

Trey Paige? He hit 14 home runs in 48 games the year he was drafted.

Brayden Jobert? He hit 14 home runs in 60 games the year he was drafted.

Jon Jon Gazdar hit 13 home runs in only 56 games for AP.

Bryce Madron hit 12 home runs in only 55 games for the Sooners.

I look for 2 things that a draftee brings to the table - power or speed. And over the last several years I have actually been very pleased that the power numbers among our draftees have increased, not decreased.

and none of those guys, with the exception of maybe Brayden Jobert has any sort of power with a Wooden Bat in the Pros.....NONE. Trey Paige has 3 HR this season, 2 HR last year. Gazdar has none....his H to XBH ratio is 7 to 1....he's very good hitter, but he's just that...a hitter. Madron has 1 HR this year..

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PLEASE STOP quoting numbers with an Aluminum Bat. None of them were power hitters in college, and none are power hitters with a Wooden Bat.

If you must use College data, use their Summer League numbers (Wooden Bats), or really try and delve deep into their Combine numbers.

I don’t care if they hit home runs with a metal bat, a wooden bat, a toothpick, or a wet noodle. The number of home runs they hit for their school is a differentiator when looking at draftees. And it generally rolls over to the pros. Example? I saw that Matt Adams had hit 14 home runs in 54 games for Slippery Rock.

The Cardinals don’t know how to develop power hitters. And if they do have potential power hitters in the minors, they tend to trade them. Like with Garcia and Arozarena. Even Lane Thomas ended up hitting 28 home runs for the Nats one year.

I don't believe power hitters are developed. It is a given talent like throwing a 100 MPH fastball. Not many can do either.

Then how come with the new technology a pitcher can increase their velocity by 3-4 MPH in the minors?

Because younger players are still filling out. More muscle/bigger bodies = more velocity

[Cranny]

it's probably not a developmental problem. It's a philosophy problem...or not a problem...just a philosophy. We value contact over power and miss now in our drafts....look at 2022 through 2024 Drafts....Contact and EV and Walks over Power and Miss. Maybe one or two players will hit for power...but if they don't so be it.

Not so sure about that concept, Craviduce. Look at the past 7 years -

2018 - They took Gorman in the 1st round and Baker in the 2C round. Both power picks.
2019 - They took Fletcher as a power pick in the 2nd round
2020 - They took Walker in the 2nd round. Huge power potential
2021 - They took Baez in the 2nd round. Big power potential
2022 - They took Crooks, who had 11 HRs in 311 PAs for OU.
2023 - They took Davis in the 1st round, who had 21 HRs in 278 PAs for Arizona
2024 - They took Campos had 11 HRs in 284 PAs for ASU and Kloss had 19 HR in 272 PAs at U. of Cincinnati.

the question was when was the shift....I provided the timeline, the players taken fit the pattern. Your new Hitting Coach, Brown fits the pattern.... HIT over Power.

And Campos is a terrible example, Cranny. If the player hits for power, so be it, Campos can do neither, he wasn't drafted for his bat, he was drafted b/c he could get low to the plate...and that backfired on the Cards, b/c he SUCKS as a catcher with a Pro Squad.

They've cornered/targeted Hit and High EV players the last 3 drafts, Crooks included. Ignore anything before 2022, because they changed approaches.

and don't cherry pick one player....look at all the hitters...there's a theme.


Church, Honeyman, Petrutz, Harris, Paige, Richardson, Crooks, Scott, Jobert, Gazdar, Martin, McGee, Madron....hit and EV over Power and Miss.

Craviduce -

I’ve been looking up the stats of our draftees right after the draft for over 20 years.

You cite Cade McGee as an example. He hit
15 home runs in 57 games for Texas Tech the year he was drafted.

Trey Paige? He hit 14 home runs in 48 games the year he was drafted.

Brayden Jobert? He hit 14 home runs in 60 games the year he was drafted.

Jon Jon Gazdar hit 13 home runs in only 56 games for AP.

Bryce Madron hit 12 home runs in only 55 games for the Sooners.

I look for 2 things that a draftee brings to the table - power or speed. And over the last several years I have actually been very pleased that the power numbers among our draftees have increased, not decreased.

and none of those guys, with the exception of maybe Brayden Jobert has any sort of power with a Wooden Bat in the Pros.....NONE. Trey Paige has 3 HR this season, 2 HR last year. Gazdar has none....his H to XBH ratio is 7 to 1....he's very good hitter, but he's just that...a hitter. Madron has 1 HR this year..

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PLEASE STOP quoting numbers with an Aluminum Bat. None of them were power hitters in college, and none are power hitters with a Wooden Bat.

If you must use College data, use their Summer League numbers (Wooden Bats), or really try and delve deep into their Combine numbers.

I don’t care if they hit home runs with a metal bat, a wooden bat, a toothpick, or a wet noodle. The number of home runs they hit for their school is a differentiator when looking at draftees. And it generally rolls over to the pros. Example? I saw that Matt Adams had hit 14 home runs in 54 games for Slippery Rock.

The Cardinals don’t know how to develop power hitters. And if they do have potential power hitters in the minors, they tend to trade them. Like with Garcia and Arozarena. Even Lane Thomas ended up hitting 28 home runs for the Nats one year.

I don't believe power hitters are developed. It is a given talent like throwing a 100 MPH fastball. Not many can do either.

Then how come with the new technology a pitcher can increase their velocity by 3-4 MPH in the minors?

Because younger players are still filling out. More muscle/bigger bodies = more velocity

True. But do you teach them to hit to all fields, or swing for the pull fences where much of their power lies? Do you teach them more of an uppercut swing to launch more fly balls? Do you have them swinging for the fences with their hands near the knob on the bat when behind by 1 run, with 2 outs, and the bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th?

[sikeston bulldog2]

it's probably not a developmental problem. It's a philosophy problem...or not a problem...just a philosophy. We value contact over power and miss now in our drafts....look at 2022 through 2024 Drafts....Contact and EV and Walks over Power and Miss. Maybe one or two players will hit for power...but if they don't so be it.

Not so sure about that concept, Craviduce. Look at the past 7 years -

2018 - They took Gorman in the 1st round and Baker in the 2C round. Both power picks.
2019 - They took Fletcher as a power pick in the 2nd round
2020 - They took Walker in the 2nd round. Huge power potential
2021 - They took Baez in the 2nd round. Big power potential
2022 - They took Crooks, who had 11 HRs in 311 PAs for OU.
2023 - They took Davis in the 1st round, who had 21 HRs in 278 PAs for Arizona
2024 - They took Campos had 11 HRs in 284 PAs for ASU and Kloss had 19 HR in 272 PAs at U. of Cincinnati.

the question was when was the shift....I provided the timeline, the players taken fit the pattern. Your new Hitting Coach, Brown fits the pattern.... HIT over Power.

And Campos is a terrible example, Cranny. If the player hits for power, so be it, Campos can do neither, he wasn't drafted for his bat, he was drafted b/c he could get low to the plate...and that backfired on the Cards, b/c he SUCKS as a catcher with a Pro Squad.

They've cornered/targeted Hit and High EV players the last 3 drafts, Crooks included. Ignore anything before 2022, because they changed approaches.

and don't cherry pick one player....look at all the hitters...there's a theme.


Church, Honeyman, Petrutz, Harris, Paige, Richardson, Crooks, Scott, Jobert, Gazdar, Martin, McGee, Madron....hit and EV over Power and Miss.

Craviduce -

I’ve been looking up the stats of our draftees right after the draft for over 20 years.

You cite Cade McGee as an example. He hit
15 home runs in 57 games for Texas Tech the year he was drafted.

Trey Paige? He hit 14 home runs in 48 games the year he was drafted.

Brayden Jobert? He hit 14 home runs in 60 games the year he was drafted.

Jon Jon Gazdar hit 13 home runs in only 56 games for AP.

Bryce Madron hit 12 home runs in only 55 games for the Sooners.

I look for 2 things that a draftee brings to the table - power or speed. And over the last several years I have actually been very pleased that the power numbers among our draftees have increased, not decreased.

and none of those guys, with the exception of maybe Brayden Jobert has any sort of power with a Wooden Bat in the Pros.....NONE. Trey Paige has 3 HR this season, 2 HR last year. Gazdar has none....his H to XBH ratio is 7 to 1....he's very good hitter, but he's just that...a hitter. Madron has 1 HR this year..

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PLEASE STOP quoting numbers with an Aluminum Bat. None of them were power hitters in college, and none are power hitters with a Wooden Bat.

If you must use College data, use their Summer League numbers (Wooden Bats), or really try and delve deep into their Combine numbers.

I don’t care if they hit home runs with a metal bat, a wooden bat, a toothpick, or a wet noodle. The number of home runs they hit for their school is a differentiator when looking at draftees. And it generally rolls over to the pros. Example? I saw that Matt Adams had hit 14 home runs in 54 games for Slippery Rock.

The Cardinals don’t know how to develop power hitters. And if they do have potential power hitters in the minors, they tend to trade them. Like with Garcia and Arozarena. Even Lane Thomas ended up hitting 28 home runs for the Nats one year.

I don't believe power hitters are developed. It is a given talent like throwing a 100 MPH fastball. Not many can do either.

Then how come with the new technology a pitcher can increase their velocity by 3-4 MPH in the minors?

Because younger players are still filling out. More muscle/bigger bodies = more velocity

True. But do you teach them to hit to all fields, or swing for the pull fences where much of their power lies? Do you teach them more of an uppercut swing to launch more fly balls? Do you have them swinging for the fences with their hands near the knob on the bat when behind by 1 run, with 2 outs, and the bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th?

You are combining your debate. We are talking do you have power or not. Pure raw power. Better hitting can be taught. Just because you become a good hitter doesn’t translate into power.

[Adam2]

it's probably not a developmental problem. It's a philosophy problem...or not a problem...just a philosophy. We value contact over power and miss now in our drafts....look at 2022 through 2024 Drafts....Contact and EV and Walks over Power and Miss. Maybe one or two players will hit for power...but if they don't so be it.

Not so sure about that concept, Craviduce. Look at the past 7 years -

2018 - They took Gorman in the 1st round and Baker in the 2C round. Both power picks.
2019 - They took Fletcher as a power pick in the 2nd round
2020 - They took Walker in the 2nd round. Huge power potential
2021 - They took Baez in the 2nd round. Big power potential
2022 - They took Crooks, who had 11 HRs in 311 PAs for OU.
2023 - They took Davis in the 1st round, who had 21 HRs in 278 PAs for Arizona
2024 - They took Campos had 11 HRs in 284 PAs for ASU and Kloss had 19 HR in 272 PAs at U. of Cincinnati.

the question was when was the shift....I provided the timeline, the players taken fit the pattern. Your new Hitting Coach, Brown fits the pattern.... HIT over Power.

And Campos is a terrible example, Cranny. If the player hits for power, so be it, Campos can do neither, he wasn't drafted for his bat, he was drafted b/c he could get low to the plate...and that backfired on the Cards, b/c he SUCKS as a catcher with a Pro Squad.

They've cornered/targeted Hit and High EV players the last 3 drafts, Crooks included. Ignore anything before 2022, because they changed approaches.

and don't cherry pick one player....look at all the hitters...there's a theme.


Church, Honeyman, Petrutz, Harris, Paige, Richardson, Crooks, Scott, Jobert, Gazdar, Martin, McGee, Madron....hit and EV over Power and Miss.

Craviduce -

I’ve been looking up the stats of our draftees right after the draft for over 20 years.

You cite Cade McGee as an example. He hit
15 home runs in 57 games for Texas Tech the year he was drafted.

Trey Paige? He hit 14 home runs in 48 games the year he was drafted.

Brayden Jobert? He hit 14 home runs in 60 games the year he was drafted.

Jon Jon Gazdar hit 13 home runs in only 56 games for AP.

Bryce Madron hit 12 home runs in only 55 games for the Sooners.

I look for 2 things that a draftee brings to the table - power or speed. And over the last several years I have actually been very pleased that the power numbers among our draftees have increased, not decreased.

and none of those guys, with the exception of maybe Brayden Jobert has any sort of power with a Wooden Bat in the Pros.....NONE. Trey Paige has 3 HR this season, 2 HR last year. Gazdar has none....his H to XBH ratio is 7 to 1....he's very good hitter, but he's just that...a hitter. Madron has 1 HR this year..

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PLEASE STOP quoting numbers with an Aluminum Bat. None of them were power hitters in college, and none are power hitters with a Wooden Bat.

If you must use College data, use their Summer League numbers (Wooden Bats), or really try and delve deep into their Combine numbers.

I don’t care if they hit home runs with a metal bat, a wooden bat, a toothpick, or a wet noodle. The number of home runs they hit for their school is a differentiator when looking at draftees. And it generally rolls over to the pros. Example? I saw that Matt Adams had hit 14 home runs in 54 games for Slippery Rock.

The Cardinals don’t know how to develop power hitters. And if they do have potential power hitters in the minors, they tend to trade them. Like with Garcia and Arozarena. Even Lane Thomas ended up hitting 28 home runs for the Nats one year.

I don't believe power hitters are developed. It is a given talent like throwing a 100 MPH fastball. Not many can do either.

Then how come with the new technology a pitcher can increase their velocity by 3-4 MPH in the minors?

Because younger players are still filling out. More muscle/bigger bodies = more velocity

True. But do you teach them to hit to all fields, or swing for the pull fences where much of their power lies? Do you teach them more of an uppercut swing to launch more fly balls? Do you have them swinging for the fences with their hands near the knob on the bat when behind by 1 run, with 2 outs, and the bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th?

I was referring to your MPH comment for pitchers

[Cranny]

it's probably not a developmental problem. It's a philosophy problem...or not a problem...just a philosophy. We value contact over power and miss now in our drafts....look at 2022 through 2024 Drafts....Contact and EV and Walks over Power and Miss. Maybe one or two players will hit for power...but if they don't so be it.

Not so sure about that concept, Craviduce. Look at the past 7 years -

2018 - They took Gorman in the 1st round and Baker in the 2C round. Both power picks.
2019 - They took Fletcher as a power pick in the 2nd round
2020 - They took Walker in the 2nd round. Huge power potential
2021 - They took Baez in the 2nd round. Big power potential
2022 - They took Crooks, who had 11 HRs in 311 PAs for OU.
2023 - They took Davis in the 1st round, who had 21 HRs in 278 PAs for Arizona
2024 - They took Campos had 11 HRs in 284 PAs for ASU and Kloss had 19 HR in 272 PAs at U. of Cincinnati.

the question was when was the shift....I provided the timeline, the players taken fit the pattern. Your new Hitting Coach, Brown fits the pattern.... HIT over Power.

And Campos is a terrible example, Cranny. If the player hits for power, so be it, Campos can do neither, he wasn't drafted for his bat, he was drafted b/c he could get low to the plate...and that backfired on the Cards, b/c he SUCKS as a catcher with a Pro Squad.

They've cornered/targeted Hit and High EV players the last 3 drafts, Crooks included. Ignore anything before 2022, because they changed approaches.

and don't cherry pick one player....look at all the hitters...there's a theme.


Church, Honeyman, Petrutz, Harris, Paige, Richardson, Crooks, Scott, Jobert, Gazdar, Martin, McGee, Madron....hit and EV over Power and Miss.

Craviduce -

I’ve been looking up the stats of our draftees right after the draft for over 20 years.

You cite Cade McGee as an example. He hit
15 home runs in 57 games for Texas Tech the year he was drafted.

Trey Paige? He hit 14 home runs in 48 games the year he was drafted.

Brayden Jobert? He hit 14 home runs in 60 games the year he was drafted.

Jon Jon Gazdar hit 13 home runs in only 56 games for AP.

Bryce Madron hit 12 home runs in only 55 games for the Sooners.

I look for 2 things that a draftee brings to the table - power or speed. And over the last several years I have actually been very pleased that the power numbers among our draftees have increased, not decreased.

and none of those guys, with the exception of maybe Brayden Jobert has any sort of power with a Wooden Bat in the Pros.....NONE. Trey Paige has 3 HR this season, 2 HR last year. Gazdar has none....his H to XBH ratio is 7 to 1....he's very good hitter, but he's just that...a hitter. Madron has 1 HR this year..

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PLEASE STOP quoting numbers with an Aluminum Bat. None of them were power hitters in college, and none are power hitters with a Wooden Bat.

If you must use College data, use their Summer League numbers (Wooden Bats), or really try and delve deep into their Combine numbers.

I don’t care if they hit home runs with a metal bat, a wooden bat, a toothpick, or a wet noodle. The number of home runs they hit for their school is a differentiator when looking at draftees. And it generally rolls over to the pros. Example? I saw that Matt Adams had hit 14 home runs in 54 games for Slippery Rock.

The Cardinals don’t know how to develop power hitters. And if they do have potential power hitters in the minors, they tend to trade them. Like with Garcia and Arozarena. Even Lane Thomas ended up hitting 28 home runs for the Nats one year.

I don't believe power hitters are developed. It is a given talent like throwing a 100 MPH fastball. Not many can do either.

Then how come with the new technology a pitcher can increase their velocity by 3-4 MPH in the minors?

Because younger players are still filling out. More muscle/bigger bodies = more velocity

True. But do you teach them to hit to all fields, or swing for the pull fences where much of their power lies? Do you teach them more of an uppercut swing to launch more fly balls? Do you have them swinging for the fences with their hands near the knob on the bat when behind by 1 run, with 2 outs, and the bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th?

I was referring to your MPH comment for pitchers

Sure they develop physically, but there is also sophisticated equipment that can improve the pressure of their grip, their delivery arm angle, etc.
And isometric equipment that can improve their arm strength and velocity.

[Adam2]

it's probably not a developmental problem. It's a philosophy problem...or not a problem...just a philosophy. We value contact over power and miss now in our drafts....look at 2022 through 2024 Drafts....Contact and EV and Walks over Power and Miss. Maybe one or two players will hit for power...but if they don't so be it.

Not so sure about that concept, Craviduce. Look at the past 7 years -

2018 - They took Gorman in the 1st round and Baker in the 2C round. Both power picks.
2019 - They took Fletcher as a power pick in the 2nd round
2020 - They took Walker in the 2nd round. Huge power potential
2021 - They took Baez in the 2nd round. Big power potential
2022 - They took Crooks, who had 11 HRs in 311 PAs for OU.
2023 - They took Davis in the 1st round, who had 21 HRs in 278 PAs for Arizona
2024 - They took Campos had 11 HRs in 284 PAs for ASU and Kloss had 19 HR in 272 PAs at U. of Cincinnati.

the question was when was the shift....I provided the timeline, the players taken fit the pattern. Your new Hitting Coach, Brown fits the pattern.... HIT over Power.

And Campos is a terrible example, Cranny. If the player hits for power, so be it, Campos can do neither, he wasn't drafted for his bat, he was drafted b/c he could get low to the plate...and that backfired on the Cards, b/c he SUCKS as a catcher with a Pro Squad.

They've cornered/targeted Hit and High EV players the last 3 drafts, Crooks included. Ignore anything before 2022, because they changed approaches.

and don't cherry pick one player....look at all the hitters...there's a theme.


Church, Honeyman, Petrutz, Harris, Paige, Richardson, Crooks, Scott, Jobert, Gazdar, Martin, McGee, Madron....hit and EV over Power and Miss.

Craviduce -

I’ve been looking up the stats of our draftees right after the draft for over 20 years.

You cite Cade McGee as an example. He hit
15 home runs in 57 games for Texas Tech the year he was drafted.

Trey Paige? He hit 14 home runs in 48 games the year he was drafted.

Brayden Jobert? He hit 14 home runs in 60 games the year he was drafted.

Jon Jon Gazdar hit 13 home runs in only 56 games for AP.

Bryce Madron hit 12 home runs in only 55 games for the Sooners.

I look for 2 things that a draftee brings to the table - power or speed. And over the last several years I have actually been very pleased that the power numbers among our draftees have increased, not decreased.

and none of those guys, with the exception of maybe Brayden Jobert has any sort of power with a Wooden Bat in the Pros.....NONE. Trey Paige has 3 HR this season, 2 HR last year. Gazdar has none....his H to XBH ratio is 7 to 1....he's very good hitter, but he's just that...a hitter. Madron has 1 HR this year..

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PLEASE STOP quoting numbers with an Aluminum Bat. None of them were power hitters in college, and none are power hitters with a Wooden Bat.

If you must use College data, use their Summer League numbers (Wooden Bats), or really try and delve deep into their Combine numbers.

I don’t care if they hit home runs with a metal bat, a wooden bat, a toothpick, or a wet noodle. The number of home runs they hit for their school is a differentiator when looking at draftees. And it generally rolls over to the pros. Example? I saw that Matt Adams had hit 14 home runs in 54 games for Slippery Rock.

The Cardinals don’t know how to develop power hitters. And if they do have potential power hitters in the minors, they tend to trade them. Like with Garcia and Arozarena. Even Lane Thomas ended up hitting 28 home runs for the Nats one year.

I don't believe power hitters are developed. It is a given talent like throwing a 100 MPH fastball. Not many can do either.

Then how come with the new technology a pitcher can increase their velocity by 3-4 MPH in the minors?

Because younger players are still filling out. More muscle/bigger bodies = more velocity

True. But do you teach them to hit to all fields, or swing for the pull fences where much of their power lies? Do you teach them more of an uppercut swing to launch more fly balls? Do you have them swinging for the fences with their hands near the knob on the bat when behind by 1 run, with 2 outs, and the bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th?

I was referring to your MPH comment for pitchers

Sure they develop physically, but there is also sophisticated equipment that can improve the pressure of their grip, their delivery arm angle, etc.
And isometric equipment that can improve their arm strength and velocity.

I'm aware, we used it when i was still pitching. But i know its come further since then