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Re: Is the farm developing enough talent to support

Posted: 19 Jun 2025 14:48 pm
by scoutyjones2
Youboughtit wrote: 19 Jun 2025 14:43 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 19 Jun 2025 07:51 am
Youboughtit wrote: 18 Jun 2025 18:11 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 18 Jun 2025 17:25 pm the Cards?

It's a tricky question but there is room for optimism.

I will mention some and hope others will chime in.

Pitching:

My vantage point is this remains a weakness, but if things go well....

A) Starters:

McGreevy, Mathews, and Roby seems to be sooner than later hopefuls.

1) McGreevy is ready to move up. He dominates AAA and has pitched well in ML visits. I think he will settle in as a #3 type.

2) Mathews has regained his composure from last year and, following a few rehab starts, seems to be handling AAA well lately. Today he pitched 5.1 innings with 1H, 2BB's, 6 K's. His changeup was devastating and with control tamed Norfolk. He seems to get stronger as games progress. His fastball ranges between 94-96 and surges to 97. I see him in St Louis next year...probably a #3.

3) Roby is likely a year away. He dominated AA and probably will set a personal record for innings pitched this year. He's struggling a bit in AAA but has some really good moments. He could possibly pitch out of the pen, but I hope they keep him in the rotation.

4) Tink has the best stuff of the bunch but has shown no indication to remain healthy enough to start. He has the best fast ball and likely the best curve. He just needs to give us innings, which he has been unable to do. I don't see Tink in St Louis in 2026 anything short of a minor miracle...unless they give up on the starting. I don't think they will by next year.

5) Ixan Hernandez is moving up but has yet to be tested at AAA. This will be a good test for him and one that may waylay him. His stuff is good and his command continues to improve. However, he tends to nibble and it remains to be seen if that will work in AAA. Ixan Henderson is a deceptive lefty with a six-pitch mix to attack hitters and keep them off balance. He doesn’t blow anyone away with pure stuff or velocity, but all his pitches can get the job done and would leap forward with a little extra velocity. He's 22. No telling if that increase in velocity is available. He's at least a year away.

6) Hjerpe and Sem Robberse have some potential to be in the mix...if they can get healthy.

7) Further down the line is Chen Wei-Lin who is a young pitcher, just turned 23, with a ton of raw tools and that makes him a fun developmental project going forward. He put up good numbers at Palm Beach in 2024 (now in Peoria) with better-than-expected control who stands 6-foot-7.

The highlight of Lin’s arsenal is his fastball, which sits 96-97 mph and has touched 101. Oddly enough, the fastball needs refinement because there isn't enough swing and miss yet. He is 2-3 years away IMO.

There are other starters showing less promise at this point but not without potential.

B) Relievers:

This is a team weakness but there are some real bright spots.

1) Gordon Graceffo has been a starter until this year but appears to be settling into reliever...albeit possibly long reliever. He keeps finding more velocity and has pretty good command. Until this year the fastball was a detriment. It may have recently become much more of a plus. He mixes a slider, a curveball, and a changeup. Although the curveball has been his main pitch going back to his college and low A days, the slider looks like the better offering now. It is thought that his stuff may qualify him for the late innings in St Louis next year.

2) Andre Granillo been a top relief prospect in the organization for a few years because of his bat-missing ability. He is finally taking the next step and has done so well lately to be promoted to the 26 man roster. He's pitched effectively in St Louis briefly. Likely a late inning reliever.

3) 23 year old RHR Luis Gastelum possesses a truly remarkable change up.... Springfield has enjoyed his services as a closer recently. He has made great strides commanding the pitch this year and while his stats still belie his development, he looks like one of the best relievers in AA right now. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes our closer sooner or later. You have to see his change up to believe it.

4) There are other relievers with promise: Showalter, Svanson, Loutos, and Nunez to name a few, but they are too far away to speculate on at this point. (Notwithstanding that Svanson has been up a couple times)

That's how I see the pitching and would invite comments from others who might add or contradict my perceptions.

As lengthy as this is, I will undertake position players in a later post.

Needless to say, I am more excited about some of these prospects than our pitching.
Do any have superstar upside or a 70 tool? I keep waiting for a 70 hit tool or fastball to get excited but Pujols was the last bat and Gibson the last SP that excelled. This team .is absolutely loaded with B-C grade talent. They need a generational pitcher and hitter to balance it out. I don’t see it anywhere currently
:lol: all teams need/want a generational talent.
Who doesn’t have it besides the white Sox Mariners Rockies and Rays? Are we like them now? Most teams have 1-2-3 elite players on their rosters
Mariners have the big Dumper!

Re: Is the farm developing enough talent to support

Posted: 19 Jun 2025 16:16 pm
by Youboughtit
scoutyjones2 wrote: 19 Jun 2025 14:48 pm
Youboughtit wrote: 19 Jun 2025 14:43 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 19 Jun 2025 07:51 am
Youboughtit wrote: 18 Jun 2025 18:11 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 18 Jun 2025 17:25 pm the Cards?

It's a tricky question but there is room for optimism.

I will mention some and hope others will chime in.

Pitching:

My vantage point is this remains a weakness, but if things go well....

A) Starters:

McGreevy, Mathews, and Roby seems to be sooner than later hopefuls.

1) McGreevy is ready to move up. He dominates AAA and has pitched well in ML visits. I think he will settle in as a #3 type.

2) Mathews has regained his composure from last year and, following a few rehab starts, seems to be handling AAA well lately. Today he pitched 5.1 innings with 1H, 2BB's, 6 K's. His changeup was devastating and with control tamed Norfolk. He seems to get stronger as games progress. His fastball ranges between 94-96 and surges to 97. I see him in St Louis next year...probably a #3.

3) Roby is likely a year away. He dominated AA and probably will set a personal record for innings pitched this year. He's struggling a bit in AAA but has some really good moments. He could possibly pitch out of the pen, but I hope they keep him in the rotation.

4) Tink has the best stuff of the bunch but has shown no indication to remain healthy enough to start. He has the best fast ball and likely the best curve. He just needs to give us innings, which he has been unable to do. I don't see Tink in St Louis in 2026 anything short of a minor miracle...unless they give up on the starting. I don't think they will by next year.

5) Ixan Hernandez is moving up but has yet to be tested at AAA. This will be a good test for him and one that may waylay him. His stuff is good and his command continues to improve. However, he tends to nibble and it remains to be seen if that will work in AAA. Ixan Henderson is a deceptive lefty with a six-pitch mix to attack hitters and keep them off balance. He doesn’t blow anyone away with pure stuff or velocity, but all his pitches can get the job done and would leap forward with a little extra velocity. He's 22. No telling if that increase in velocity is available. He's at least a year away.

6) Hjerpe and Sem Robberse have some potential to be in the mix...if they can get healthy.

7) Further down the line is Chen Wei-Lin who is a young pitcher, just turned 23, with a ton of raw tools and that makes him a fun developmental project going forward. He put up good numbers at Palm Beach in 2024 (now in Peoria) with better-than-expected control who stands 6-foot-7.

The highlight of Lin’s arsenal is his fastball, which sits 96-97 mph and has touched 101. Oddly enough, the fastball needs refinement because there isn't enough swing and miss yet. He is 2-3 years away IMO.

There are other starters showing less promise at this point but not without potential.

B) Relievers:

This is a team weakness but there are some real bright spots.

1) Gordon Graceffo has been a starter until this year but appears to be settling into reliever...albeit possibly long reliever. He keeps finding more velocity and has pretty good command. Until this year the fastball was a detriment. It may have recently become much more of a plus. He mixes a slider, a curveball, and a changeup. Although the curveball has been his main pitch going back to his college and low A days, the slider looks like the better offering now. It is thought that his stuff may qualify him for the late innings in St Louis next year.

2) Andre Granillo been a top relief prospect in the organization for a few years because of his bat-missing ability. He is finally taking the next step and has done so well lately to be promoted to the 26 man roster. He's pitched effectively in St Louis briefly. Likely a late inning reliever.

3) 23 year old RHR Luis Gastelum possesses a truly remarkable change up.... Springfield has enjoyed his services as a closer recently. He has made great strides commanding the pitch this year and while his stats still belie his development, he looks like one of the best relievers in AA right now. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes our closer sooner or later. You have to see his change up to believe it.

4) There are other relievers with promise: Showalter, Svanson, Loutos, and Nunez to name a few, but they are too far away to speculate on at this point. (Notwithstanding that Svanson has been up a couple times)

That's how I see the pitching and would invite comments from others who might add or contradict my perceptions.

As lengthy as this is, I will undertake position players in a later post.

Needless to say, I am more excited about some of these prospects than our pitching.
Do any have superstar upside or a 70 tool? I keep waiting for a 70 hit tool or fastball to get excited but Pujols was the last bat and Gibson the last SP that excelled. This team .is absolutely loaded with B-C grade talent. They need a generational pitcher and hitter to balance it out. I don’t see it anywhere currently
:lol: all teams need/want a generational talent.
Who doesn’t have it besides the white Sox Mariners Rockies and Rays? Are we like them now? Most teams have 1-2-3 elite players on their rosters
Mariners have the big Dumper!
Jose Rodruigez has a lot of star power

Re: Is the farm developing enough talent to support

Posted: 19 Jun 2025 16:29 pm
by alw80
The farm has produced some nice role players, we just don't have the top end talent required to push us over the edge. Also, we practically need a new starting rotation.

Re: Is the farm developing enough talent to support

Posted: 19 Jun 2025 16:30 pm
by Talkin' Baseball
scoutyjones2 wrote: 19 Jun 2025 14:48 pm
Youboughtit wrote: 19 Jun 2025 14:43 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 19 Jun 2025 07:51 am
Youboughtit wrote: 18 Jun 2025 18:11 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 18 Jun 2025 17:25 pm the Cards?

It's a tricky question but there is room for optimism.

I will mention some and hope others will chime in.

Pitching:

My vantage point is this remains a weakness, but if things go well....

A) Starters:

McGreevy, Mathews, and Roby seems to be sooner than later hopefuls.

1) McGreevy is ready to move up. He dominates AAA and has pitched well in ML visits. I think he will settle in as a #3 type.

2) Mathews has regained his composure from last year and, following a few rehab starts, seems to be handling AAA well lately. Today he pitched 5.1 innings with 1H, 2BB's, 6 K's. His changeup was devastating and with control tamed Norfolk. He seems to get stronger as games progress. His fastball ranges between 94-96 and surges to 97. I see him in St Louis next year...probably a #3.

3) Roby is likely a year away. He dominated AA and probably will set a personal record for innings pitched this year. He's struggling a bit in AAA but has some really good moments. He could possibly pitch out of the pen, but I hope they keep him in the rotation.

4) Tink has the best stuff of the bunch but has shown no indication to remain healthy enough to start. He has the best fast ball and likely the best curve. He just needs to give us innings, which he has been unable to do. I don't see Tink in St Louis in 2026 anything short of a minor miracle...unless they give up on the starting. I don't think they will by next year.

5) Ixan Hernandez is moving up but has yet to be tested at AAA. This will be a good test for him and one that may waylay him. His stuff is good and his command continues to improve. However, he tends to nibble and it remains to be seen if that will work in AAA. Ixan Henderson is a deceptive lefty with a six-pitch mix to attack hitters and keep them off balance. He doesn’t blow anyone away with pure stuff or velocity, but all his pitches can get the job done and would leap forward with a little extra velocity. He's 22. No telling if that increase in velocity is available. He's at least a year away.

6) Hjerpe and Sem Robberse have some potential to be in the mix...if they can get healthy.

7) Further down the line is Chen Wei-Lin who is a young pitcher, just turned 23, with a ton of raw tools and that makes him a fun developmental project going forward. He put up good numbers at Palm Beach in 2024 (now in Peoria) with better-than-expected control who stands 6-foot-7.

The highlight of Lin’s arsenal is his fastball, which sits 96-97 mph and has touched 101. Oddly enough, the fastball needs refinement because there isn't enough swing and miss yet. He is 2-3 years away IMO.

There are other starters showing less promise at this point but not without potential.

B) Relievers:

This is a team weakness but there are some real bright spots.

1) Gordon Graceffo has been a starter until this year but appears to be settling into reliever...albeit possibly long reliever. He keeps finding more velocity and has pretty good command. Until this year the fastball was a detriment. It may have recently become much more of a plus. He mixes a slider, a curveball, and a changeup. Although the curveball has been his main pitch going back to his college and low A days, the slider looks like the better offering now. It is thought that his stuff may qualify him for the late innings in St Louis next year.

2) Andre Granillo been a top relief prospect in the organization for a few years because of his bat-missing ability. He is finally taking the next step and has done so well lately to be promoted to the 26 man roster. He's pitched effectively in St Louis briefly. Likely a late inning reliever.

3) 23 year old RHR Luis Gastelum possesses a truly remarkable change up.... Springfield has enjoyed his services as a closer recently. He has made great strides commanding the pitch this year and while his stats still belie his development, he looks like one of the best relievers in AA right now. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes our closer sooner or later. You have to see his change up to believe it.

4) There are other relievers with promise: Showalter, Svanson, Loutos, and Nunez to name a few, but they are too far away to speculate on at this point. (Notwithstanding that Svanson has been up a couple times)

That's how I see the pitching and would invite comments from others who might add or contradict my perceptions.

As lengthy as this is, I will undertake position players in a later post.

Needless to say, I am more excited about some of these prospects than our pitching.
Do any have superstar upside or a 70 tool? I keep waiting for a 70 hit tool or fastball to get excited but Pujols was the last bat and Gibson the last SP that excelled. This team .is absolutely loaded with B-C grade talent. They need a generational pitcher and hitter to balance it out. I don’t see it anywhere currently
:lol: all teams need/want a generational talent.
Who doesn’t have it besides the white Sox Mariners Rockies and Rays? Are we like them now? Most teams have 1-2-3 elite players on their rosters
Mariners have the big Dumper!
Maybe he meant Marlins?

Re: Is the farm developing enough talent to support

Posted: 19 Jun 2025 16:32 pm
by hugeCardfan
The Cards have developed a few position players from the farm. Pages and Herrera @ catcher and/or DH, Winn @ SS, Donovan at 2B, Gorman utility...potential 3B... Nootbaar, Walker, Burleson and Scott outfielders. While all have ML skill level talent, not all should be construed, IMO, as starters.

IMO everyday starters include Pages, Donovan, Winn and maybe Scott. Including DH Gorman, Herrera and Burleson are possibles. I don't see Nootbaar as much more than a 4th outfielder. Walker may well become an everyday RF'er with more development. Gorman has been a K hazard although is showing some improvement this year; he has bonafide power. If Herrera had a position (maybe outfield) his bat would certainly qualify for everyday; catching doesn't seem to be a long term solution.

So this leaves us with Scott as an everyday outfielder if he can raise his BA/OBP a bit.

While I suggest that Pages is a viable everyday catcher, the light hitting is hard to absorb with no more offense than we currently possess.

Everyday outfielders has been a problem for us for quite a while. Letting Arozarena go was indeed problematic even if we do need Liberatore now.

So how can the farm support us to fill certain holes current and in the future?

You can't talk about our farm, IMO, without first focusing on JJ Weatherholt. JJ is a super prospect and seems to be an odds on favorite to becoming an AS. He was the 7th pick in the 2024 draft and some had him pegged as high as the 1st pick. His BA and OBP is very high at all levels on the farm to include AA and seems poised for promotion to AAA. His defensive tools are over the top. About the only weakness we see in JJ is the possibility of hamstring issues and nothing since college.

JJ is poised to play SS, 2B or 3B. Strong arm and excellent range. Given Winn at SS in St Louis and Donovan at 2B it is problematic where he would play. Perhaps Donovan is a better choice for 3d, but you like to have a power hitter at 3d and neither Donovan or JJ are seen as big power guys. Donovan is such a good defender at 2B it's difficult for me to see JJ easily forcing him out. The farm has made no effort to give JJ time in the outfield.

I don't expect JJ to be the next position player promoted to the 26 man roster, but, surely by next year. IMO, after a successful test in AAA we could see him early next year....if not late this year.

So who may be our first position player to arrive?

Let's talk about Nathan Church next....

Re: Is the farm developing enough talent to support

Posted: 19 Jun 2025 16:40 pm
by dccardinal
Huge, your pitching summary garnered some good response from responsible responders. Might thinking about starting a new thread with this position player analysis?

Re: Is the farm developing enough talent to support

Posted: 19 Jun 2025 18:02 pm
by scoutyjones2
Youboughtit wrote: 19 Jun 2025 16:16 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 19 Jun 2025 14:48 pm
Youboughtit wrote: 19 Jun 2025 14:43 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 19 Jun 2025 07:51 am
Youboughtit wrote: 18 Jun 2025 18:11 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 18 Jun 2025 17:25 pm the Cards?

It's a tricky question but there is room for optimism.

I will mention some and hope others will chime in.

Pitching:

My vantage point is this remains a weakness, but if things go well....

A) Starters:

McGreevy, Mathews, and Roby seems to be sooner than later hopefuls.

1) McGreevy is ready to move up. He dominates AAA and has pitched well in ML visits. I think he will settle in as a #3 type.

2) Mathews has regained his composure from last year and, following a few rehab starts, seems to be handling AAA well lately. Today he pitched 5.1 innings with 1H, 2BB's, 6 K's. His changeup was devastating and with control tamed Norfolk. He seems to get stronger as games progress. His fastball ranges between 94-96 and surges to 97. I see him in St Louis next year...probably a #3.

3) Roby is likely a year away. He dominated AA and probably will set a personal record for innings pitched this year. He's struggling a bit in AAA but has some really good moments. He could possibly pitch out of the pen, but I hope they keep him in the rotation.

4) Tink has the best stuff of the bunch but has shown no indication to remain healthy enough to start. He has the best fast ball and likely the best curve. He just needs to give us innings, which he has been unable to do. I don't see Tink in St Louis in 2026 anything short of a minor miracle...unless they give up on the starting. I don't think they will by next year.

5) Ixan Hernandez is moving up but has yet to be tested at AAA. This will be a good test for him and one that may waylay him. His stuff is good and his command continues to improve. However, he tends to nibble and it remains to be seen if that will work in AAA. Ixan Henderson is a deceptive lefty with a six-pitch mix to attack hitters and keep them off balance. He doesn’t blow anyone away with pure stuff or velocity, but all his pitches can get the job done and would leap forward with a little extra velocity. He's 22. No telling if that increase in velocity is available. He's at least a year away.

6) Hjerpe and Sem Robberse have some potential to be in the mix...if they can get healthy.

7) Further down the line is Chen Wei-Lin who is a young pitcher, just turned 23, with a ton of raw tools and that makes him a fun developmental project going forward. He put up good numbers at Palm Beach in 2024 (now in Peoria) with better-than-expected control who stands 6-foot-7.

The highlight of Lin’s arsenal is his fastball, which sits 96-97 mph and has touched 101. Oddly enough, the fastball needs refinement because there isn't enough swing and miss yet. He is 2-3 years away IMO.

There are other starters showing less promise at this point but not without potential.

B) Relievers:

This is a team weakness but there are some real bright spots.

1) Gordon Graceffo has been a starter until this year but appears to be settling into reliever...albeit possibly long reliever. He keeps finding more velocity and has pretty good command. Until this year the fastball was a detriment. It may have recently become much more of a plus. He mixes a slider, a curveball, and a changeup. Although the curveball has been his main pitch going back to his college and low A days, the slider looks like the better offering now. It is thought that his stuff may qualify him for the late innings in St Louis next year.

2) Andre Granillo been a top relief prospect in the organization for a few years because of his bat-missing ability. He is finally taking the next step and has done so well lately to be promoted to the 26 man roster. He's pitched effectively in St Louis briefly. Likely a late inning reliever.

3) 23 year old RHR Luis Gastelum possesses a truly remarkable change up.... Springfield has enjoyed his services as a closer recently. He has made great strides commanding the pitch this year and while his stats still belie his development, he looks like one of the best relievers in AA right now. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes our closer sooner or later. You have to see his change up to believe it.

4) There are other relievers with promise: Showalter, Svanson, Loutos, and Nunez to name a few, but they are too far away to speculate on at this point. (Notwithstanding that Svanson has been up a couple times)

That's how I see the pitching and would invite comments from others who might add or contradict my perceptions.

As lengthy as this is, I will undertake position players in a later post.

Needless to say, I am more excited about some of these prospects than our pitching.
Do any have superstar upside or a 70 tool? I keep waiting for a 70 hit tool or fastball to get excited but Pujols was the last bat and Gibson the last SP that excelled. This team .is absolutely loaded with B-C grade talent. They need a generational pitcher and hitter to balance it out. I don’t see it anywhere currently
:lol: all teams need/want a generational talent.
Who doesn’t have it besides the white Sox Mariners Rockies and Rays? Are we like them now? Most teams have 1-2-3 elite players on their rosters
Mariners have the big Dumper!
Jose Rodruigez has a lot of star power
Signed both for cheap

Re: Is the farm developing enough talent to support

Posted: 20 Jun 2025 14:18 pm
by hugeCardfan
When folks suggest that our farm is bereft of players that will support the ML team, my first thought is they do so out of ignorance. It is not by accident that our AA Springfield team is one of the best in the minors. AAA Memphis too has an easy winning record though doesn't stand out like Springfield. Interestingly, it isn't the pitching as much as the position players that stand out on our farm...IMO. Not saying we don't have promising pitching. We do. But, keeping the pitching healthy is a constant dilemma. Ask the Dodgers.

So what position players are beginning to stand out and seem destined to end up in St Louis with promise?

Wetherholt heads the list and is recognized by all the scouting organizations as a top prospect. He is likely here next year...early. A good candidate for ROY.

But, who else? Names like Saggesse, Crooks, Church, Leonard Bernal and Joshua Baez. The first 3 are pretty much ML ready.

IMO Church has been the most consistent minor leaguer and has made steady progress both defensively and offensively. Church impressed significantly defensively in ST. He made great plays with his speed and highly accurate arm. But, it is his bat that he's been known for since HS. He only stands 5'10" so he has to force himself into the 26 man. I think he is in the process of doing exactly that. IMO, he is right now an improvement over Noot, Walker and Scott.

Crooks has been the heir apparent behind the plate. He is both defensively and offensively solid. He hits for average and has ten HR's this year between Memphis and Springfield.

Saggesse can just flat out hit. He's a line drive looking for a place to drop. He can play any position in the infield, except pitch and catch, adequately. He is either a trade asset or on the 26 man roster next year.

The only problem with these three is they don't have super star potential dripping from their pores. For that we have 2 players in Springfield breaking out in a very big way this year.

Bernal at 6' 240 lbs, has always shown promise, but this year seems to be bursting through with BA, power, and, not just good, but great defensive potential. His tools and attitude promise a rising star winging its way to St Louis. His switch hitting 2025 line .302 .380 .547 .927, includes 11 doubles and 11 HR's. He has on occasion strapped Springfield on his back and carried them. I believe he may become more impactful than Wetherholt. He is smart and a tireless worker.

Interestingly, Bernal became a switch hitter to handicap himself for his younger brother in the back yard, but, has developed to the extent that he is virtually as good either side of the plate. His vigorous routine every day faithfully works to develop each of his tools. IMO we have a superstar in the making.

Speaking of superstar, Joshua Baez, 6'3" and 220 lbs, has come on strong in 2025. This guy seemed to have more tools than talent until bursting out on the scene this year. His high propensity to strike out has made a dramatic turn around this year. He has all the tools, arm strength, speed, hits for average and POWER. stats .316 .402 .544 .946. Baez has virtually cut his K's in half from Peoria last year while playing in AA. Scouts believe he can play CF in the majors if you can imagine that kind of power in center.

Recently the Cardinals have added a couple of international up and comers that have caught attention from the various scouting agencies. Rainiel Rodriguez, catcher, and Yairo Padilla SS. Since signing Padilla has grown 4" to 6'4".

Rodriguez seems to represent the most power in the organization hitting a HR a day for about a week in the FCL before being promoted to Palm Beach. He's 5'10" 197 lbs and only 18 years old.

Padilla only 17 years old remains in the FCL. Is recognized for outstanding defense but shows good pitch recognition and the scouts seem to love him.

I believe that Chaim and his soldiers have already had an impact on the farm and are just beginning to add their value. I expect much more involvement with International signings and player development.

I cannot wait to see how our farm develops over the next few years. Heck, I can't wait to see who we sign with the 5th draft choice next month.

duce and others are encouraged to step up and add names, make comments. Any and all discussion is welcome.

Re: Is the farm developing enough talent to support

Posted: 20 Jun 2025 14:31 pm
by Futuregm2
hugeCardfan wrote: 20 Jun 2025 14:18 pm When folks suggest that our farm is bereft of players that will support the ML team, my first thought is they do so out of ignorance. It is not by accident that our AA Springfield team is one of the best in the minors. AAA Memphis too has an easy winning record though doesn't stand out like Springfield. Interestingly, it isn't the pitching as much as the position players that stand out on our farm...IMO. Not saying we don't have promising pitching. We do. But, keeping the pitching healthy is a constant dilemma. Ask the Dodgers.

So what position players are beginning to stand out and seem destined to end up in St Louis with promise?

Wetherholt heads the list and is recognized by all the scouting organizations as a top prospect. He is likely here next year...early. A good candidate for ROY.

But, who else? Names like Saggesse, Crooks, Church, Leonard Bernal and Joshua Baez. The first 3 are pretty much ML ready.

IMO Church has been the most consistent minor leaguer and has made steady progress both defensively and offensively. Church impressed significantly defensively in ST. He made great plays with his speed and highly accurate arm. But, it is his bat that he's been known for since HS. He only stands 5'10" so he has to force himself into the 26 man. I think he is in the process of doing exactly that. IMO, he is right now an improvement over Noot, Walker and Scott.

Crooks has been the heir apparent behind the plate. He is both defensively and offensively solid. He hits for average and has ten HR's this year between Memphis and Springfield.

Saggesse can just flat out hit. He's a line drive looking for a place to drop. He can play any position in the infield, except pitch and catch, adequately. He is either a trade asset or on the 26 man roster next year.

The only problem with these three is they don't have super star potential dripping from their pores. For that we have 2 players in Springfield breaking out in a very big way this year.

Bernal at 6' 240 lbs, has always shown promise, but this year seems to be bursting through with BA, power, and, not just good, but great defensive potential. His tools and attitude promise a rising star winging its way to St Louis. His switch hitting 2025 line .302 .380 .547 .927, includes 11 doubles and 11 HR's. He has on occasion strapped Springfield on his back and carried them. I believe he may become more impactful than Wetherholt. He is smart and a tireless worker.

Interestingly, Bernal became a switch hitter to handicap himself for his younger brother in the back yard, but, has developed to the extent that he is virtually as good either side of the plate. His vigorous routine every day faithfully works to develop each of his tools. IMO we have a superstar in the making.

Speaking of superstar, Joshua Baez, 6'3" and 220 lbs, has come on strong in 2025. This guy seemed to have more tools than talent until bursting out on the scene this year. His high propensity to strike out has made a dramatic turn around this year. He has all the tools, arm strength, speed, hits for average and POWER. stats .316 .402 .544 .946. Baez has virtually cut his K's in half from Peoria last year while playing in AA. Scouts believe he can play CF in the majors if you can imagine that kind of power in center.

Recently the Cardinals have added a couple of international up and comers that have caught attention from the various scouting agencies. Rainiel Rodriguez, catcher, and Yairo Padilla SS. Since signing Padilla has grown 4" to 6'4".

Rodriguez seems to represent the most power in the organization hitting a HR a day for about a week in the FCL before being promoted to Palm Beach. He's 5'10" 197 lbs and only 18 years old.

Padilla only 17 years old remains in the FCL. Is recognized for outstanding defense but shows good pitch recognition and the scouts seem to love him.

I believe that Chaim and his soldiers have already had an impact on the farm and are just beginning to add their value. I expect much more involvement with International signings and player development.

I cannot wait to see how our farm develops over the next few years. Heck, I can't wait to see who we sign with the 5th draft choice next month.

duce and others are encouraged to step up and add names, make comments. Any and all discussion is welcome.
Good write up, I’d include Deniel Ortiz as a sleeper. He was a 16th round pick last year, had great numbers in the MLB Draft League. So far for Palm Beach he has hit: .276/.396/.408. He has 16 steals as well. He’s been especially strong of late hitting .338/.446/.545 over the last 28 days. And more than anything his statcast numbers are elite.

https://x.com/KareemSSN/status/1935438498447901059

Re: Is the farm developing enough talent to support

Posted: 20 Jun 2025 14:38 pm
by hugeCardfan
Futuregm2 wrote: 20 Jun 2025 14:31 pm
hugeCardfan wrote: 20 Jun 2025 14:18 pm When folks suggest that our farm is bereft of players that will support the ML team, my first thought is they do so out of ignorance. It is not by accident that our AA Springfield team is one of the best in the minors. AAA Memphis too has an easy winning record though doesn't stand out like Springfield. Interestingly, it isn't the pitching as much as the position players that stand out on our farm...IMO. Not saying we don't have promising pitching. We do. But, keeping the pitching healthy is a constant dilemma. Ask the Dodgers.

So what position players are beginning to stand out and seem destined to end up in St Louis with promise?

Wetherholt heads the list and is recognized by all the scouting organizations as a top prospect. He is likely here next year...early. A good candidate for ROY.

But, who else? Names like Saggesse, Crooks, Church, Leonard Bernal and Joshua Baez. The first 3 are pretty much ML ready.

IMO Church has been the most consistent minor leaguer and has made steady progress both defensively and offensively. Church impressed significantly defensively in ST. He made great plays with his speed and highly accurate arm. But, it is his bat that he's been known for since HS. He only stands 5'10" so he has to force himself into the 26 man. I think he is in the process of doing exactly that. IMO, he is right now an improvement over Noot, Walker and Scott.

Crooks has been the heir apparent behind the plate. He is both defensively and offensively solid. He hits for average and has ten HR's this year between Memphis and Springfield.

Saggesse can just flat out hit. He's a line drive looking for a place to drop. He can play any position in the infield, except pitch and catch, adequately. He is either a trade asset or on the 26 man roster next year.

The only problem with these three is they don't have super star potential dripping from their pores. For that we have 2 players in Springfield breaking out in a very big way this year.

Bernal at 6' 240 lbs, has always shown promise, but this year seems to be bursting through with BA, power, and, not just good, but great defensive potential. His tools and attitude promise a rising star winging its way to St Louis. His switch hitting 2025 line .302 .380 .547 .927, includes 11 doubles and 11 HR's. He has on occasion strapped Springfield on his back and carried them. I believe he may become more impactful than Wetherholt. He is smart and a tireless worker.

Interestingly, Bernal became a switch hitter to handicap himself for his younger brother in the back yard, but, has developed to the extent that he is virtually as good either side of the plate. His vigorous routine every day faithfully works to develop each of his tools. IMO we have a superstar in the making.

Speaking of superstar, Joshua Baez, 6'3" and 220 lbs, has come on strong in 2025. This guy seemed to have more tools than talent until bursting out on the scene this year. His high propensity to strike out has made a dramatic turn around this year. He has all the tools, arm strength, speed, hits for average and POWER. stats .316 .402 .544 .946. Baez has virtually cut his K's in half from Peoria last year while playing in AA. Scouts believe he can play CF in the majors if you can imagine that kind of power in center.

Recently the Cardinals have added a couple of international up and comers that have caught attention from the various scouting agencies. Rainiel Rodriguez, catcher, and Yairo Padilla SS. Since signing Padilla has grown 4" to 6'4".

Rodriguez seems to represent the most power in the organization hitting a HR a day for about a week in the FCL before being promoted to Palm Beach. He's 5'10" 197 lbs and only 18 years old.

Padilla only 17 years old remains in the FCL. Is recognized for outstanding defense but shows good pitch recognition and the scouts seem to love him.

I believe that Chaim and his soldiers have already had an impact on the farm and are just beginning to add their value. I expect much more involvement with International signings and player development.

I cannot wait to see how our farm develops over the next few years. Heck, I can't wait to see who we sign with the 5th draft choice next month.

duce and others are encouraged to step up and add names, make comments. Any and all discussion is welcome.
Good write up, I’d include Deniel Ortiz as a sleeper. He was a 16th round pick last year, had great numbers in the MLB Draft League. So far for Palm Beach he has hit: .276/.396/.408. He has 16 steals as well. He’s been especially strong of late hitting .338/.446/.545 over the last 28 days. And more than anything his statcast numbers are elite.

https://x.com/KareemSSN/status/1935438498447901059
Thanks. I also forgot to mention that Yairo Padilla is lightning fast and has 22 stolen bases. He keeps that up and the Cardinals will need a full time bail bondsman to keep him out of the calaboose. :mrgreen: