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thetank2 wrote: ↑11 May 2025 10:16 am

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑11 May 2025 08:57 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑10 May 2025 23:18 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑10 May 2025 22:56 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑10 May 2025 22:53 pm

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑10 May 2025 21:25 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑10 May 2025 20:55 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 May 2025 20:28 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑10 May 2025 19:34 pm Right. We're hitting on pretty much all cylinders, have the bullpen playing well, starters doing great, and only 2 games behind the Cubbies. So let's trade.

No kidding. Nobodies making significant trades in May

This team is NOT a contender. Matz Mikolas and Helsley are pending FA and Aranado is clearly not going to be here next season. There are so many holes to fill for the future how do you plan on doing it when spending is not an option? Holding pat would be the dumbest decision MO has ever made and that says alot. Bullpen is NOT playing well. The last 4 starters have went 7+ innings. They are bypassing the bullpen. Selling high is the smart move and I beleive teams that trade early will get the best results like last year. Waiting till deadline lessens the return.

With all due respect, you sound exactly like the thousands of idiots inundating Blues forums this past season. All season long it was "Blues aren't real contenders! The re-tool's a bust--give it up now for a total rebuild! Trade everyone for top-5 picks!"

2 months of good hockey later and 2 seconds away from winning the first round against the best team in the regular season and the Blues look like an up-and-coming powerhouse with a terrific mix of vets and young talent.

Ever wonder why NO team has a firesale in May? Because no team and no one, least of all internet trolls, are certain of their season's outcome 1/4 of the way in. Get over yourself and go back to your bridge, troll-lah-lah.

Apples and oranges.

You're talking about a salary cap league vs one that isn't.

Blues did not have pending FA with trade value and were further along in rebuild. Cardinals have many holes that need addressed and the owner does not want to spend.

The Blues have players to build around..the Cardinals not so much.

3 months ago, many Blues fans--the doomsdayers--mostly, thought the Blues had no ONE to build around. It was the same old sad stories every day:

-Thomas doesn't shoot
-Kyrou's soft and can't play D
-Parayko's back will never hold up
-Binnington has horrible regular-season numbers
-Schenn's an overthehill 3rd line center

And it was trade everyone now while they still have value and tank the season for top-5 picks so they can MAYBE compete by 2028-30.

Cardinals situation is almost exactly the same as the Blues. You're telling me Noot, Wynn, Donovan, Herrera, VSIII, Palante, Libby, McG and hopefully at least one or two of Burly, JWalk, Gorman. Do you think these are fake wins they've produced in convincing fashion now 7 days in a row?

I don't think Cards will win out but they have a lot of good, young talent to build around and with how weak the NLC is, it makes WAY more sense to compete and sell tickets and try for a playoff push while exposing these kids to it than it does to dump vets for a total rebuild.

As the Blues have shown.

+1

I don't trust the people saying they should sell.

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑11 May 2025 08:57 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑10 May 2025 23:18 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑10 May 2025 22:56 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑10 May 2025 22:53 pm

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑10 May 2025 21:25 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑10 May 2025 20:55 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 May 2025 20:28 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑10 May 2025 19:34 pm Right. We're hitting on pretty much all cylinders, have the bullpen playing well, starters doing great, and only 2 games behind the Cubbies. So let's trade.

No kidding. Nobodies making significant trades in May

This team is NOT a contender. Matz Mikolas and Helsley are pending FA and Aranado is clearly not going to be here next season. There are so many holes to fill for the future how do you plan on doing it when spending is not an option? Holding pat would be the dumbest decision MO has ever made and that says alot. Bullpen is NOT playing well. The last 4 starters have went 7+ innings. They are bypassing the bullpen. Selling high is the smart move and I beleive teams that trade early will get the best results like last year. Waiting till deadline lessens the return.

With all due respect, you sound exactly like the thousands of idiots inundating Blues forums this past season. All season long it was "Blues aren't real contenders! The re-tool's a bust--give it up now for a total rebuild! Trade everyone for top-5 picks!"

2 months of good hockey later and 2 seconds away from winning the first round against the best team in the regular season and the Blues look like an up-and-coming powerhouse with a terrific mix of vets and young talent.

Ever wonder why NO team has a firesale in May? Because no team and no one, least of all internet trolls, are certain of their season's outcome 1/4 of the way in. Get over yourself and go back to your bridge, troll-lah-lah.

Apples and oranges.

You're talking about a salary cap league vs one that isn't.

Blues did not have pending FA with trade value and were further along in rebuild. Cardinals have many holes that need addressed and the owner does not want to spend.

The Blues have players to build around..the Cardinals not so much.

3 months ago, many Blues fans--the doomsdayers--mostly, thought the Blues had no ONE to build around. It was the same old sad stories every day:

-Thomas doesn't shoot
-Kyrou's soft and can't play D
-Parayko's back will never hold up
-Binnington has horrible regular-season numbers
-Schenn's an overthehill 3rd line center

And it was trade everyone now while they still have value and tank the season for top-5 picks so they can MAYBE compete by 2028-30.

Cardinals situation is almost exactly the same as the Blues. You're telling me Noot, Wynn, Donovan, Herrera, VSIII, Palante, Libby, McG and hopefully at least one or two of Burly, JWalk, Gorman. Do you think these are fake wins they've produced in convincing fashion now 7 days in a row?

I don't think Cards will win out but they have a lot of good, young talent to build around and with how weak the NLC is, it makes WAY more sense to compete and sell tickets and try for a playoff push while exposing these kids to it than it does to dump vets for a total rebuild.

As the Blues have shown.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑11 May 2025 12:20 pm

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑11 May 2025 08:57 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑10 May 2025 23:18 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑10 May 2025 22:56 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑10 May 2025 22:53 pm

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑10 May 2025 21:25 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑10 May 2025 20:55 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 May 2025 20:28 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑10 May 2025 19:34 pm Right. We're hitting on pretty much all cylinders, have the bullpen playing well, starters doing great, and only 2 games behind the Cubbies. So let's trade.

No kidding. Nobodies making significant trades in May

This team is NOT a contender. Matz Mikolas and Helsley are pending FA and Aranado is clearly not going to be here next season. There are so many holes to fill for the future how do you plan on doing it when spending is not an option? Holding pat would be the dumbest decision MO has ever made and that says alot. Bullpen is NOT playing well. The last 4 starters have went 7+ innings. They are bypassing the bullpen. Selling high is the smart move and I beleive teams that trade early will get the best results like last year. Waiting till deadline lessens the return.

With all due respect, you sound exactly like the thousands of idiots inundating Blues forums this past season. All season long it was "Blues aren't real contenders! The re-tool's a bust--give it up now for a total rebuild! Trade everyone for top-5 picks!"

2 months of good hockey later and 2 seconds away from winning the first round against the best team in the regular season and the Blues look like an up-and-coming powerhouse with a terrific mix of vets and young talent.

Ever wonder why NO team has a firesale in May? Because no team and no one, least of all internet trolls, are certain of their season's outcome 1/4 of the way in. Get over yourself and go back to your bridge, troll-lah-lah.

Apples and oranges.

You're talking about a salary cap league vs one that isn't.

Blues did not have pending FA with trade value and were further along in rebuild. Cardinals have many holes that need addressed and the owner does not want to spend.

The Blues have players to build around..the Cardinals not so much.

3 months ago, many Blues fans--the doomsdayers--mostly, thought the Blues had no ONE to build around. It was the same old sad stories every day:

-Thomas doesn't shoot
-Kyrou's soft and can't play D
-Parayko's back will never hold up
-Binnington has horrible regular-season numbers
-Schenn's an overthehill 3rd line center

And it was trade everyone now while they still have value and tank the season for top-5 picks so they can MAYBE compete by 2028-30.

Cardinals situation is almost exactly the same as the Blues. You're telling me Noot, Wynn, Donovan, Herrera, VSIII, Palante, Libby, McG and hopefully at least one or two of Burly, JWalk, Gorman. Do you think these are fake wins they've produced in convincing fashion now 7 days in a row?

I don't think Cards will win out but they have a lot of good, young talent to build around and with how weak the NLC is, it makes WAY more sense to compete and sell tickets and try for a playoff push while exposing these kids to it than it does to dump vets for a total rebuild.

As the Blues have shown.

Wins are wins of course albeit five of them have come at the expense of two of the worst teams in baseball and a 6th came against a rookie making his first major league start.

Now for the Cardinal-Blue discussion.

Thomas and Parayko while not elite are closer to it than anyone the Cardinals have and are in their prime especially Thomas who will be the team's next captain. Kyrou although pretty much a one-dimensional player being a 35-goal scorer is in today's NHL valuable and Binnington is a guy any team would want in a playoff series.

Winn, Donovan are good pieces but not in the Thomas, Parayko category at least not yet and neither is Nootbar or anyone else with those players Scott, Herrera, Libby not having the body of work to go on.

The bigger issue is a salary cap league vs one that isn't.

The Cardinals won't or can't buy their way into a competitive situation which puts them on a not so level playing field whereas the Blues can ply by the same rules as the other teams in the NHL and therefore can theoretically climb back into being a legitimate contender much sooner and have proven to do so.

Youboughtit wrote: ↑11 May 2025 12:49 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑11 May 2025 12:20 pm

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑11 May 2025 08:57 am

11WSChamps wrote: ↑10 May 2025 23:18 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑10 May 2025 22:56 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑10 May 2025 22:53 pm

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑10 May 2025 21:25 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑10 May 2025 20:55 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑10 May 2025 20:28 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑10 May 2025 19:34 pm Right. We're hitting on pretty much all cylinders, have the bullpen playing well, starters doing great, and only 2 games behind the Cubbies. So let's trade.

No kidding. Nobodies making significant trades in May

This team is NOT a contender. Matz Mikolas and Helsley are pending FA and Aranado is clearly not going to be here next season. There are so many holes to fill for the future how do you plan on doing it when spending is not an option? Holding pat would be the dumbest decision MO has ever made and that says alot. Bullpen is NOT playing well. The last 4 starters have went 7+ innings. They are bypassing the bullpen. Selling high is the smart move and I beleive teams that trade early will get the best results like last year. Waiting till deadline lessens the return.

With all due respect, you sound exactly like the thousands of idiots inundating Blues forums this past season. All season long it was "Blues aren't real contenders! The re-tool's a bust--give it up now for a total rebuild! Trade everyone for top-5 picks!"

2 months of good hockey later and 2 seconds away from winning the first round against the best team in the regular season and the Blues look like an up-and-coming powerhouse with a terrific mix of vets and young talent.

Ever wonder why NO team has a firesale in May? Because no team and no one, least of all internet trolls, are certain of their season's outcome 1/4 of the way in. Get over yourself and go back to your bridge, troll-lah-lah.

Apples and oranges.

You're talking about a salary cap league vs one that isn't.

Blues did not have pending FA with trade value and were further along in rebuild. Cardinals have many holes that need addressed and the owner does not want to spend.

The Blues have players to build around..the Cardinals not so much.

3 months ago, many Blues fans--the doomsdayers--mostly, thought the Blues had no ONE to build around. It was the same old sad stories every day:

-Thomas doesn't shoot
-Kyrou's soft and can't play D
-Parayko's back will never hold up
-Binnington has horrible regular-season numbers
-Schenn's an overthehill 3rd line center

And it was trade everyone now while they still have value and tank the season for top-5 picks so they can MAYBE compete by 2028-30.

Cardinals situation is almost exactly the same as the Blues. You're telling me Noot, Wynn, Donovan, Herrera, VSIII, Palante, Libby, McG and hopefully at least one or two of Burly, JWalk, Gorman. Do you think these are fake wins they've produced in convincing fashion now 7 days in a row?

I don't think Cards will win out but they have a lot of good, young talent to build around and with how weak the NLC is, it makes WAY more sense to compete and sell tickets and try for a playoff push while exposing these kids to it than it does to dump vets for a total rebuild.

As the Blues have shown.

Wins are wins of course albeit five of them have come at the expense of two of the worst teams in baseball and a 6th came against a rookie making his first major league start.

Now for the Cardinal-Blue discussion.

Thomas and Parayko while not elite are closer to it than anyone the Cardinals have and are in their prime especially Thomas who will be the team's next captain. Kyrou although pretty much a one-dimensional player being a 35-goal scorer is in today's NHL valuable and Binnington is a guy any team would want in a playoff series.

Winn, Donovan are good pieces but not in the Thomas, Parayko category at least not yet and neither is Nootbar or anyone else with those players Scott, Herrera, Libby not having the body of work to go on.

The bigger issue is a salary cap league vs one that isn't.

The Cardinals won't or can't buy their way into a competitive situation which puts them on a not so level playing field whereas the Blues can ply by the same rules as the other teams in the NHL and therefore can theoretically climb back into being a legitimate contender much sooner and have proven to do so.

And pending FA with trade value. Holding them for the last WC at the cost of the future would be another idiotic MO move.