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Chiming in to this quality dialogue .
An OF with a cannon impacts games sometimes multiple times when he doesn't make an impact throw .
Ex. When I was young and Cardinals would play the Pittsburgh Pirates , the following scenarious would happen:

A. Cardinals have runner on 2nd .. hard hit single to right to Clemente . Third base coach holds up STOP sign immediately on the runner holding him at
Note: Even with 2 outs, where usually the coach will chance it , they aren't going to risk Clemente throwing him out by 7 ft.

B. Runner on 3d with 0 or 1 out ... Fly ball or liner to Clemente .. Coach does not send the runner after tagging up. Runner may bluff going down the line 10 or 15 ft. but he would quickly retreat as ball would be fired accurately to home. A Pop Warner is not going to challenge Clemente arm .

So sometimes an OF with a cannon doesn't even have to throw the ball and save runs for his team.

Still remember a play at Busch where a Cardinal guy hit a ball into RF corner . Batter was flying to get a triple . Clemente from the corner throws the ball on a line _Frozen rope ..all the way on a fly to the 3rd baseman with the ball landing in his glove right on the base . Runners foot is only 6 inches from the bag but tagged out. It was one of those OMG ! I can't believe what I just saw ! type moments. Clemente was slight build but what a whip for an arm.

Here is a sample of the stuff I saw as a kid when we went to Pirate/Cardinal games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enjypJWXVQs

3dender wrote: ↑12 May 2025 10:47 am

hmoss859 wrote: ↑12 May 2025 10:36 am I assume Walker gets runway at least thru end of May.

They face a ton of lefties coming up too

Sanchez
Luzardo
Ragans
Skubal

In the next few games.

Let's hope none of them have decent changeups, cause he also can't hit those from LHP (basically the equivalent of a RHP slider for him).

They all have good changeups

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑12 May 2025 08:03 am

3dender wrote: ↑12 May 2025 07:59 am

Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑12 May 2025 07:53 am

3dender wrote: ↑12 May 2025 07:49 am FWIW FanGraphs has Donovan as -1 OAA in LF and Noot as +1 in RF.

So it's possible Hurdy Gurdy isn't a far better outfielder?
I think both play good corner outfield defense. Just don't see much difference between the two.

Neither of them is embarrassing themselves out there, but the numbers say they're not necessarily as good as some folks are giving them credit for. My eye test tells me Donovan has somewhat more range and closing ability, while Noot has a much better arm. But that's just one pair of eyes

But...I don't think a great fielding corner outfielder makes much difference vs a decent fielding corner outfielder. I mean seriously, how many times is a game turned around by a great play with a corner outfielder? It's all about the bat, IMHO.

Soto doesn't get $60 million for his glove.
Got it

rockondlouie wrote: ↑12 May 2025 09:16 am When/If Walker and/or Gorman starts to really look like they're beat mentally from having no success, then you send them down.

If they're playing hard and still carrying a positive attitude, then they stay up.

Other than that I think Mo has given Oli marching orders to play them, especially Walker.

When might the teams production and the player production be at odds with each other?
Is there anything for the fans in this?