Poll- Winn leadoff

[sikeston bulldog2]

Scott at leadoff.
Mootbaar on the bench or traded.
Correct baseball decision.

The expert has spoken.

Yes you have.

Do you think Winn belongs at leadoff. So far, not one.

[Melville]

Scott at leadoff.
Mootbaar on the bench or traded.
Correct baseball decision.

What drives your negative obsession with Noot? I'm being serious...you're typically fairly reasonable EXCEPT when it comes to this particular player.

Yes, he's oft-injured. That has to change. But when healthy, he's a good player. Not a Superstar, possibly never an All Star, but on this team???? A good player.

He runs well and is a fine corner outfielder. He's not great in CF, but he's not awful either. And...he gets on base.

With almost 1,200 MLB ABs he has a line of:

.246/.348/.425/.774/115

And this is while he's fighting injuries. The .348 OBP plays on this team! Heck, it's around a top 15 NL number!

And yet...you do nothing but criticize. I don't get it? A healthy Noot is a huge plus at the top of a lineup. So what is it? If it's the injuries, fair enough. If something else, please explain.

I do not criticize players.
I am not "for" nor "against" anyone in particular.
Ever.
I simply do a fair, unbiased analysis in every instance and then arrive at the correct baseball decision.
FACT is, Lars the Human Sushi-baar (he always leaves the team and fans with any empty feeling) is now entering his 5th MLB season.
He is a corner outfielder who has never hit 15 HR in a season, never driven in 50 runs, has never scored 75 runs (and only once exceeded 53), never has more than 426 AB's (his 2nd best was a paltry 348), and has only managed to start 315 games in the past 4 seasons.
Only a fool - such as Super Slo Mo - would continue to expect Mootbaar to ever become a reliable, effective, productive key roster piece at this point.
He isn't.
He will never be.
The misplaced repeated opportunities being given to him is nothing more than the repeated similar idiocy the team displayed with DeJong, The Paper Tyler, and The Poser.
All were epic failures with the Cardinals, despite a brief flash here and there.
Mootbaar is the same.
Nothing personal against him.
Probably a good guy (although his seriousness about the game is certainly questionable).
But he has failed.
Long past time to move on.
The CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to trade him - and that has been true for the past 2 years.

He's been hurt. A lot.

But....

HE GETS ON BASE! Period.

Does he?
In the past 3 years a designated starting outfielder, he did not reach base at all in the 152 games he missed.
.000 OBP in roughly 600 opportunities to reach base.
Period.

Yes, he's hurt. Maybe he'll be hurt this season. Maybe he won't.

But....

If healthy, HE GETS ON BASE. Career .348 OBP.
2025 ST? .462 OBP.

You're simply being disingenuous as well deliberately obtuse. Full of bias.

Never.
Completely without bias concerning all players.
If a starting corner outfielder misses 30-40 games a year, it is the same as going 0-100 or 0-130.

[hilton head is 4 idiots]

Scott at leadoff.
Mootbaar on the bench or traded.
Correct baseball decision.

What drives your negative obsession with Noot? I'm being serious...you're typically fairly reasonable EXCEPT when it comes to this particular player.

Yes, he's oft-injured. That has to change. But when healthy, he's a good player. Not a Superstar, possibly never an All Star, but on this team???? A good player.

He runs well and is a fine corner outfielder. He's not great in CF, but he's not awful either. And...he gets on base.

With almost 1,200 MLB ABs he has a line of:

.246/.348/.425/.774/115

And this is while he's fighting injuries. The .348 OBP plays on this team! Heck, it's around a top 15 NL number!

And yet...you do nothing but criticize. I don't get it? A healthy Noot is a huge plus at the top of a lineup. So what is it? If it's the injuries, fair enough. If something else, please explain.

I do not criticize players.
I am not "for" nor "against" anyone in particular.
Ever.
I simply do a fair, unbiased analysis in every instance and then arrive at the correct baseball decision.
FACT is, Lars the Human Sushi-baar (he always leaves the team and fans with any empty feeling) is now entering his 5th MLB season.
He is a corner outfielder who has never hit 15 HR in a season, never driven in 50 runs, has never scored 75 runs (and only once exceeded 53), never has more than 426 AB's (his 2nd best was a paltry 348), and has only managed to start 315 games in the past 4 seasons.
Only a fool - such as Super Slo Mo - would continue to expect Mootbaar to ever become a reliable, effective, productive key roster piece at this point.
He isn't.
He will never be.
The misplaced repeated opportunities being given to him is nothing more than the repeated similar idiocy the team displayed with DeJong, The Paper Tyler, and The Poser.
All were epic failures with the Cardinals, despite a brief flash here and there.
Mootbaar is the same.
Nothing personal against him.
Probably a good guy (although his seriousness about the game is certainly questionable).
But he has failed.
Long past time to move on.
The CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to trade him - and that has been true for the past 2 years.

Great to see the COWARDLY LIAR is bringing back his "racism" once again. He has been absent quite often since his "96 HOUR GUARANTEE" was a complete failure and backfired on him tremendously. So he has spent a few weeks "checking in" but not posting. It figures.

Now he is back to his old tired biased agenda where he targets the CARDINALS BEST OVERALL OUTFIELDER AND CLAIMS HE NEEDS TO BE BENCHED OR TRADED. I am sure the narcissist hated today's game, where the stars were Arenado, Burleson, Nootbaar, Donovan, and Pallante. Certainly others contributed as well in the 16 hit attack, but the main producers were the ones I listed above ---- all players the COWARDLY LIAR holds a strong bias against.

There is no doubt that even Noot himself knows he has to stay healthy and play 145+ games to become the star he is capable of; but no one with an open and honest mind, FREE OF BIAS AND MISINFORMATION can say Nootbaar is not a very productive player when he plays.

162 game averages of 75 runs, 19 HRS and 60 RBIS with .348 OBP and .774 OPS that would start for 28 of the 30 major league team right now.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Scott at leadoff.
Mootbaar on the bench or traded.
Correct baseball decision.

What drives your negative obsession with Noot? I'm being serious...you're typically fairly reasonable EXCEPT when it comes to this particular player.

Yes, he's oft-injured. That has to change. But when healthy, he's a good player. Not a Superstar, possibly never an All Star, but on this team???? A good player.

He runs well and is a fine corner outfielder. He's not great in CF, but he's not awful either. And...he gets on base.

With almost 1,200 MLB ABs he has a line of:

.246/.348/.425/.774/115

And this is while he's fighting injuries. The .348 OBP plays on this team! Heck, it's around a top 15 NL number!

And yet...you do nothing but criticize. I don't get it? A healthy Noot is a huge plus at the top of a lineup. So what is it? If it's the injuries, fair enough. If something else, please explain.

I do not criticize players.
I am not "for" nor "against" anyone in particular.
Ever.
I simply do a fair, unbiased analysis in every instance and then arrive at the correct baseball decision.
FACT is, Lars the Human Sushi-baar (he always leaves the team and fans with any empty feeling) is now entering his 5th MLB season.
He is a corner outfielder who has never hit 15 HR in a season, never driven in 50 runs, has never scored 75 runs (and only once exceeded 53), never has more than 426 AB's (his 2nd best was a paltry 348), and has only managed to start 315 games in the past 4 seasons.
Only a fool - such as Super Slo Mo - would continue to expect Mootbaar to ever become a reliable, effective, productive key roster piece at this point.
He isn't.
He will never be.
The misplaced repeated opportunities being given to him is nothing more than the repeated similar idiocy the team displayed with DeJong, The Paper Tyler, and The Poser.
All were epic failures with the Cardinals, despite a brief flash here and there.
Mootbaar is the same.
Nothing personal against him.
Probably a good guy (although his seriousness about the game is certainly questionable).
But he has failed.
Long past time to move on.
The CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to trade him - and that has been true for the past 2 years.

He's been hurt. A lot.

But....

HE GETS ON BASE! Period.

Does he?
In the past 3 years a designated starting outfielder, he did not reach base at all in the 152 games he missed.
.000 OBP in roughly 600 opportunities to reach base.
Period.

Yes, he's hurt. Maybe he'll be hurt this season. Maybe he won't.

But....

If healthy, HE GETS ON BASE. Career .348 OBP.
2025 ST? .462 OBP.

You're simply being disingenuous as well deliberately obtuse. Full of bias.

Never.
Completely without bias concerning all players.
If a starting corner outfielder misses 30-40 games a year, it is the same as going 0-100 or 0-130.

No it’s not. There is a sub. Who produces in those 100 or better at bats. This producing a stat line.

[Melville]

Scott at leadoff.
Mootbaar on the bench or traded.
Correct baseball decision.

What drives your negative obsession with Noot? I'm being serious...you're typically fairly reasonable EXCEPT when it comes to this particular player.

Yes, he's oft-injured. That has to change. But when healthy, he's a good player. Not a Superstar, possibly never an All Star, but on this team???? A good player.

He runs well and is a fine corner outfielder. He's not great in CF, but he's not awful either. And...he gets on base.

With almost 1,200 MLB ABs he has a line of:

.246/.348/.425/.774/115

And this is while he's fighting injuries. The .348 OBP plays on this team! Heck, it's around a top 15 NL number!

And yet...you do nothing but criticize. I don't get it? A healthy Noot is a huge plus at the top of a lineup. So what is it? If it's the injuries, fair enough. If something else, please explain.

I do not criticize players.
I am not "for" nor "against" anyone in particular.
Ever.
I simply do a fair, unbiased analysis in every instance and then arrive at the correct baseball decision.
FACT is, Lars the Human Sushi-baar (he always leaves the team and fans with any empty feeling) is now entering his 5th MLB season.
He is a corner outfielder who has never hit 15 HR in a season, never driven in 50 runs, has never scored 75 runs (and only once exceeded 53), never has more than 426 AB's (his 2nd best was a paltry 348), and has only managed to start 315 games in the past 4 seasons.
Only a fool - such as Super Slo Mo - would continue to expect Mootbaar to ever become a reliable, effective, productive key roster piece at this point.
He isn't.
He will never be.
The misplaced repeated opportunities being given to him is nothing more than the repeated similar idiocy the team displayed with DeJong, The Paper Tyler, and The Poser.
All were epic failures with the Cardinals, despite a brief flash here and there.
Mootbaar is the same.
Nothing personal against him.
Probably a good guy (although his seriousness about the game is certainly questionable).
But he has failed.
Long past time to move on.
The CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to trade him - and that has been true for the past 2 years.

He's been hurt. A lot.

But....

HE GETS ON BASE! Period.

Does he?
In the past 3 years a designated starting outfielder, he did not reach base at all in the 152 games he missed.
.000 OBP in roughly 600 opportunities to reach base.
Period.

Yes, he's hurt. Maybe he'll be hurt this season. Maybe he won't.

But....

If healthy, HE GETS ON BASE. Career .348 OBP.
2025 ST? .462 OBP.

You're simply being disingenuous as well deliberately obtuse. Full of bias.

Never.
Completely without bias concerning all players.
If a starting corner outfielder misses 30-40 games a year, it is the same as going 0-100 or 0-130.

No it’s not. There is a sub. Who produces in those 100 or better at bats. This producing a stat line.

Respectfully disagree.
The starting corner outfielder still missed 100-130 PA's when missing 30-40 games per year.
Which means THAT starter's production is exactly the same as going 0-100, or 0-130.

[hilton head is 4 idiots]

Scott at leadoff.
Mootbaar on the bench or traded.
Correct baseball decision.

What drives your negative obsession with Noot? I'm being serious...you're typically fairly reasonable EXCEPT when it comes to this particular player.

Yes, he's oft-injured. That has to change. But when healthy, he's a good player. Not a Superstar, possibly never an All Star, but on this team???? A good player.

He runs well and is a fine corner outfielder. He's not great in CF, but he's not awful either. And...he gets on base.

With almost 1,200 MLB ABs he has a line of:

.246/.348/.425/.774/115

And this is while he's fighting injuries. The .348 OBP plays on this team! Heck, it's around a top 15 NL number!

And yet...you do nothing but criticize. I don't get it? A healthy Noot is a huge plus at the top of a lineup. So what is it? If it's the injuries, fair enough. If something else, please explain.

I do not criticize players.
I am not "for" nor "against" anyone in particular.
Ever.
I simply do a fair, unbiased analysis in every instance and then arrive at the correct baseball decision.
FACT is, Lars the Human Sushi-baar (he always leaves the team and fans with any empty feeling) is now entering his 5th MLB season.
He is a corner outfielder who has never hit 15 HR in a season, never driven in 50 runs, has never scored 75 runs (and only once exceeded 53), never has more than 426 AB's (his 2nd best was a paltry 348), and has only managed to start 315 games in the past 4 seasons.
Only a fool - such as Super Slo Mo - would continue to expect Mootbaar to ever become a reliable, effective, productive key roster piece at this point.
He isn't.
He will never be.
The misplaced repeated opportunities being given to him is nothing more than the repeated similar idiocy the team displayed with DeJong, The Paper Tyler, and The Poser.
All were epic failures with the Cardinals, despite a brief flash here and there.
Mootbaar is the same.
Nothing personal against him.
Probably a good guy (although his seriousness about the game is certainly questionable).
But he has failed.
Long past time to move on.
The CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to trade him - and that has been true for the past 2 years.

He's been hurt. A lot.

But....

HE GETS ON BASE! Period.

Does he?
In the past 3 years a designated starting outfielder, he did not reach base at all in the 152 games he missed.
.000 OBP in roughly 600 opportunities to reach base.
Period.

Yes, he's hurt. Maybe he'll be hurt this season. Maybe he won't.

But....

If healthy, HE GETS ON BASE. Career .348 OBP.
2025 ST? .462 OBP.

You're simply being disingenuous as well deliberately obtuse. Full of bias.

Never.
Completely without bias concerning all players.
If a starting corner outfielder misses 30-40 games a year, it is the same as going 0-100 or 0-130.

No it’s not. There is a sub. Who produces in those 100 or better at bats. This producing a stat line.

Respectfully disagree.
The starting corner outfielder still missed 100-130 PA's when missing 30-40 games per year.
Which means THAT starter's production is exactly the same as going 0-100, or 0-130.

Glad to have you claim bulldog was wrong and you simply add the at bats as an 0 for ??? when games are missed.

Ok, always being kind and gracious by Divine Intervention, we will use YOUR criteria without dispute.

I wondered why you abandoned the failing uniKKKKorn so quickly, but now I see why.

He went 0 for 55 games last year, which means he ended up with 74 hits in 608 at bats. That's a horrible. 122 batting average, which makes a Mendoza line look like Ty Cobb.

No hits, HRS, runs scored, or RBIS in the uniKKKKorn's final 206 at bats in 2024.

Glad you could finally produce your 2nd ever unbiased baseball post.

[cardsfaninla]

So far he seems like a 7-9 hitter.

He hasn't been a great leadoff hitter. However, I certainly get why they want to give him many many chances to figure it out.

Baseball obsessions can be very fun...

[Cardinals4Life]

There has been no one yet to endorse whether non at lead off. I ask again. How can we be so wrong and one man so right.

Blows my buzz.

Speaking of one man being so right.....

If the Cardinals are serious about 2025 being the season which determines the plan for the years which follow, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is as follows (against RH starters):

1. Scott - CF
2. Winn - SS
3. Donovan - 2B
4. Contreras - 1B
5. Burleson - DH
6. Gorman - 3B
7. Walker - RF
8. Pages / Herrera C (2-way competition)
9. Mootbaar / Koperniak / RH hitter (3-way competition)

You are close, but the correct baseball decision in your scenario would be:

1.) Nootbaar LF
2.) Donovan 2B
3.) Contreras 1B
4.) Arenado 3B
5.) Burleson DH
6.) Herrera C
7.) Walker RF
8 ) Winn SS
9.) Scott II CF

This gives you 2 OBP guys (Noot, Donovan) ahead of your 2 best run producers (Contreras, Arenado). Then you have a lefty (Burly) to round out your middle of the order. You place 2 guys with plus speed (Winn and Scott II) to connect to the top, where they can run in front of 2 patient hitters who are at the top.

Not an ideal lineup, but for what the Cards currently have (and in your scenario), as good as you can get.

If Scott shows he can be productive and get on base for an extended period of time, then perhaps he becomes the leadoff man (hopefully the long-term plan).

This is the correct baseball decision. Keep reading. Keep learning. It is what I do.

[TheFantasyStud]

There has been no one yet to endorse whether non at lead off. I ask again. How can we be so wrong and one man so right.

Blows my buzz.

Speaking of one man being so right.....

If the Cardinals are serious about 2025 being the season which determines the plan for the years which follow, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is as follows (against RH starters):

1. Scott - CF
2. Winn - SS
3. Donovan - 2B
4. Contreras - 1B
5. Burleson - DH
6. Gorman - 3B
7. Walker - RF
8. Pages / Herrera C (2-way competition)
9. Mootbaar / Koperniak / RH hitter (3-way competition)

You are close, but the correct baseball decision in your scenario would be:

1.) Nootbaar LF
2.) Donovan 2B
3.) Contreras 1B
4.) Arenado 3B
5.) Burleson DH
6.) Herrera C
7.) Walker RF
8 ) Winn SS
9.) Scott II CF

This gives you 2 OBP guys (Noot, Donovan) ahead of your 2 best run producers (Contreras, Arenado). Then you have a lefty (Burly) to round out your middle of the order. You place 2 guys with plus speed (Winn and Scott II) to connect to the top, where they can run in front of 2 patient hitters who are at the top.

Not an ideal lineup, but for what the Cards currently have (and in your scenario), as good as you can get.

If Scott shows he can be productive and get on base for an extended period of time, then perhaps he becomes the leadoff man (hopefully the long-term plan).

This is the correct baseball decision. Keep reading. Keep learning. It is what I do.

Pretty close.

It’s a little better with
Nootbaar
Contreras
Donavan
Arenado
Burleson
Walker
Herrera
Winn
Scott II

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

NOOOOOO.

[Melville]

There has been no one yet to endorse whether non at lead off. I ask again. How can we be so wrong and one man so right.

Blows my buzz.

Speaking of one man being so right.....

If the Cardinals are serious about 2025 being the season which determines the plan for the years which follow, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is as follows (against RH starters):

1. Scott - CF
2. Winn - SS
3. Donovan - 2B
4. Contreras - 1B
5. Burleson - DH
6. Gorman - 3B
7. Walker - RF
8. Pages / Herrera C (2-way competition)
9. Mootbaar / Koperniak / RH hitter (3-way competition)

You are close, but the correct baseball decision in your scenario would be:

1.) Nootbaar LF
2.) Donovan 2B
3.) Contreras 1B
4.) Arenado 3B
5.) Burleson DH
6.) Herrera C
7.) Walker RF
8 ) Winn SS
9.) Scott II CF

This gives you 2 OBP guys (Noot, Donovan) ahead of your 2 best run producers (Contreras, Arenado). Then you have a lefty (Burly) to round out your middle of the order. You place 2 guys with plus speed (Winn and Scott II) to connect to the top, where they can run in front of 2 patient hitters who are at the top.

Not an ideal lineup, but for what the Cards currently have (and in your scenario), as good as you can get.

If Scott shows he can be productive and get on base for an extended period of time, then perhaps he becomes the leadoff man (hopefully the long-term plan).

This is the correct baseball decision. Keep reading. Keep learning. It is what I do.

Did you note the qualifier I provided?
It stated: "If the Cardinals are serious about 2025 being the season which determines the plan for the years which follow...".
Which is why my lineup eliminated N/A and relegated Mootbaar to a part time platoon competition in the 9 spot.
Neither of those players have any significance for the future.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

[Melville]

There has been no one yet to endorse whether non at lead off. I ask again. How can we be so wrong and one man so right.

Blows my buzz.

Speaking of one man being so right.....

If the Cardinals are serious about 2025 being the season which determines the plan for the years which follow, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is as follows (against RH starters):

1. Scott - CF
2. Winn - SS
3. Donovan - 2B
4. Contreras - 1B
5. Burleson - DH
6. Gorman - 3B
7. Walker - RF
8. Pages / Herrera C (2-way competition)
9. Mootbaar / Koperniak / RH hitter (3-way competition)

You are close, but the correct baseball decision in your scenario would be:

1.) Nootbaar LF
2.) Donovan 2B
3.) Contreras 1B
4.) Arenado 3B
5.) Burleson DH
6.) Herrera C
7.) Walker RF
8 ) Winn SS
9.) Scott II CF

This gives you 2 OBP guys (Noot, Donovan) ahead of your 2 best run producers (Contreras, Arenado). Then you have a lefty (Burly) to round out your middle of the order. You place 2 guys with plus speed (Winn and Scott II) to connect to the top, where they can run in front of 2 patient hitters who are at the top.

Not an ideal lineup, but for what the Cards currently have (and in your scenario), as good as you can get.

If Scott shows he can be productive and get on base for an extended period of time, then perhaps he becomes the leadoff man (hopefully the long-term plan).

This is the correct baseball decision. Keep reading. Keep learning. It is what I do.

Pretty close.

It’s a little better with
Nootbaar
Contreras
Donavan
Arenado
Burleson
Walker
Herrera
Winn
Scott II

Did you note the qualifier I provided?
It stated: "If the Cardinals are serious about 2025 being the season which determines the plan for the years which follow...".
Which is why my lineup eliminated N/A and relegated Mootbaar to a part time platoon competition in the 9 spot.
Neither of those players have any significance for the future with the team.
Therefore, the lineup I proposed is the perfect initial choice (against RH starters) for the Cardinals to pursue their stated goal if they indeed actually are committed to achieving it.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

[sikeston bulldog2]

My fear. Winn does hitting so poorly finally affect the mind enough to show up on defense. Then we have damaged goods.

[Cardinals4Life]

There has been no one yet to endorse whether non at lead off. I ask again. How can we be so wrong and one man so right.

Blows my buzz.

Speaking of one man being so right.....

If the Cardinals are serious about 2025 being the season which determines the plan for the years which follow, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is as follows (against RH starters):

1. Scott - CF
2. Winn - SS
3. Donovan - 2B
4. Contreras - 1B
5. Burleson - DH
6. Gorman - 3B
7. Walker - RF
8. Pages / Herrera C (2-way competition)
9. Mootbaar / Koperniak / RH hitter (3-way competition)

You are close, but the correct baseball decision in your scenario would be:

1.) Nootbaar LF
2.) Donovan 2B
3.) Contreras 1B
4.) Arenado 3B
5.) Burleson DH
6.) Herrera C
7.) Walker RF
8 ) Winn SS
9.) Scott II CF

This gives you 2 OBP guys (Noot, Donovan) ahead of your 2 best run producers (Contreras, Arenado). Then you have a lefty (Burly) to round out your middle of the order. You place 2 guys with plus speed (Winn and Scott II) to connect to the top, where they can run in front of 2 patient hitters who are at the top.

Not an ideal lineup, but for what the Cards currently have (and in your scenario), as good as you can get.

If Scott shows he can be productive and get on base for an extended period of time, then perhaps he becomes the leadoff man (hopefully the long-term plan).

This is the correct baseball decision. Keep reading. Keep learning. It is what I do.

Did you note the qualifier I provided?
It stated: "If the Cardinals are serious about 2025 being the season which determines the plan for the years which follow...".
Which is why my lineup eliminated N/A and relegated Mootbaar to a part time platoon competition in the 9 spot.
Neither of those players have any significance for the future.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

They obviously are not.

[Melville]

There has been no one yet to endorse whether non at lead off. I ask again. How can we be so wrong and one man so right.

Blows my buzz.

Speaking of one man being so right.....

If the Cardinals are serious about 2025 being the season which determines the plan for the years which follow, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is as follows (against RH starters):

1. Scott - CF
2. Winn - SS
3. Donovan - 2B
4. Contreras - 1B
5. Burleson - DH
6. Gorman - 3B
7. Walker - RF
8. Pages / Herrera C (2-way competition)
9. Mootbaar / Koperniak / RH hitter (3-way competition)

You are close, but the correct baseball decision in your scenario would be:

1.) Nootbaar LF
2.) Donovan 2B
3.) Contreras 1B
4.) Arenado 3B
5.) Burleson DH
6.) Herrera C
7.) Walker RF
8 ) Winn SS
9.) Scott II CF

This gives you 2 OBP guys (Noot, Donovan) ahead of your 2 best run producers (Contreras, Arenado). Then you have a lefty (Burly) to round out your middle of the order. You place 2 guys with plus speed (Winn and Scott II) to connect to the top, where they can run in front of 2 patient hitters who are at the top.

Not an ideal lineup, but for what the Cards currently have (and in your scenario), as good as you can get.

If Scott shows he can be productive and get on base for an extended period of time, then perhaps he becomes the leadoff man (hopefully the long-term plan).

This is the correct baseball decision. Keep reading. Keep learning. It is what I do.

Did you note the qualifier I provided?
It stated: "If the Cardinals are serious about 2025 being the season which determines the plan for the years which follow...".
Which is why my lineup eliminated N/A and relegated Mootbaar to a part time platoon competition in the 9 spot.
Neither of those players have any significance for the future.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

They obviously are not.

"Leadership's" behavior suggest you are correct.

[sikeston bulldog2]

There has been no one yet to endorse whether non at lead off. I ask again. How can we be so wrong and one man so right.

Blows my buzz.

Speaking of one man being so right.....

If the Cardinals are serious about 2025 being the season which determines the plan for the years which follow, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is as follows (against RH starters):

1. Scott - CF
2. Winn - SS
3. Donovan - 2B
4. Contreras - 1B
5. Burleson - DH
6. Gorman - 3B
7. Walker - RF
8. Pages / Herrera C (2-way competition)
9. Mootbaar / Koperniak / RH hitter (3-way competition)

You are close, but the correct baseball decision in your scenario would be:

1.) Nootbaar LF
2.) Donovan 2B
3.) Contreras 1B
4.) Arenado 3B
5.) Burleson DH
6.) Herrera C
7.) Walker RF
8 ) Winn SS
9.) Scott II CF

This gives you 2 OBP guys (Noot, Donovan) ahead of your 2 best run producers (Contreras, Arenado). Then you have a lefty (Burly) to round out your middle of the order. You place 2 guys with plus speed (Winn and Scott II) to connect to the top, where they can run in front of 2 patient hitters who are at the top.

Not an ideal lineup, but for what the Cards currently have (and in your scenario), as good as you can get.

If Scott shows he can be productive and get on base for an extended period of time, then perhaps he becomes the leadoff man (hopefully the long-term plan).

This is the correct baseball decision. Keep reading. Keep learning. It is what I do.

Did you note the qualifier I provided?
It stated: "If the Cardinals are serious about 2025 being the season which determines the plan for the years which follow...".
Which is why my lineup eliminated N/A and relegated Mootbaar to a part time platoon competition in the 9 spot.
Neither of those players have any significance for the future.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

They obviously are not.

"Leadership's" behavior suggest you are correct.

Leadership. Seems to be a missing piece around here.

Here’s one- now that Lynn Carpenter Gibson Goldie and ??? Are gone, where is this years leadership.