Re: Is the farm developing enough talent to support
Posted: 19 Jun 2025 14:48 pm
Mariners have the big Dumper!Youboughtit wrote: ↑19 Jun 2025 14:43 pmWho doesn’t have it besides the white Sox Mariners Rockies and Rays? Are we like them now? Most teams have 1-2-3 elite players on their rostersscoutyjones2 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2025 07:51 amYouboughtit wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 18:11 pmDo any have superstar upside or a 70 tool? I keep waiting for a 70 hit tool or fastball to get excited but Pujols was the last bat and Gibson the last SP that excelled. This team .is absolutely loaded with B-C grade talent. They need a generational pitcher and hitter to balance it out. I don’t see it anywhere currentlyhugeCardfan wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 17:25 pm the Cards?
It's a tricky question but there is room for optimism.
I will mention some and hope others will chime in.
Pitching:
My vantage point is this remains a weakness, but if things go well....
A) Starters:
McGreevy, Mathews, and Roby seems to be sooner than later hopefuls.
1) McGreevy is ready to move up. He dominates AAA and has pitched well in ML visits. I think he will settle in as a #3 type.
2) Mathews has regained his composure from last year and, following a few rehab starts, seems to be handling AAA well lately. Today he pitched 5.1 innings with 1H, 2BB's, 6 K's. His changeup was devastating and with control tamed Norfolk. He seems to get stronger as games progress. His fastball ranges between 94-96 and surges to 97. I see him in St Louis next year...probably a #3.
3) Roby is likely a year away. He dominated AA and probably will set a personal record for innings pitched this year. He's struggling a bit in AAA but has some really good moments. He could possibly pitch out of the pen, but I hope they keep him in the rotation.
4) Tink has the best stuff of the bunch but has shown no indication to remain healthy enough to start. He has the best fast ball and likely the best curve. He just needs to give us innings, which he has been unable to do. I don't see Tink in St Louis in 2026 anything short of a minor miracle...unless they give up on the starting. I don't think they will by next year.
5) Ixan Hernandez is moving up but has yet to be tested at AAA. This will be a good test for him and one that may waylay him. His stuff is good and his command continues to improve. However, he tends to nibble and it remains to be seen if that will work in AAA. Ixan Henderson is a deceptive lefty with a six-pitch mix to attack hitters and keep them off balance. He doesn’t blow anyone away with pure stuff or velocity, but all his pitches can get the job done and would leap forward with a little extra velocity. He's 22. No telling if that increase in velocity is available. He's at least a year away.
6) Hjerpe and Sem Robberse have some potential to be in the mix...if they can get healthy.
7) Further down the line is Chen Wei-Lin who is a young pitcher, just turned 23, with a ton of raw tools and that makes him a fun developmental project going forward. He put up good numbers at Palm Beach in 2024 (now in Peoria) with better-than-expected control who stands 6-foot-7.
The highlight of Lin’s arsenal is his fastball, which sits 96-97 mph and has touched 101. Oddly enough, the fastball needs refinement because there isn't enough swing and miss yet. He is 2-3 years away IMO.
There are other starters showing less promise at this point but not without potential.
B) Relievers:
This is a team weakness but there are some real bright spots.
1) Gordon Graceffo has been a starter until this year but appears to be settling into reliever...albeit possibly long reliever. He keeps finding more velocity and has pretty good command. Until this year the fastball was a detriment. It may have recently become much more of a plus. He mixes a slider, a curveball, and a changeup. Although the curveball has been his main pitch going back to his college and low A days, the slider looks like the better offering now. It is thought that his stuff may qualify him for the late innings in St Louis next year.
2) Andre Granillo been a top relief prospect in the organization for a few years because of his bat-missing ability. He is finally taking the next step and has done so well lately to be promoted to the 26 man roster. He's pitched effectively in St Louis briefly. Likely a late inning reliever.
3) 23 year old RHR Luis Gastelum possesses a truly remarkable change up.... Springfield has enjoyed his services as a closer recently. He has made great strides commanding the pitch this year and while his stats still belie his development, he looks like one of the best relievers in AA right now. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes our closer sooner or later. You have to see his change up to believe it.
4) There are other relievers with promise: Showalter, Svanson, Loutos, and Nunez to name a few, but they are too far away to speculate on at this point. (Notwithstanding that Svanson has been up a couple times)
That's how I see the pitching and would invite comments from others who might add or contradict my perceptions.
As lengthy as this is, I will undertake position players in a later post.
Needless to say, I am more excited about some of these prospects than our pitching.all teams need/want a generational talent.