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lordoffatness wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025 09:43 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 08:51 am

CCard wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 08:44 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 08:24 am

CCard wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 13:00 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 09:02 am Right now both Gorman and Burleson have to get PA's against both sides of the mound.

Even when Donny gets back Gorman has to stay in the lineup if this is truly a "runway" season.

We saw something Gorman and only Gorman posses in the entire organization yesterday, RAW POWER!

Let's hope Oli doesn't screw it up and platoons him.

I play both until they show they can't handle it (ala Noot right now).

No, I don't agree. If you need to learn to hit lefty pitching then you need to do it in the minors.

And you'd be wrong

And contrary to some posters belief he's actually had some success in MLB vs LHP slashing .260 .360 .479 .840 vs them in 2023 which was actually a better slash line in 2023 than he had vs RHP!

I get it, he's regressed.

But in the "runway" season, he needs to play vs RHP AND LHP.

JMO

That was before the pitchers had the "book" on him. How's that going now?

Nolan Gorman is 3-22 with a home run and 4 RBIs in 28 plate appearances against left-handed pitchers this season.

Admittedly that is a fairly small sample size, but why do you think that is? Could it be because they don't let him start against lefty pitching? Because he sucks at it?

Not well and we're in agreement he's regressed from those 2023 numbers vs LHP.

But how the h e l l is going to Memphis where he'd face inferior LHP going to help him?

Answer, it won't and he's NOT going to Memphis.

Again, this is the "runway" season and there are no two players more on that "runway" than Gorman and J. Walker.

BTW

Gorman in his last 15 GP:
3 HR
8 RBI
.350 .422 .675 1.097

He plays vs RHP & LHP

If he flops, then trade his a z z this offseason.

100%. He also has a 27% strikeout rate (first season below 30%) and a 12.5% walk rate (career high). He may turn back into a pumpkin by the end of the year, but let him play.

Bingo!

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025 09:53 am

lordoffatness wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025 09:43 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 08:51 am

CCard wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 08:44 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 08:24 am

CCard wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 13:00 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 09:02 am Right now both Gorman and Burleson have to get PA's against both sides of the mound.

Even when Donny gets back Gorman has to stay in the lineup if this is truly a "runway" season.

We saw something Gorman and only Gorman posses in the entire organization yesterday, RAW POWER!

Let's hope Oli doesn't screw it up and platoons him.

I play both until they show they can't handle it (ala Noot right now).

No, I don't agree. If you need to learn to hit lefty pitching then you need to do it in the minors.

And you'd be wrong

And contrary to some posters belief he's actually had some success in MLB vs LHP slashing .260 .360 .479 .840 vs them in 2023 which was actually a better slash line in 2023 than he had vs RHP!

I get it, he's regressed.

But in the "runway" season, he needs to play vs RHP AND LHP.

JMO

That was before the pitchers had the "book" on him. How's that going now?

Nolan Gorman is 3-22 with a home run and 4 RBIs in 28 plate appearances against left-handed pitchers this season.

Admittedly that is a fairly small sample size, but why do you think that is? Could it be because they don't let him start against lefty pitching? Because he sucks at it?

Not well and we're in agreement he's regressed from those 2023 numbers vs LHP.

But how the h e l l is going to Memphis where he'd face inferior LHP going to help him?

Answer, it won't and he's NOT going to Memphis.

Again, this is the "runway" season and there are no two players more on that "runway" than Gorman and J. Walker.

BTW

Gorman in his last 15 GP:
3 HR
8 RBI
.350 .422 .675 1.097

He plays vs RHP & LHP

If he flops, then trade his a z z this offseason.

100%. He also has a 27% strikeout rate (first season below 30%) and a 12.5% walk rate (career high). He may turn back into a pumpkin by the end of the year, but let him play.

Bingo!

With Walker back and Donovan healthy, it’s going to be really interesting to see how the PT settles in for these guys.

Cardinals OPS leaders Last 30 days
Gorman: .980
Burleson: .849
Walker: .826
Donovan: .811
Contreras: .740
Herrera: .728
Arenado: .677
Winn: .592
Pages: .589
Scott: .542
Pozo: .515
Noot: .486

With the way they’ve been hitting I’d prioritize PT for the top 6, Winn, and maybe Scott. I’d be shifting in Noot and Arenado. I’d highly consider giving Gorman more PT vs RHP at 3B over Arenado (.648 OPS vs RHP; .804 OPS vs LHP).

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025 10:01 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025 09:53 am

lordoffatness wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025 09:43 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 08:51 am

CCard wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 08:44 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 08:24 am

CCard wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 13:00 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 09:02 am Right now both Gorman and Burleson have to get PA's against both sides of the mound.

Even when Donny gets back Gorman has to stay in the lineup if this is truly a "runway" season.

We saw something Gorman and only Gorman posses in the entire organization yesterday, RAW POWER!

Let's hope Oli doesn't screw it up and platoons him.

I play both until they show they can't handle it (ala Noot right now).

No, I don't agree. If you need to learn to hit lefty pitching then you need to do it in the minors.

And you'd be wrong

And contrary to some posters belief he's actually had some success in MLB vs LHP slashing .260 .360 .479 .840 vs them in 2023 which was actually a better slash line in 2023 than he had vs RHP!

I get it, he's regressed.

But in the "runway" season, he needs to play vs RHP AND LHP.

JMO

That was before the pitchers had the "book" on him. How's that going now?

Nolan Gorman is 3-22 with a home run and 4 RBIs in 28 plate appearances against left-handed pitchers this season.

Admittedly that is a fairly small sample size, but why do you think that is? Could it be because they don't let him start against lefty pitching? Because he sucks at it?

Not well and we're in agreement he's regressed from those 2023 numbers vs LHP.

But how the h e l l is going to Memphis where he'd face inferior LHP going to help him?

Answer, it won't and he's NOT going to Memphis.

Again, this is the "runway" season and there are no two players more on that "runway" than Gorman and J. Walker.

BTW

Gorman in his last 15 GP:
3 HR
8 RBI
.350 .422 .675 1.097

He plays vs RHP & LHP

If he flops, then trade his a z z this offseason.

100%. He also has a 27% strikeout rate (first season below 30%) and a 12.5% walk rate (career high). He may turn back into a pumpkin by the end of the year, but let him play.

Bingo!

With Walker back and Donovan healthy, it’s going to be really interesting to see how the PT settles in for these guys.

Cardinals OPS leaders Last 30 days
Gorman: .980
Burleson: .849
Walker: .826
Donovan: .811
Contreras: .740
Herrera: .728
Arenado: .677
Winn: .592
Pages: .589
Scott: .542
Pozo: .515
Noot: .486

With the way they’ve been hitting I’d prioritize PT for the top 6, Winn, and maybe Scott. I’d be shifting in Noot and Arenado. I’d highly consider giving Gorman more PT vs RHP at 3B over Arenado (.648 OPS vs RHP; .804 OPS vs LHP).

IMO, these seven play as near FT as Oli can:
Gorman: .980
Burleson: .849
Walker: .826
Donovan: .811
Contreras: .740
Herrera: .728
Winn: .592 (no other good option and his glove saves runs)

I agree w/you on NADO vs RHP but that's simply not going to happen and we both know it.

But a game per week of full rest (NOT Oli's idiotic "half day" off DHing c r a p) is what he needs at this stage of his career, giving Gorman that game at 3rd base.

I'd put Donovan in LF (except for that game Gorman is at 3rd), platoon VSII in CF, Walker in RF w/Noot spelling each as needed unless he catches fire again at the plate.

Hererra could also see more time behind the plate IF Oli does his homework and ONLY puts him there vs teams that are low on the SB totem pole (Tigers, Rockies, Angels, Twins, Braves type teams).

That would open up time at DH for Burleson w/Gorman at 2nd base, 3rd base or even DH.

The roster is a mess, C. Bloom will definitely be culling out some players (Burleson, Noot, Pozo or Pages if one of the kid catchers is ready?) this offseason and correctly reshaping it.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 08:51 am

CCard wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 08:44 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Jun 2025 08:24 am

CCard wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 13:00 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑15 Jun 2025 09:02 am Right now both Gorman and Burleson have to get PA's against both sides of the mound.

Even when Donny gets back Gorman has to stay in the lineup if this is truly a "runway" season.

We saw something Gorman and only Gorman posses in the entire organization yesterday, RAW POWER!

Let's hope Oli doesn't screw it up and platoons him.

I play both until they show they can't handle it (ala Noot right now).

No, I don't agree. If you need to learn to hit lefty pitching then you need to do it in the minors.

And you'd be wrong

And contrary to some posters belief he's actually had some success in MLB vs LHP slashing .260 .360 .479 .840 vs them in 2023 which was actually a better slash line in 2023 than he had vs RHP!

I get it, he's regressed.

But in the "runway" season, he needs to play vs RHP AND LHP.

JMO

That was before the pitchers had the "book" on him. How's that going now?

Nolan Gorman is 3-22 with a home run and 4 RBIs in 28 plate appearances against left-handed pitchers this season.

Admittedly that is a fairly small sample size, but why do you think that is? Could it be because they don't let him start against lefty pitching? Because he sucks at it?

Not well and we're in agreement he's regressed from those 2023 numbers vs LHP.

But how the h e l l is going to Memphis where he'd face inferior LHP going to help him?

Answer, it won't and he's NOT going to Memphis.

Again, this is the "runway" season and there are no two players more on that "runway" than Gorman and J. Walker.

BTW

Gorman in his last 15 GP:
3 HR
8 RBI
.350 .422 .675 1.097

He plays vs RHP & LHP

If he flops, then trade his a z z this offseason.

LOL...He only has 4 HR. He needs to show that he can hit lefty's before he plays against major league lefty's.