When managing matters most Oli is awful

[riff raff]

The Vilade substitution was fireable

No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.

Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.

That's because the anti Oli cult blames every single thibg thst goes wrong on him. Its stupid. I finslly got tired of you guys spamming tgr board with your juvenile nonsense.

I dont agree with every move he makes. I could care a less if Bloom replaces him. But the constant attacks on him are personal and very limited in thought.

Questioning and criticizing a manager's job performance isn't a personal attack. Good grief. Calm down on your anger typing. The mistyped words are a mess.

I'm guessing Bob II is a day drinker and a front office (donkey) kisser.

smf you are

[WLTFE]

The Vilade substitution was fireable

No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.

Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.

That's because the anti Oli cult blames every single thibg thst goes wrong on him. Its stupid. I finslly got tired of you guys spamming tgr board with your juvenile nonsense.

I dont agree with every move he makes. I could care a less if Bloom replaces him. But the constant attacks on him are personal and very limited in thought.

Questioning and criticizing a manager's job performance isn't a personal attack. Good grief. Calm down on your anger typing. The mistyped words are a mess.

I'm guessing Bob II is a day drinker and a front office (donkey) kisser.

smf you are

Ok sweetie...got your kneepads ready for DeTwit and Mo-ran?

[riff raff]

The Vilade substitution was fireable

No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.

Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.

That's because the anti Oli cult blames every single thibg thst goes wrong on him. Its stupid. I finslly got tired of you guys spamming tgr board with your juvenile nonsense.

I dont agree with every move he makes. I could care a less if Bloom replaces him. But the constant attacks on him are personal and very limited in thought.

Questioning and criticizing a manager's job performance isn't a personal attack. Good grief. Calm down on your anger typing. The mistyped words are a mess.

I'm guessing Bob II is a day drinker and a front office (donkey) kisser.

smf you are

Ok sweetie...got your kneepads ready for DeTwit and Mo-ran?

You're the one obsessed with them, not me.

[hugeCardfan]

The Vilade substitution was fireable

No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.

Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.

My God! How dare he. I was in ST in 2004 when a plane with a banner saying FIRE DUNCUSSA....flew by. Takes all kinds.

[Bob Kunush]

The Vilade substitution was fireable

No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.

Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.

That's because the anti Oli cult blames every single thibg thst goes wrong on him. Its stupid. I finslly got tired of you guys spamming tgr board with your juvenile nonsense.

I dont agree with every move he makes. I could care a less if Bloom replaces him. But the constant attacks on him are personal and very limited in thought.

Questioning and criticizing a manager's job performance isn't a personal attack. Good grief. Calm down on your anger typing. The mistyped words are a mess.

I agree that questioning and criticizing managers at times is legit. But you and the others like you don't just do that and you know it. You make it personal and blame him for every thing that goes wrong in the game but if it goes well it's despite of him. And that gets real old. Maybe your valid complaints would carry more weight if you had an ounce of objectivity.

As for my typing, I am 67 and will admit these small phone keyboards and screens are not my friend. I am guilty of poor typing.

As for being a day drinker, I dont drink at all and never have. And am far from a huge fan of Mo.

[Bob Kunush]

Sorry the drinking comment was made to another poster. My mistake.

[WLTFE]

Sorry the drinking comment was made to another poster. My mistake.

Cheers!

[Cusecards]

The Vilade substitution was fireable

No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.

Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.

That's because the anti Oli cult blames every single thibg thst goes wrong on him. Its stupid. I finslly got tired of you guys spamming tgr board with your juvenile nonsense.

I dont agree with every move he makes. I could care a less if Bloom replaces him. But the constant attacks on him are personal and very limited in thought.

Bobby II is a front office (donkey) kisser.

The typical reply of the simple minded. I simply defend people against the emotional and childish attacks of the complainers club members.

I am not a fan of the current edition of Mo and I am glad he is going. I certainly don't agree with every move Marmol makes but I have been on this forum long enough to know there were similar complainer clubs in place all the way back to LaRussa.

A great illustration of this is the game day thread. If the Cardinals are losing or have a bad gane there are pages and pages of threads there. If they have a good game it is usually a much shorter thread. Complainers are emotional knee jerkers.

Solid post
Your points are well taken.

To be fair, I agree with you guys on the lifting of Gorman last night. I didnt like it when it happened and my wife can vouch for that! I would have let him hit to have his bat later in a close game. But if I had lifted him it would have been for Pozo instead of Vilade. Vilade has shown nothing and had two embarrassing non competitive at bats. He should be either released or back in Memphis. If that was Olis call it was a bad one.

I would have bunted Nootbar but he has never shown he is any good at it so I understand why thry didnt. I dont think I would have sent Scott there because he was still in scoring position with 1 out and there would have been a lot of complaints if he had been thrown out to make the 2nd out.

We lost the game primarily due to our closer being in a major funk and Nootbar not be8ng able to make contact.

The Cardinals have a real issue with their outfield.

Good opinions.
As for last night I did not get home until later and did not witness Gorman being lifted.
Noot failed. That is on him not the Manager of course.
Don’t know if I would have bunted with Noot but after he whiffed I would have been more aggressive with Scott considering his speed and base stealing ability.
I understand it’s a gamble but I found myself sitting there thinking....”they’re going to lose with Scott and his blazing speed chained to 2B”!
I know hindsight is 20/20 but sometimes you have to push the envelope.
This is where I have trouble with Oli and his “judgement” in key spots.
I think he freezes and makes poor decisions way more than he makes good ones.
I don’t have numbers on that....just my opinion.
And I hope I’m proved wrong but I question him long-term as Manager.

[Bob Kunush]

The Vilade substitution was fireable

No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.

Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.

That's because the anti Oli cult blames every single thibg thst goes wrong on him. Its stupid. I finslly got tired of you guys spamming tgr board with your juvenile nonsense.

I dont agree with every move he makes. I could care a less if Bloom replaces him. But the constant attacks on him are personal and very limited in thought.

Bobby II is a front office (donkey) kisser.

The typical reply of the simple minded. I simply defend people against the emotional and childish attacks of the complainers club members.

I am not a fan of the current edition of Mo and I am glad he is going. I certainly don't agree with every move Marmol makes but I have been on this forum long enough to know there were similar complainer clubs in place all the way back to LaRussa.

A great illustration of this is the game day thread. If the Cardinals are losing or have a bad gane there are pages and pages of threads there. If they have a good game it is usually a much shorter thread. Complainers are emotional knee jerkers.

Solid post
Your points are well taken.

To be fair, I agree with you guys on the lifting of Gorman last night. I didnt like it when it happened and my wife can vouch for that! I would have let him hit to have his bat later in a close game. But if I had lifted him it would have been for Pozo instead of Vilade. Vilade has shown nothing and had two embarrassing non competitive at bats. He should be either released or back in Memphis. If that was Olis call it was a bad one.

I would have bunted Nootbar but he has never shown he is any good at it so I understand why thry didnt. I dont think I would have sent Scott there because he was still in scoring position with 1 out and there would have been a lot of complaints if he had been thrown out to make the 2nd out.

We lost the game primarily due to our closer being in a major funk and Nootbar not be8ng able to make contact.

The Cardinals have a real issue with their outfield.

Good opinions.
As for last night I did not get home until later and did not witness Gorman being lifted.
Noot failed. That is on him not the Manager of course.
Don’t know if I would have bunted with Noot but after he whiffed I would have been more aggressive with Scott considering his speed and base stealing ability.
I understand it’s a gamble but I found myself sitting there thinking....”they’re going to lose with Scott and his blazing speed chained to 2B”!
I know hindsight is 20/20 but sometimes you have to push the envelope.
This is where I have trouble with Oli and his “judgement” in key spots.
I think he freezes and makes poor decisions way more than he makes good ones.
I don’t have numbers on that....just my opinion.
And I hope I’m proved wrong but I question him long-term as Manager.

Very valid points. I am not sure of Oli long term either but I have a lot of friends who are Dodgers, Phillies, and Braves fans and some of them think their managers are terrible despite their overall success. I think it's just part of being a manager. My father always complained about Red Schoendienst and in 1983 he thought Herzog was so overrated. But he liked to complain so I didnt put much stock in it. Everytime the team lost he said get they were terrible or this player or that player needed released. After playing and coaching baseball in my younger years I told him the other team is trying to win also. I don't think people consider that when they complain about every negative outcome.

My thoughts on Oli are if the team plays well overall in this reset year Bloom will keep him next year but not extend him. After that will likely be the lockout/strike and Bloom might still be trying to set his team up next year for the future. Oli would havr had to be more successful than he has so far to keep the job past 2026. If the team falls off this year Oli would be more likely to get the ax, especially if there is somebody Bloom really wants.

I really wonder if any younger manager will ever get to turn into LaRussa or Bochy the way front office geeks like to control everything.

Anyway, thanks for the good points and thoughts. Go Cardinals! We need this one tonight. No more Vilade for Gorman silliness!

[JuanAgosto]

The Vilade substitution was fireable

No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.

Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.

That's because the anti Oli cult blames every single thibg thst goes wrong on him. Its stupid. I finslly got tired of you guys spamming tgr board with your juvenile nonsense.

I dont agree with every move he makes. I could care a less if Bloom replaces him. But the constant attacks on him are personal and very limited in thought.

Questioning and criticizing a manager's job performance isn't a personal attack. Good grief. Calm down on your anger typing. The mistyped words are a mess.

I agree that questioning and criticizing managers at times is legit. But you and the others like you don't just do that and you know it. You make it personal and blame him for every thing that goes wrong in the game but if it goes well it's despite of him. And that gets real old. Maybe your valid complaints would carry more weight if you had an ounce of objectivity.

As for my typing, I am 67 and will admit these small phone keyboards and screens are not my friend. I am guilty of poor typing.

As for being a day drinker, I dont drink at all and never have. And am far from a huge fan of Mo.

1. I gave oli credit for the team's above expectations start this season. So saying I'm not objective is false.

2. My criticisms are legitimate and tied to his bad decisions and poor leadership involving past events.

3. Nobody claimed you are a drinker. I said you were typing angry.

[JuanAgosto]

The Vilade substitution was fireable

No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.

Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.

My God! How dare he. I was in ST in 2004 when a plane with a banner saying FIRE DUNCUSSA....flew by. Takes all kinds.

One is a Hall of Fame manager. The other is a stooge for Mo.

[Bob Kunush]

A LOT of people wanted LaRussa fired before the 2000 season and even before the 2004 season. How could he win no championships with all of that talent? I used to hear the same complaints on here 2007 to 2010 about how LaRussa was overrated and past his prime. I argued with them also because many of their attacks were the same as Marmols. Personal and without merit. Posters like TLRsucks and many others railed on him just like you do on Marmol.

Marmol is not LaRussa. I never said he was. But LaRussa is far more popular on Cards Talk today than he was when he managed.

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

A LOT of people wanted LaRussa fired before the 2000 season and even before the 2004 season. How could he win no championships with all of that talent? I used to hear the same complaints on here 2007 to 2010 about how LaRussa was overrated and past his prime. I argued with them also because many of their attacks were the same as Marmols. Personal and without merit. Posters like TLRsucks and many others railed on him just like you do on Marmol.

Marmol is not LaRussa. I never said he was. But LaRussa is far more popular on Cards Talk today than he was when he managed.

So you have always been a major db?

[thetank2]

A LOT of people wanted LaRussa fired before the 2000 season and even before the 2004 season. How could he win no championships with all of that talent? I used to hear the same complaints on here 2007 to 2010 about how LaRussa was overrated and past his prime. I argued with them also because many of their attacks were the same as Marmols. Personal and without merit. Posters like TLRsucks and many others railed on him just like you do on Marmol.

Marmol is not LaRussa. I never said he was. But LaRussa is far more popular on Cards Talk today than he was when he managed.

True.

[Cusecards]

The Vilade substitution was fireable

No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.

Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.

That's because the anti Oli cult blames every single thibg thst goes wrong on him. Its stupid. I finslly got tired of you guys spamming tgr board with your juvenile nonsense.

I dont agree with every move he makes. I could care a less if Bloom replaces him. But the constant attacks on him are personal and very limited in thought.

Bobby II is a front office (donkey) kisser.

The typical reply of the simple minded. I simply defend people against the emotional and childish attacks of the complainers club members.

I am not a fan of the current edition of Mo and I am glad he is going. I certainly don't agree with every move Marmol makes but I have been on this forum long enough to know there were similar complainer clubs in place all the way back to LaRussa.

A great illustration of this is the game day thread. If the Cardinals are losing or have a bad gane there are pages and pages of threads there. If they have a good game it is usually a much shorter thread. Complainers are emotional knee jerkers.

Solid post
Your points are well taken.

To be fair, I agree with you guys on the lifting of Gorman last night. I didnt like it when it happened and my wife can vouch for that! I would have let him hit to have his bat later in a close game. But if I had lifted him it would have been for Pozo instead of Vilade. Vilade has shown nothing and had two embarrassing non competitive at bats. He should be either released or back in Memphis. If that was Olis call it was a bad one.

I would have bunted Nootbar but he has never shown he is any good at it so I understand why thry didnt. I dont think I would have sent Scott there because he was still in scoring position with 1 out and there would have been a lot of complaints if he had been thrown out to make the 2nd out.

We lost the game primarily due to our closer being in a major funk and Nootbar not be8ng able to make contact.

The Cardinals have a real issue with their outfield.

Good opinions.
As for last night I did not get home until later and did not witness Gorman being lifted.
Noot failed. That is on him not the Manager of course.
Don’t know if I would have bunted with Noot but after he whiffed I would have been more aggressive with Scott considering his speed and base stealing ability.
I understand it’s a gamble but I found myself sitting there thinking....”they’re going to lose with Scott and his blazing speed chained to 2B”!
I know hindsight is 20/20 but sometimes you have to push the envelope.
This is where I have trouble with Oli and his “judgement” in key spots.
I think he freezes and makes poor decisions way more than he makes good ones.
I don’t have numbers on that....just my opinion.
And I hope I’m proved wrong but I question him long-term as Manager.

Very valid points. I am not sure of Oli long term either but I have a lot of friends who are Dodgers, Phillies, and Braves fans and some of them think their managers are terrible despite their overall success. I think it's just part of being a manager. My father always complained about Red Schoendienst and in 1983 he thought Herzog was so overrated. But he liked to complain so I didnt put much stock in it. Everytime the team lost he said get they were terrible or this player or that player needed released. After playing and coaching baseball in my younger years I told him the other team is trying to win also. I don't think people consider that when they complain about every negative outcome.

My thoughts on Oli are if the team plays well overall in this reset year Bloom will keep him next year but not extend him. After that will likely be the lockout/strike and Bloom might still be trying to set his team up next year for the future. Oli would havr had to be more successful than he has so far to keep the job past 2026. If the team falls off this year Oli would be more likely to get the ax, especially if there is somebody Bloom really wants.

I really wonder if any younger manager will ever get to turn into LaRussa or Bochy the way front office geeks like to control everything.

Anyway, thanks for the good points and thoughts. Go Cardinals! We need this one tonight. No more Vilade for Gorman silliness!

Your scenario with Oli is very possible. Obviously we’ll have to wait and see what happens(changes?) when Bloom takes over.
For what it’s worth even though I’m not an Oli fan I wouldn’t just dump him unless you had a solid replacement/strategy set to go with.
I have always said about head coaches/managers:
They get more credit than they deserve when the team wins and more blame than they deserve when the team loses!
Go Cards!

[Bob Kunush]

The Vilade substitution was fireable

No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.

Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.

That's because the anti Oli cult blames every single thibg thst goes wrong on him. Its stupid. I finslly got tired of you guys spamming tgr board with your juvenile nonsense.

I dont agree with every move he makes. I could care a less if Bloom replaces him. But the constant attacks on him are personal and very limited in thought.

Questioning and criticizing a manager's job performance isn't a personal attack. Good grief. Calm down on your anger typing. The mistyped words are a mess.

I agree that questioning and criticizing managers at times is legit. But you and the others like you don't just do that and you know it. You make it personal and blame him for every thing that goes wrong in the game but if it goes well it's despite of him. And that gets real old. Maybe your valid complaints would carry more weight if you had an ounce of objectivity.

As for my typing, I am 67 and will admit these small phone keyboards and screens are not my friend. I am guilty of poor typing.

As for being a day drinker, I dont drink at all and never have. And am far from a huge fan of Mo.

1. I gave oli credit for the team's above expectations start this season. So saying I'm not objective is false.

2. My criticisms are legitimate and tied to his bad decisions and poor leadership involving past events.

3. Nobody claimed you are a drinker. I said you were typing angry.

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I didn't find any posts going back some ways where you are not critical of Oli if you mention him. Obviously I only went back so far so I guess if you say you did then I assume you are not lying.

You did not call me a day drinker. That was another poster WTLFE. That was my mistake and I apologize. That did make me angry because my brother was killed by an alcoholic when I was 16 so I have never drank alcohol. But that wasn't you that said that.