Will Waino be the last to 200 wins?

[sikeston bulldog2]

doubtful 200 puts Waino in the HOF
JMO

Waino isn't a Hall of Famer, I'm w/you.

And you can never say "never" but I wouldn't put any money on there being another 200 game winner.

Verlander-Max-Kershaw could be the last.

Any pitcher in today's game who is towards the end of the career who is worthy? Do you think Scherzer is? He and AW have very similar career stats.

I think AW is HOF worthy. Comparing him to the pitchers of his era, he rates right up there with the best.

Lack of a Cy award? That shouldn't be held against him. He was robbed of one, and lost one to a pitcher who had a career year.

If you're comparing players of today vs players of 50-75 years ago, then no player playing today is deserving.

Nobody is going to have a lifetime avg of .350, and nobody is going to throw 15-20 complete games per year (nor in their career). It's a great topic gor discussion.

Waino is not even close to Max who is a SLAM DUNK First Ballot Hall of Famer while Waino isn't a Hall of Famer.

There career stats and achievements aren't even close:

Max career
216 - 112
.659 winning%
3.16 ERA
3.19 FiP
1.08 WHiP
3408 Strikeouts

Three (3) Cy Young Awards (Eight Top 5 finishes)
Eight (8) All-Star Appearances

Hall of Fame Statistics
Max (27th):
75.3 career WAR | 47.5 7yr-peak WAR | 61.4 JAWS | 61.4 S-JAWS | 5.5 WAR/162
Average HOF P (out of 67):
72.9 career WAR | 49.8 7yr-peak WAR | 61.3 JAWS | 56.8 S-JAWS | 4.5 WAR/162


Waino
200 - 128
.610 winning%
3.53 ERA
3.54 FiP
1.24 WHiP
2202 Strikeouts

No Cy Young Awards (Four Top 5 finishes)
Three (3) time All-Star

Hall of Fame Statistics
JAWS
WAINO (132nd):
45.3 career WAR | 36.2 7yr-peak WAR | 40.8 JAWS | 40.8 S-JAWS | 3.4 WAR/162
Average HOF P (out of 67):
72.9 career WAR | 49.8 7yr-peak WAR | 61.3 JAWS | 56.8 S-JAWS | 4.5 WAR/162

Waino is NOT a Hall of Famer

Without attrition who will be the next HOF. There just isn’t no good candidate. And with pitchers yielding their game fate earlier to the pens, the wins total will be even lower.

C. Beltran?
A. Jones?

I mean pitchers. I think 200 will be that magic number one day.

[Wattage]

I think others will get there eventually but it will be more rare. Maybe someone with a jamie.moyer like career although its harder to survive in mlb without velocity these days.

A stud pitcher could make it but theyd need to pitch deep, stay relatively healthy, and putch for a good team.

Also while this injury was a major blow to coles chances, its still not impossible for gerrit cole if he rebounds strong. Before last year, cole had veen averaging over 14.6 wins a year in non covid years since his age 24 season.

Ultimately, he will need to come back and have almost no more injuries, but its not impossible albeit improbable with inhuroes becoming more likely at this age

[rockondlouie]

doubtful 200 puts Waino in the HOF
JMO

Waino isn't a Hall of Famer, I'm w/you.

And you can never say "never" but I wouldn't put any money on there being another 200 game winner.

Verlander-Max-Kershaw could be the last.

Any pitcher in today's game who is towards the end of the career who is worthy? Do you think Scherzer is? He and AW have very similar career stats.

I think AW is HOF worthy. Comparing him to the pitchers of his era, he rates right up there with the best.

Lack of a Cy award? That shouldn't be held against him. He was robbed of one, and lost one to a pitcher who had a career year.

If you're comparing players of today vs players of 50-75 years ago, then no player playing today is deserving.

Nobody is going to have a lifetime avg of .350, and nobody is going to throw 15-20 complete games per year (nor in their career). It's a great topic gor discussion.

Waino is not even close to Max who is a SLAM DUNK First Ballot Hall of Famer while Waino isn't a Hall of Famer.

There career stats and achievements aren't even close:

Max career
216 - 112
.659 winning%
3.16 ERA
3.19 FiP
1.08 WHiP
3408 Strikeouts

Three (3) Cy Young Awards (Eight Top 5 finishes)
Eight (8) All-Star Appearances

Hall of Fame Statistics
Max (27th):
75.3 career WAR | 47.5 7yr-peak WAR | 61.4 JAWS | 61.4 S-JAWS | 5.5 WAR/162
Average HOF P (out of 67):
72.9 career WAR | 49.8 7yr-peak WAR | 61.3 JAWS | 56.8 S-JAWS | 4.5 WAR/162


Waino
200 - 128
.610 winning%
3.53 ERA
3.54 FiP
1.24 WHiP
2202 Strikeouts

No Cy Young Awards (Four Top 5 finishes)
Three (3) time All-Star

Hall of Fame Statistics
JAWS
WAINO (132nd):
45.3 career WAR | 36.2 7yr-peak WAR | 40.8 JAWS | 40.8 S-JAWS | 3.4 WAR/162
Average HOF P (out of 67):
72.9 career WAR | 49.8 7yr-peak WAR | 61.3 JAWS | 56.8 S-JAWS | 4.5 WAR/162

Waino is NOT a Hall of Famer

Without attrition who will be the next HOF. There just isn’t no good candidate. And with pitchers yielding their game fate earlier to the pens, the wins total will be even lower.

C. Beltran?
A. Jones?

I mean pitchers. I think 200 will be that magic number one day.

I don't see a worthy pitcher until J. Verlander, Max and C. Kershaw retire and put in there five year wait so it could be a long time.

To me Z. Greinke is a borderline at best Hall of Famer but he does have a CY Young Award and was just shy (2929) of the magical 3000 strikeouts so he could eventually get in.

[Wattage]

Fact is how many wins did waino lose to ineffective BP?

Thats every pitcher. Waino also gained wins in his less good years in 2016 2017 and 2019 in less than stellar games and had plenty ofnyears with a good bullpen and offense.


If you are gonna start counting pitential wins for every putcher that had leads blown by bad bullpens, then every pitcher with time in the league is a 200 game winner

[HorseTrader]

Logan Webb is the active leader for wins for a pitcher under 30 years of age (he's 28), with 60 wins.

Flaherty is 29 and right behind him with 59 wins.

Both would need to average about 14 wins for the next 10 years to get there

Someone excelled in 5th grade math.

Show off!

Well at least he made it to 5th grade..............

As to the 200 wins, I think Cole will make it. Nola has a slim shot, age 32 95 wins but that Phillies team helps.

[moose-and-squirrel]

doubtful 200 puts Waino in the HOF
JMO

Waino isn't a Hall of Famer, I'm w/you.

And you can never say "never" but I wouldn't put any money on there being another 200 game winner.

Verlander-Max-Kershaw could be the last.

Any pitcher in today's game who is towards the end of the career who is worthy? Do you think Scherzer is? He and AW have very similar career stats.

I think AW is HOF worthy. Comparing him to the pitchers of his era, he rates right up there with the best.

Lack of a Cy award? That shouldn't be held against him. He was robbed of one, and lost one to a pitcher who had a career year.

If you're comparing players of today vs players of 50-75 years ago, then no player playing today is deserving.

Nobody is going to have a lifetime avg of .350, and nobody is going to throw 15-20 complete games per year (nor in their career). It's a great topic gor discussion.

Waino is not even close to Max who is a SLAM DUNK First Ballot Hall of Famer while Waino isn't a Hall of Famer.

There career stats and achievements aren't even close:

Max career
216 - 112
.659 winning%
3.16 ERA
3.19 FiP
1.08 WHiP
3408 Strikeouts

Three (3) Cy Young Awards (Eight Top 5 finishes)
Eight (8) All-Star Appearances

Hall of Fame Statistics
Max (27th):
75.3 career WAR | 47.5 7yr-peak WAR | 61.4 JAWS | 61.4 S-JAWS | 5.5 WAR/162
Average HOF P (out of 67):
72.9 career WAR | 49.8 7yr-peak WAR | 61.3 JAWS | 56.8 S-JAWS | 4.5 WAR/162


Waino
200 - 128
.610 winning%
3.53 ERA
3.54 FiP
1.24 WHiP
2202 Strikeouts

No Cy Young Awards (Four Top 5 finishes)
Three (3) time All-Star

Hall of Fame Statistics
JAWS
WAINO (132nd):
45.3 career WAR | 36.2 7yr-peak WAR | 40.8 JAWS | 40.8 S-JAWS | 3.4 WAR/162
Average HOF P (out of 67):
72.9 career WAR | 49.8 7yr-peak WAR | 61.3 JAWS | 56.8 S-JAWS | 4.5 WAR/162

Waino is NOT a Hall of Famer

Without attrition who will be the next HOF. There just isn’t no good candidate. And with pitchers yielding their game fate earlier to the pens, the wins total will be even lower.

C. Beltran?
A. Jones?

I mean pitchers. I think 200 will be that magic number one day.

I don't see a worthy pitcher until J. Verlander, Max and C. Kershaw retire and put in there five year wait so it could be a long time.

To me Z. Greinke is a borderline at best Hall of Famer but he does have a CY Young Award and was just shy (2929) of the magical 3000 strikeouts so he could eventually get in.

Verlander, Max and Kershaw all have over 200 wins and are still active. so no, Waino won't be the last pitcher with 200 wins

[An Old Friend]

To me Z. Greinke is a borderline at best Hall of Famer but he does have a CY Young Award and was just shy (2929) of the magical 3000 strikeouts so he could eventually get in.

Greinke is likely a first ballot guy. I’d be shocked if he was on past 3 years. He’s a no brainer.

[Monsieur De Treville]

Logan Webb is the active leader for wins for a pitcher under 30 years of age (he's 28), with 60 wins.

Flaherty is 29 and right behind him with 59 wins.

Both would need to average about 14 wins for the next 10 years to get there

Someone excelled in 5th grade math.

Show off!

Well at least he made it to 5th grade..............

As to the 200 wins, I think Cole will make it. Nola has a slim shot, age 32 95 wins but that Phillies team helps.

Well, I don't see it. I'll acknowledge anything is possible, however.....

Nola is 32 with a 1-7 record. Prior 3 seasons he has had 11, 12, and 14 wins. Going to extremely difficult unless he's a guy who pitches well into his early 40's.

Cole won 8 games last season and had Tommy John in March. Turns 34 in September. He has a fighter's chance depending upon his TJ recovery. Needs 47 wins which at his age and with the way the game is now played should take him 5 seasons. Certainly possible, could go either way.

[HorseTrader]

Logan Webb is the active leader for wins for a pitcher under 30 years of age (he's 28), with 60 wins.

Flaherty is 29 and right behind him with 59 wins.

Both would need to average about 14 wins for the next 10 years to get there

Someone excelled in 5th grade math.

Show off!

Well at least he made it to 5th grade..............

As to the 200 wins, I think Cole will make it. Nola has a slim shot, age 32 95 wins but that Phillies team helps.

Well, I don't see it. I'll acknowledge anything is possible, however.....

Nola is 32 with a 1-7 record. Prior 3 seasons he has had 11, 12, and 14 wins. Going to extremely difficult unless he's a guy who pitches well into his early 40's.

Cole won 8 games last season and had Tommy John in March. Turns 34 in September. He has a fighter's chance depending upon his TJ recovery. Needs 47 wins which at his age and with the way the game is now played should take him 5 seasons. Certainly possible, could go either way.

I don't disagree, both have a tough climb to 200 but I think Cole will pitch long enough to get there. I also think both will be helped by playing on good teams (if they were with the Pirates, no chance in the world)