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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 08:54 am

Cranny wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 08:49 am

Melville wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 08:38 am

Cranny wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 08:09 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 08:03 am

Melville wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 07:59 am STL will lose Fedde and Mikolas this fall.
Matz as well.
2 rotation spots open and one depth piece gone too.
McGreevy can only fill one of those starter roles.
Pallante is indeed a solid #4 and that will come in handy.

He pitches into the fifth inning plus every game. Allows 4 or less. Team is 3-2 in these Number five slot games. Strong number 4/5. And his K’s are starting to increase.

If he becomes a strikeout threat with his few walks, could become a mid rotation power.

Next season -

Gray
Pallante
Liberatore
McGreevy
?

Will it be Mathews? Roby? Hence? Henderson? Someone from outside?

As it stands currently, STL will be thin concerning established starting pitchers next year.
Can't see them betting too heavily on Hence or Roby, given the history of those 2.
Talent is there - but huge questions of reliability.
Don't think they will want to count on Mathews from opening day either.
They would probably prefer to take the McGreevy route initially.
Finally, there is a huge gap between Gray and the rest of the scrum.
My guess is they go outside for a #2.

Makes sense, but not a long term FA contract for a #2, with Mathews, Hence, and Roby in the wings. BDW doesn’t think that way.

The key words there are long term. These days, long term is riddles with opt outs and NTC, they rarely run their terms.

I suspect they would prefer a trade.
Nootbaar, Walker, Herrera, one of Crooks/Bernal/Rodriguez.
They have pieces to move.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 11:54 am Good morning.

Has has several good games before this year. Currently, 2-0, tied for fifth. 2.20 era-23rd., 1.04 whip-28th.

16.1 innings, 10 hits 4 runs 4 ER 2 HR 7 BB 13 K.

His issue is walks. Almost one wvery two innings. A pitch to contact ground ball machine.

Can he be league level, or Cardinal level Ace.

Thoughts.

Dog, I just hope that AP2 (not the OG AP) becomes a NL All Star for the Cards. That’s where I set the bar NL All Star.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 08:35 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 08:32 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 08:26 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 08:23 am I was there last night BDog and like he's done throughout his career your guy Pallante was matserful.

Now if we could just start him vs the Reds................

Was he good? Why then was he pulled after six at 87 pitches. And then use five total pitchers.

Why not start him in seventh. King about blew it.

Outstanding like he's been his whole career vs the Reds who he owns!

OMGosh BDog it was soooooooooooooooooo hot, I was melting and felt really bad for the guys.

I was actually surprised Oli sent him out there for the 7th, glad to see him rescue him from the heat after the base hit.

King may need to go, he's bee horrible now for a while

Thanx nice roll up. So he did see the seventh. Ok I’m good.

Yes hot. First heat wave rattles the senses. Wait till today- 98 in the sun for day game. Will be brutal.

Fortunately for me virtually all of my Sat/Sun day game tixs are always requested so I'll be in the nice AC watching like you!

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 11:54 am Good morning.

Has has several good games before this year. Currently, 2-0, tied for fifth. 2.20 era-23rd., 1.04 whip-28th.

16.1 innings, 10 hits 4 runs 4 ER 2 HR 7 BB 13 K.

His issue is walks. Almost one wvery two innings. A pitch to contact ground ball machine.

Can he be league level, or Cardinal level Ace.

Thoughts.

Now we are talking some good stuff here. I thought I was the only one who really liked Pallante and believe he is a real sleeper in a value extension. Now that he has figured it out with his curveball, I seriously believe he has a lot of Waino in him with that kind of upside. He seems like a hard worker and an innings eater that just seems like he is happy to be in the big leagues. He is easy to root for. If you could get a 5 or 6 year extension for $30-$35 million it could be gold. If we are value shoppers and looking cheap these days. I like Pallante.

Ike Hammett wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 10:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2025 11:54 am Good morning.

Has has several good games before this year. Currently, 2-0, tied for fifth. 2.20 era-23rd., 1.04 whip-28th.

16.1 innings, 10 hits 4 runs 4 ER 2 HR 7 BB 13 K.

His issue is walks. Almost one wvery two innings. A pitch to contact ground ball machine.

Can he be league level, or Cardinal level Ace.

Thoughts.

Now we are talking some good stuff here. I thought I was the only one who really liked Pallante and believe he is a real sleeper in a value extension. Now that he has figured it out with his curveball, I seriously believe he has a lot of Waino in him with that kind of upside. He seems like a hard worker and an innings eater that just seems like he is happy to be in the big leagues. He is easy to root for. If you could get a 5 or 6 year extension for $30-$35 million it could be gold. If we are value shoppers and looking cheap these days. I like Pallante.

One I’ve watched last couple years. Has big - game potential stuff. If his curve is the pitch, I’ve noticed a tik up in K’s.

His BABIP in 2024 was .286, now .275, so it's possibly sustainable with his high GB rate on a good defensive team.
His GB% is elite at a career 65.9% (64.1% this year). He's 2nd in MLB in that % this year with Framber Valdez #3 at 59.1%.

His BB/9 has gone from 3.97 to 3.56 to 2.95 over the past three years, so that's a good sign.
His K-rate has always been around 6/9, so that's just who he is and will prevent him from being better than a #3.

ClassicO wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 11:04 am His BABIP in 2024 was .286, now .275, so it's possibly sustainable with his high GB rate on a good defensive team.
His GB% is elite at a career 65.9% (64.1% this year). He's 2nd in MLB in that % this year with Framber Valdez #3 at 59.1%.

His BB/9 has gone from 3.97 to 3.56 to 2.95 over the past three years, so that's a good sign.
His K-rate has always been around 6/9, so that's just who he is and will prevent him from being better than a #3.

I see nothing but positive in ur response. What’s wrong with him being that three or stud number four. We will always need pithing.

ClassicO wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 11:04 am His BABIP in 2024 was .286, now .275, so it's possibly sustainable with his high GB rate on a good defensive team.
His GB% is elite at a career 65.9% (64.1% this year). He's 2nd in MLB in that % this year with Framber Valdez #3 at 59.1%.

His BB/9 has gone from 3.97 to 3.56 to 2.95 over the past three years, so that's a good sign.
His K-rate has always been around 6/9, so that's just who he is and will prevent him from being better than a #3.

Yea, peripherally he’s been mostly similar to last year with an ERA that is 0.70 worse. That can probably be contributed to an increase in HRs given up (0.59 HR/9 last year vs 1.2 HR/9 this year). Last year his HR/FB% was probably on the lucky end at 9.6% while this year it’s more on the unlucky end at 22.4%. His career% is 15.9%, which is higher than league average (11-13% over the last 5 seasons), although that’s probably due to him being a ground ball pitcher. Less balls in the air means if you give up a HR the % is going to be higher than a fly ball pitcher.

His barrel% is also up at 7.1%. His previous career high was 3.5% in 2023.

Last year his xERA was 3.46, this year it’s 4.19.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:47 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 11:04 am His BABIP in 2024 was .286, now .275, so it's possibly sustainable with his high GB rate on a good defensive team.
His GB% is elite at a career 65.9% (64.1% this year). He's 2nd in MLB in that % this year with Framber Valdez #3 at 59.1%.

His BB/9 has gone from 3.97 to 3.56 to 2.95 over the past three years, so that's a good sign.
His K-rate has always been around 6/9, so that's just who he is and will prevent him from being better than a #3.

I see nothing but positive in ur response. What’s wrong with him being that three or stud number four. We will always need pithing.

There's nothing wrong with him being a 3 or 4. I was trying to be positive about that.

ClassicO wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 17:38 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:47 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 11:04 am His BABIP in 2024 was .286, now .275, so it's possibly sustainable with his high GB rate on a good defensive team.
His GB% is elite at a career 65.9% (64.1% this year). He's 2nd in MLB in that % this year with Framber Valdez #3 at 59.1%.

His BB/9 has gone from 3.97 to 3.56 to 2.95 over the past three years, so that's a good sign.
His K-rate has always been around 6/9, so that's just who he is and will prevent him from being better than a #3.

I see nothing but positive in ur response. What’s wrong with him being that three or stud number four. We will always need pithing.

There's nothing wrong with him being a 3 or 4. I was trying to be positive about that.

No you did fine . I was not writing well. Now if he is a stud three, then we are getting close.

Pallante
Mcg
Gray
Libby

We are close to the youngest and best staff in baseball.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑24 Jun 2025 06:18 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 17:38 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:47 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 11:04 am His BABIP in 2024 was .286, now .275, so it's possibly sustainable with his high GB rate on a good defensive team.
His GB% is elite at a career 65.9% (64.1% this year). He's 2nd in MLB in that % this year with Framber Valdez #3 at 59.1%.

His BB/9 has gone from 3.97 to 3.56 to 2.95 over the past three years, so that's a good sign.
His K-rate has always been around 6/9, so that's just who he is and will prevent him from being better than a #3.

I see nothing but positive in ur response. What’s wrong with him being that three or stud number four. We will always need pithing.

There's nothing wrong with him being a 3 or 4. I was trying to be positive about that.

No you did fine . I was not writing well. Now if he is a stud three, then we are getting close.

Pallante
Mcg
Gray
Libby

We are close to the youngest and best staff in baseball.

I can only find four SPs for 2026 as well. You need at least 6 to count on going in.
Gray and Libby could be a solid #1, #2.
McGreevy and Pallante are not bad 3/4s.
Finding a reliable #5 and backup isn't going to be easy, as I doubt the Cards will sign any FA starters this offseason. There are many available, but they'll ask for the moon.
So it's Matheews, Greaceffo and Roby as your options.

ClassicO wrote: ↑24 Jun 2025 10:47 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑24 Jun 2025 06:18 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 17:38 pm

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2025 09:47 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025 11:04 am His BABIP in 2024 was .286, now .275, so it's possibly sustainable with his high GB rate on a good defensive team.
His GB% is elite at a career 65.9% (64.1% this year). He's 2nd in MLB in that % this year with Framber Valdez #3 at 59.1%.

His BB/9 has gone from 3.97 to 3.56 to 2.95 over the past three years, so that's a good sign.
His K-rate has always been around 6/9, so that's just who he is and will prevent him from being better than a #3.

I see nothing but positive in ur response. What’s wrong with him being that three or stud number four. We will always need pithing.

There's nothing wrong with him being a 3 or 4. I was trying to be positive about that.

No you did fine . I was not writing well. Now if he is a stud three, then we are getting close.

Pallante
Mcg
Gray
Libby

We are close to the youngest and best staff in baseball.

I can only find four SPs for 2026 as well. You need at least 6 to count on going in.
Gray and Libby could be a solid #1, #2.
McGreevy and Pallante are not bad 3/4s.
Finding a reliable #5 and backup isn't going to be easy, as I doubt the Cards will sign any FA starters this offseason. There are many available, but they'll ask for the moon.
So it's Matheews, Greaceffo and Roby as your options.

Exactly what the saved monies from the reset. Sign top level pitcher. Or trade, and a bat. Two off seasons to do it.

I love bumping this one. Is/was my guy to be a 2-3 type pitcher.

Outdueled Skenes. On the Road. No matter who you are, that is serious potential.

A strong number four, and adequate number three.