Time to send Pallante down & recall McGreevy

[Futuregm2]

I think it's too early. Put McGreevy into the race this soon may burn him out innings wise. I don't have a problem bringing him up a time or two, or in July...but now, I think, too soon.

He pitched 173 innings last season, which was only 20 up from the year before and that was 9 up from the year before that. He is as ready as any arm will ever be to throw regular innings in the MLB. Innings are the least of any concerns with McGreevy.

[Olemiss540]

Pallante is not going anywhere, be serious. He is a #4 pitcher that keeps you in games, keeps a 4ish ERA and 1.3 WHIP, and costs nothing. He is a crucial part of building a young, cheap starting pitching group for the next 4 years. The underperforming high priced vets are the ones at risk, not the cheap/controlled/serviceable rookies unless they fail for an extended duration and are given up on as a ML SP moving forward.

[Cusecards]

I think it's too early. Put McGreevy into the race this soon may burn him out innings wise. I don't have a problem bringing him up a time or two, or in July...but now, I think, too soon.

He pitched 173 innings last season, which was only 20 up from the year before and that was 9 up from the year before that. He is as ready as any arm will ever be to throw regular innings in the MLB. Innings are the least of any concerns with McGreevy.

Agree that McGreevy is poised to be the next man up. His time is coming possibly after the deadline.
Any of Fedde/Mikolas/Matz could be dealt as they approach FA.
Pallante could be shifted to the BP?

[Cusecards]

Pallante is not going anywhere, be serious. He is a #4 pitcher that keeps you in games, keeps a 4ish ERA and 1.3 WHIP, and costs nothing. He is a crucial part of building a young, cheap starting pitching group for the next 4 years. The underperforming high priced vets are the ones at risk, not the cheap/controlled/serviceable rookies unless they fail for an extended duration and are given up on as a ML SP moving forward.

Agree
At the very least he could be shifted to the BP where he has been effective.

[Futuregm2]

McGreevy is the only SP depth the Cards have as of now. Plus the team is winning. The talk of trading a SP to make a spot for McGreevy is not the right baseball decision. Sure, McGreevy deserves to be in the MLs, no argument here. But, very rarely do starting rotations make it the entire year without a starter going down. If my memory is correct, 2015 is the last year the Cards achieved that. So more likely than not, McGreevy will get his chance. Second, trading when you are winning doesn't seem like a good clubhouse move. Lets see how this plays out.

Pallante and McGreevy will both be in the starting rotation after August 1. Fedde, Mikolas and Matz will all likely be gone, as they are pending free agents the Cards likely won’t re-sign.

Why trade them for AAAA players. We need more SP.

A) So you don’t think Mo and the Cardinals could find better talent than AAAA players?
B) Our SP’s are 12th in fWAR and 10th in ERA. We have the 3rd best SP’s ERA among current NL playoff teams behind the Mets and Phillies.

[ShakeyWalton]

I'd send A. Pallante to Memphis today and recall M. McGreevy (6-1/3.02 ERA/9.6 SO9 at Memphis).

Pallante last 8 starts:
4.96 ERA
4.86 FiP
1.48 WHiP


And once again he can't get out RHH'ers:
.287 .359 .452 .812

Not sure why Mo is sticking w/him and not giving McGreevy his shot.

Stupid to keep running Pallante out there to get clobbered when you have McGreevy on the runway and ready to land in St. Louis if he was just given his shot.

Just like he did sticking w/R. Fernandez for too long, Mo is once again AWOL.

Wake up Mo!

Send Pallante to Memphis and recall McGreevy.

What a dumb idea. C'mon Floyd.

[hugeCardfan]

I think it's too early. Put McGreevy into the race this soon may burn him out innings wise. I don't have a problem bringing him up a time or two, or in July...but now, I think, too soon.

He pitched 173 innings last season, which was only 20 up from the year before and that was 9 up from the year before that. He is as ready as any arm will ever be to throw regular innings in the MLB. Innings are the least of any concerns with McGreevy.

That's a valid argument. 90% of his innings were in the minors and not under ML stress. I still think that there might be a better time to bring him up, but I'll defer to the eggsperts.

[hugeCardfan]

I think it's too early. Put McGreevy into the race this soon may burn him out innings wise. I don't have a problem bringing him up a time or two, or in July...but now, I think, too soon.

He pitched 173 innings last season, which was only 20 up from the year before and that was 9 up from the year before that. He is as ready as any arm will ever be to throw regular innings in the MLB. Innings are the least of any concerns with McGreevy.

Agree that McGreevy is poised to be the next man up. His time is coming possibly after the deadline.
Any of Fedde/Mikolas/Matz could be dealt as they approach FA.
Pallante could be shifted to the BP?

I don't see a single reason to trade Fedde, Mikolas or Matz before TD. They have all been effective. Pallante has a ML arm and though sometimes gets into trouble in one inning, he can get ML bats out. I'd move him only if he has a problem. I think that once it gets warm, we may find Pallante getting a new gear. I would be very hesitant to trade Matz. He has been critical giving extended innings. I might even try to extend him.

[sikeston bulldog2]

I think it's too early. Put McGreevy into the race this soon may burn him out innings wise. I don't have a problem bringing him up a time or two, or in July...but now, I think, too soon.

He pitched 173 innings last season, which was only 20 up from the year before and that was 9 up from the year before that. He is as ready as any arm will ever be to throw regular innings in the MLB. Innings are the least of any concerns with McGreevy.

Agree that McGreevy is poised to be the next man up. His time is coming possibly after the deadline.
Any of Fedde/Mikolas/Matz could be dealt as they approach FA.
Pallante could be shifted to the BP?

I don't see a single reason to trade Fedde, Mikolas or Matz before TD. They have all been effective. Pallante has a ML arm and though sometimes gets into trouble in one inning, he can get ML bats out. I'd move him only if he has a problem. I think that once it gets warm, we may find Pallante getting a new gear. I would be very hesitant to trade Matz. He has been critical giving extended innings. I might even try to extend him.

Matz is gone. He earned his way out. Mik is gone. Helsley is gone. Why. It’s a business.

Last winter everyone here wanted Mik and Matz gone, for peanuts. Now that they have value, they wanna keep em.

No. We are building the perfect beast and will be a power by 2027.

Bloom has no love for this roster they weren’t his sounds. They are truly Bea Bea kids.

[BrockFloodMaris]

McGreevy is the only SP depth the Cards have as of now. Plus the team is winning. The talk of trading a SP to make a spot for McGreevy is not the right baseball decision. Sure, McGreevy deserves to be in the MLs, no argument here. But, very rarely do starting rotations make it the entire year without a starter going down. If my memory is correct, 2015 is the last year the Cards achieved that. So more likely than not, McGreevy will get his chance. Second, trading when you are winning doesn't seem like a good clubhouse move. Lets see how this plays out.

Pallante and McGreevy will both be in the starting rotation after August 1. Fedde, Mikolas and Matz will all likely be gone, as they are pending free agents the Cards likely won’t re-sign.

Why trade them for AAAA players. We need more SP.

I agree, tank. No argument here. I don’t want any AAAA players. I want some 19-21 year old MiLB prospects.

[hugeCardfan]

I think it's too early. Put McGreevy into the race this soon may burn him out innings wise. I don't have a problem bringing him up a time or two, or in July...but now, I think, too soon.

He pitched 173 innings last season, which was only 20 up from the year before and that was 9 up from the year before that. He is as ready as any arm will ever be to throw regular innings in the MLB. Innings are the least of any concerns with McGreevy.

Agree that McGreevy is poised to be the next man up. His time is coming possibly after the deadline.
Any of Fedde/Mikolas/Matz could be dealt as they approach FA.
Pallante could be shifted to the BP?

I don't see a single reason to trade Fedde, Mikolas or Matz before TD. They have all been effective. Pallante has a ML arm and though sometimes gets into trouble in one inning, he can get ML bats out. I'd move him only if he has a problem. I think that once it gets warm, we may find Pallante getting a new gear. I would be very hesitant to trade Matz. He has been critical giving extended innings. I might even try to extend him.

Matz is gone. He earned his way out. Mik is gone. Helsley is gone. Why. It’s a business.

Last winter everyone here wanted Mik and Matz gone, for peanuts. Now that they have value, they wanna keep em.

No. We are building the perfect beast and will be a power by 2027.

Bloom has no love for this roster they weren’t his sounds. They are truly Bea Bea kids.

Not everyone wanted them gone. I liked Matz when he was healthy. Mikolas has always had really good games...just not enough of them. I don't want the arms dead by October. I want those around necessary to keep a 5 man rotation. I want Matz around to finish out a short start. I'm not worried about trades unless someone gets a wild hare and overpays. We don't owe anybody help. We can build from the farm, trades and an occasional FA. Selling when the team sucks, like in '23 was fine. I want this team hitting on all cylinders in October. I think we are special.

[cardstatman]

Past one calendar year stats:

_IP_ _ERA_ _FIP WHIP
118.0 3.36 3.21 1.09 Liberatore (5-5)
175.1 3.70 4.04 1.24 Fedde (8-12)
173.0 3.80 4.01 1.29 Pallante (12-10)
176.1 4.29 3.36 1.14 Gray (11-8)
168.0 4.77 3.95 1.24 Mikolas (11-8)

Pallante seems to be doing just fine.

[Cusecards]

I think it's too early. Put McGreevy into the race this soon may burn him out innings wise. I don't have a problem bringing him up a time or two, or in July...but now, I think, too soon.

He pitched 173 innings last season, which was only 20 up from the year before and that was 9 up from the year before that. He is as ready as any arm will ever be to throw regular innings in the MLB. Innings are the least of any concerns with McGreevy.

Agree that McGreevy is poised to be the next man up. His time is coming possibly after the deadline.
Any of Fedde/Mikolas/Matz could be dealt as they approach FA.
Pallante could be shifted to the BP?

I don't see a single reason to trade Fedde, Mikolas or Matz before TD. They have all been effective. Pallante has a ML arm and though sometimes gets into trouble in one inning, he can get ML bats out. I'd move him only if he has a problem. I think that once it gets warm, we may find Pallante getting a new gear. I would be very hesitant to trade Matz. He has been critical giving extended innings. I might even try to extend him.

I could certainly see Matz being brought back.
But if they see him for the BP I could certainly see teams coveting him as a starter which would Increase the $$.
I agree that no deals before the deadline.

[rockondlouie]

Ok

Are the naysayers now convinced after last night's debacle that brings his numbers to:

Last 9 GS
49 2/3 IP
5.80 ERA
5.14 FiP
1.49 WHiP

RHH'ers have now beaten him like a rag doll:

.299 .364 .496 .860

If you don't want him at Memphis......... then send R. Munoz (useless) down, put Pallante in the pen' to see if he can re-discover what he found last year when he was sent down that worked vs RHHers and re-call M. McGreevy who absolutely needs to replace Pallante in the SR.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Ok

Are the naysayers now convinced after last night's debacle that brings his numbers to:

Last 9 GS
49 2/3 IP
5.80 ERA
5.14 FiP
1.49 WHiP

RHH'ers have now beaten him like a rag doll:

.299 .364 .496 .860

If you don't want him at Memphis......... then send R. Munoz (useless) down, put Pallante in the pen' to see if he can re-discover what he found last year when he was sent down that worked vs RHHers and re-call M. McGreevy who absolutely needs to replace Pallante in the SR.

As things stand you may get your wish. The reset is seeking those that perform and exhibit endurance. Nothing more.

At a certain point, deadline, off season, players not meeting the standard will be moved.

It takes time.

[rockondlouie]

Ok

Are the naysayers now convinced after last night's debacle that brings his numbers to:

Last 9 GS
49 2/3 IP
5.80 ERA
5.14 FiP
1.49 WHiP

RHH'ers have now beaten him like a rag doll:

.299 .364 .496 .860

If you don't want him at Memphis......... then send R. Munoz (useless) down, put Pallante in the pen' to see if he can re-discover what he found last year when he was sent down that worked vs RHHers and re-call M. McGreevy who absolutely needs to replace Pallante in the SR.

As things stand you may get your wish. The reset is seeking those that perform and exhibit endurance. Nothing more.

At a certain point, deadline, off season, players not meeting the standard will be moved.

It takes time.

Not my "wish" BDog I was hoping after last seasons "re-set" he was going to be a solid #4.

It's just what needs to happen when a back of the rotation starter, making little money isn't performing and there's (possibly) a better option (McG).