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Re: St.L. Post Dispatch Article

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skilles wrote: 28 May 2025 12:21 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 28 May 2025 10:12 am
bluetunehead wrote: 28 May 2025 09:33 am
skilles wrote: 28 May 2025 01:45 am Puck pedia has us at 22 players with $5,025,150 not counting LTIR

If you send Dvorsky down and sign Faksa at 2 million and Hofer at 3 million(hopefully over estimated) That puts us at $911,816 left + Krugs LTIR with a full 23 man roster

Maybe I'm misunderstanding as I'm still getting used to these newer cap sights but that is what I see.

So roughly 7,500,000-8 million left with a full roster.
You're correct in what you're seeing. With a roster of 13F, 7D, and 1G the Blues currently have about 5.9M in cap space. That takes into account the bonus overages. Once you sign Faksa and Hofer you have your 23 man roster with probably a bit less than 1M left (depending on how much they get). Putting Krug on LTIR opens up an additional roster spot and another 6.5M. So you're probably left with about 7.5M to sign somebody if you want.

Trades will change things up obviously, but there is plenty of room for maneuvering.
The Blues would only get the full $6.5M to use if they started the season precisely with a cap hit at $95.5M. DeFranks correctly states it in his article:
If the Blues choose to use in-season LTIR with Krug, they would not have excess money (in addition to the estimated $3.412 million) to use in the summer. But they could construct a season-opening roster with Krug on it and do so as close to the $95.5 million cap in order to use as much of his $6.5 million cap hit. Every dollar the Blues are away from the cap is a dollar from Krug’s cap hit that they cannot use.
So let’s say the Blues end up with an opening roster with a cap hit of $93.5M counting Krug, and then put Krug on LTIR the next day. They’d have a LTIR pool of $4.5M then, not $6.5M.

Krug’s cap hit isn’t just a free $6.5M they have if they put him on LTIR. They have $0 - $6.5M depending on how they structure it. They’d have to be very precise to be able to use all or most of it.
That seems pretty easy for the Blues to manipulate
And if Army has any questions, he can contact Vegas's or Tamps Bay's GMs for help & advice!
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Re: St.L. Post Dispatch Article

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stlblues1979 wrote: 28 May 2025 12:34 pm
skilles wrote: 28 May 2025 12:21 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 28 May 2025 10:12 am
bluetunehead wrote: 28 May 2025 09:33 am
skilles wrote: 28 May 2025 01:45 am Puck pedia has us at 22 players with $5,025,150 not counting LTIR

If you send Dvorsky down and sign Faksa at 2 million and Hofer at 3 million(hopefully over estimated) That puts us at $911,816 left + Krugs LTIR with a full 23 man roster

Maybe I'm misunderstanding as I'm still getting used to these newer cap sights but that is what I see.

So roughly 7,500,000-8 million left with a full roster.
You're correct in what you're seeing. With a roster of 13F, 7D, and 1G the Blues currently have about 5.9M in cap space. That takes into account the bonus overages. Once you sign Faksa and Hofer you have your 23 man roster with probably a bit less than 1M left (depending on how much they get). Putting Krug on LTIR opens up an additional roster spot and another 6.5M. So you're probably left with about 7.5M to sign somebody if you want.

Trades will change things up obviously, but there is plenty of room for maneuvering.
The Blues would only get the full $6.5M to use if they started the season precisely with a cap hit at $95.5M. DeFranks correctly states it in his article:
If the Blues choose to use in-season LTIR with Krug, they would not have excess money (in addition to the estimated $3.412 million) to use in the summer. But they could construct a season-opening roster with Krug on it and do so as close to the $95.5 million cap in order to use as much of his $6.5 million cap hit. Every dollar the Blues are away from the cap is a dollar from Krug’s cap hit that they cannot use.
So let’s say the Blues end up with an opening roster with a cap hit of $93.5M counting Krug, and then put Krug on LTIR the next day. They’d have a LTIR pool of $4.5M then, not $6.5M.

Krug’s cap hit isn’t just a free $6.5M they have if they put him on LTIR. They have $0 - $6.5M depending on how they structure it. They’d have to be very precise to be able to use all or most of it.
That seems pretty easy for the Blues to manipulate
And if Army has any questions, he can contact Vegas's or Tamps Bay's GMs for help & advice!
I don't really think its overly complicated, just go over the cap in the off season, send players down to start the season, LTIR Krug, call them back up.
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STL fan in MN wrote: 28 May 2025 12:34 pm
bluetunehead wrote: 28 May 2025 12:16 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 28 May 2025 10:12 am
bluetunehead wrote: 28 May 2025 09:33 am
skilles wrote: 28 May 2025 01:45 am Puck pedia has us at 22 players with $5,025,150 not counting LTIR

If you send Dvorsky down and sign Faksa at 2 million and Hofer at 3 million(hopefully over estimated) That puts us at $911,816 left + Krugs LTIR with a full 23 man roster

Maybe I'm misunderstanding as I'm still getting used to these newer cap sights but that is what I see.

So roughly 7,500,000-8 million left with a full roster.
You're correct in what you're seeing. With a roster of 13F, 7D, and 1G the Blues currently have about 5.9M in cap space. That takes into account the bonus overages. Once you sign Faksa and Hofer you have your 23 man roster with probably a bit less than 1M left (depending on how much they get). Putting Krug on LTIR opens up an additional roster spot and another 6.5M. So you're probably left with about 7.5M to sign somebody if you want.

Trades will change things up obviously, but there is plenty of room for maneuvering.
The Blues would only get the full $6.5M to use if they started the season precisely with a cap hit at $95.5M. DeFranks correctly states it in his article:
If the Blues choose to use in-season LTIR with Krug, they would not have excess money (in addition to the estimated $3.412 million) to use in the summer. But they could construct a season-opening roster with Krug on it and do so as close to the $95.5 million cap in order to use as much of his $6.5 million cap hit. Every dollar the Blues are away from the cap is a dollar from Krug’s cap hit that they cannot use.
So let’s say the Blues end up with an opening roster with a cap hit of $93.5M counting Krug, and then put Krug on LTIR the next day. They’d have a LTIR pool of $4.5M then, not $6.5M.

Krug’s cap hit isn’t just a free $6.5M they have if they put him on LTIR. They have $0 - $6.5M depending on how they structure it. They’d have to be very precise to be able to use all or most of it.
Totally correct. My point was what the Blues can theoretically go *up to* if they so desire without having to make any sort of big cap dump. It's obviously not totally straight forward when dealing with LTIR. But for instance, you could see the offseason play out like this... (numbers from PuckPedia)
  • Start at 5.911M in cap space with 22 man roster (I'm not including Dvorsky, I'm assuming he's in Springfield again)
  • Add Faksa and Hofer at 2.5M and 2.3M
    1.111M in cap space with 24 man roster
  • Add Fabbro at 6M (we're just pretending, he's not getting that, but we need a young RHD)
    -4.888M in cap space with 25 man roster
  • In anticipation of Day One and needing to get cap compliant before LTIR'ing Krug:
    Waive Kessel, Joseph, Texier (with plans to bring back up Joseph and Texier) - 3.1M cap savings
    Send down Snuggerud and Bolduc (on paper only) - 1.8M cap savings
    20 man roster that's roughly 25k below the cap before we use LTIR. Very close.
  • LTIR Krug's 6.5M
  • Call up Joseph, Texier, Snuggerud, and Bolduc
    14F, 7D, 2G 23 man roster
    2.411M in LTIR space still available
Yep, you got it.

Although I’d be disappointed if they went out and got someone like Fabbro and didn’t add a center at all. But yes, that’s the sort of maneuvering I expect to take place. Going to prepare for it now - lots of Blues fans shocked and complaining when Bolduc and Snuggerud don’t make the opening roster…and then they’re recalled the next day and play the first game.
Yeah I think a proper 2C is probably the biggest priority for the next couple seasons while Dvorsky develops. RHD is more of a longterm concern for when Faulk is gone and Parayko is only that much older.
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I really think we are in great shape, I would call RD a top priority but not an urgent priority. Thats how I would rate our needs, I think 2c and RD are equally high priority but not equal urgency.

2C is the more urgent move but RD is the bigger move.

The 2c move determines the next 2 seasons while the RD move determines the next decade.
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skilles wrote: 28 May 2025 14:09 pm I really think we are in great shape, I would call RD a top priority but not an urgent priority. Thats how I would rate our needs, I think 2c and RD are equally high priority but not equal urgency.

2C is the more urgent move but RD is the bigger move.

The 2c move determines the next 2 seasons while the RD move determines the next decade.
Notice how everyone considers the RD to be an issue? I have not seen 1 person indicate that that hole is potentially solved. Shouldn't it be considered solved since Army spent a Round 1 pick on a prospect in 2024 (Adam Jiricek)? Isn't that the Dvorsky of Defense?

ANSWER: We all know that Jiricek very likely won't work out. What I'd like to know is WHY ISN"T ARMY BEING QUESTIONED ABOUT THE WASTED PICK?
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Makes me think Armstrong saying he's "open" to bringing back Faksa means if he will take Sunny money he's welcome back, but if he's looking for more he had better look elsewhere.
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a smell of green grass wrote: 28 May 2025 16:46 pm
skilles wrote: 28 May 2025 14:09 pm I really think we are in great shape, I would call RD a top priority but not an urgent priority. Thats how I would rate our needs, I think 2c and RD are equally high priority but not equal urgency.

2C is the more urgent move but RD is the bigger move.

The 2c move determines the next 2 seasons while the RD move determines the next decade.
Notice how everyone considers the RD to be an issue? I have not seen 1 person indicate that that hole is potentially solved. Shouldn't it be considered solved since Army spent a Round 1 pick on a prospect in 2024 (Adam Jiricek)? Isn't that the Dvorsky of Defense?

ANSWER: We all know that Jiricek very likely won't work out. What I'd like to know is WHY ISN"T ARMY BEING QUESTIONED ABOUT THE WASTED PICK?
Nah it means the dude is 18 years old
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skilles wrote: 28 May 2025 18:45 pm
a smell of green grass wrote: 28 May 2025 16:46 pm
skilles wrote: 28 May 2025 14:09 pm I really think we are in great shape, I would call RD a top priority but not an urgent priority. Thats how I would rate our needs, I think 2c and RD are equally high priority but not equal urgency.

2C is the more urgent move but RD is the bigger move.

The 2c move determines the next 2 seasons while the RD move determines the next decade.
Notice how everyone considers the RD to be an issue? I have not seen 1 person indicate that that hole is potentially solved. Shouldn't it be considered solved since Army spent a Round 1 pick on a prospect in 2024 (Adam Jiricek)? Isn't that the Dvorsky of Defense?

ANSWER: We all know that Jiricek very likely won't work out. What I'd like to know is WHY ISN"T ARMY BEING QUESTIONED ABOUT THE WASTED PICK?
Nah it means the dude is 18 years old
The biggest move on Skilles's reply is his ponnochio nose.
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a smell of green grass wrote: 28 May 2025 18:55 pm
skilles wrote: 28 May 2025 18:45 pm
a smell of green grass wrote: 28 May 2025 16:46 pm
skilles wrote: 28 May 2025 14:09 pm I really think we are in great shape, I would call RD a top priority but not an urgent priority. Thats how I would rate our needs, I think 2c and RD are equally high priority but not equal urgency.

2C is the more urgent move but RD is the bigger move.

The 2c move determines the next 2 seasons while the RD move determines the next decade.
Notice how everyone considers the RD to be an issue? I have not seen 1 person indicate that that hole is potentially solved. Shouldn't it be considered solved since Army spent a Round 1 pick on a prospect in 2024 (Adam Jiricek)? Isn't that the Dvorsky of Defense?

ANSWER: We all know that Jiricek very likely won't work out. What I'd like to know is WHY ISN"T ARMY BEING QUESTIONED ABOUT THE WASTED PICK?
Nah it means the dude is 18 years old
The biggest move on Skilles's reply is his ponnochio nose.
I'm not even going to try to figure out what you are even talking about.
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Who is Ponnochio? Does he play RD?
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roadkillIL wrote: 28 May 2025 23:05 pm Who is Ponnochio? Does he play RD?
Goalie.
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