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We have to figure out a way to get a guy named Ike Irish on this team.

craviduce wrote: ↑14 May 2025 08:41 am Joe Doyle with FutureStarSeries presents his first Mock of the season and he chose to Mock the Draft as the most chaotic draft possible on draft day. Things sometimes take a weird turn.

It's an interesting read, and Doyle is a long respected Pundit on Prep and College prospects.

enjoy

https://futurestarsseries.com/mlb-mock- ... -holliday/

Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona HS, California

He'd be difficult to pass on IMO.
Easier to pass on Arnold by a large measure.

TraveledLessRoad wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:29 am We have to figure out a way to get a guy named Ike Irish on this team.

But 11 is taken already.

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:32 am

craviduce wrote: ↑14 May 2025 08:41 am Joe Doyle with FutureStarSeries presents his first Mock of the season and he chose to Mock the Draft as the most chaotic draft possible on draft day. Things sometimes take a weird turn.

It's an interesting read, and Doyle is a long respected Pundit on Prep and College prospects.

enjoy

https://futurestarsseries.com/mlb-mock- ... -holliday/

Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona HS, California

He'd be difficult to pass on IMO.
Easier to pass on Arnold by a large measure.

Seth Hernandez is my pick/want, too. FOTR starter. It's a risk with RHP HS pitchers, but I think he's a Jackson Jobe type....only 3 full seasons in the minors.

craviduce wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:34 am

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:32 am

craviduce wrote: ↑14 May 2025 08:41 am Joe Doyle with FutureStarSeries presents his first Mock of the season and he chose to Mock the Draft as the most chaotic draft possible on draft day. Things sometimes take a weird turn.

It's an interesting read, and Doyle is a long respected Pundit on Prep and College prospects.

enjoy

https://futurestarsseries.com/mlb-mock- ... -holliday/

Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona HS, California

He'd be difficult to pass on IMO.
Easier to pass on Arnold by a large measure.

Seth Hernandez is my pick/want, too. FOTR starter. It's a risk with RHP HS pitchers, but I think he's a Jackson Jobe type....only 3 full seasons in the minors.

the few RHP HS hurlers taken in the Top 10, that have made the Majors, have taken 3 full seasons to 7 full seasons....examples are Jobe and Greene (Reds)

craviduce wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:34 am

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:32 am

craviduce wrote: ↑14 May 2025 08:41 am Joe Doyle with FutureStarSeries presents his first Mock of the season and he chose to Mock the Draft as the most chaotic draft possible on draft day. Things sometimes take a weird turn.

It's an interesting read, and Doyle is a long respected Pundit on Prep and College prospects.

enjoy

https://futurestarsseries.com/mlb-mock- ... -holliday/

Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona HS, California

He'd be difficult to pass on IMO.
Easier to pass on Arnold by a large measure.

Seth Hernandez is my pick/want, too. FOTR starter. It's a risk with RHP HS pitchers, but I think he's a Jackson Jobe type....only 3 full seasons in the minors.

It's against the normal for the Cardinals, then again they aren't in this spot of taking the top
HS pitcher.
Grab it when you're here?

I like him being 3 seasons out. A more methodical controlled development could possibly help
slow him down a touch.

I know with people a lot more substance to their opinions than I are high on Arnold. I have concerns
that a smaller Sale...unfair to Arnold... is as effective as a 6'-6" Sale at the MLB level. That stride along with increased angle
and height is a benefit.

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 12:24 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:34 am

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:32 am

craviduce wrote: ↑14 May 2025 08:41 am Joe Doyle with FutureStarSeries presents his first Mock of the season and he chose to Mock the Draft as the most chaotic draft possible on draft day. Things sometimes take a weird turn.

It's an interesting read, and Doyle is a long respected Pundit on Prep and College prospects.

enjoy

https://futurestarsseries.com/mlb-mock- ... -holliday/

Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona HS, California

He'd be difficult to pass on IMO.
Easier to pass on Arnold by a large measure.

Seth Hernandez is my pick/want, too. FOTR starter. It's a risk with RHP HS pitchers, but I think he's a Jackson Jobe type....only 3 full seasons in the minors.

It's against the normal for the Cardinals, then again they aren't in this spot of taking the top
HS pitcher.
Grab it when you're here?

I like him being 3 seasons out. A more methodical controlled development could possibly help
slow him down a touch.

I know with people a lot more substance to their opinions than I are high on Arnold. I have concerns
that a smaller Sale...unfair to Arnold... is as effective as a 6'-6" Sale at the MLB level. That stride along with increased angle
and height is a benefit.

Jobe is the outlier for the success stories. And their aren't many...so take that with a grain of salt. The risk is real, but with today's R&D in the minors, and with Hernandez being far and away the best pitcher in the draft (including college), I think the risk is real. But I don't draft, and you'll have more Orgs afraid of that risk than not.

I'd say 4-7 years is probably the best you can expect...3 years would be the dream of dreams.

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 12:24 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:34 am

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:32 am

craviduce wrote: ↑14 May 2025 08:41 am Joe Doyle with FutureStarSeries presents his first Mock of the season and he chose to Mock the Draft as the most chaotic draft possible on draft day. Things sometimes take a weird turn.

It's an interesting read, and Doyle is a long respected Pundit on Prep and College prospects.

enjoy

https://futurestarsseries.com/mlb-mock- ... -holliday/

Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona HS, California

He'd be difficult to pass on IMO.
Easier to pass on Arnold by a large measure.

Seth Hernandez is my pick/want, too. FOTR starter. It's a risk with RHP HS pitchers, but I think he's a Jackson Jobe type....only 3 full seasons in the minors.

It's against the normal for the Cardinals, then again they aren't in this spot of taking the top
HS pitcher.
Grab it when you're here?

I like him being 3 seasons out. A more methodical controlled development could possibly help
slow him down a touch.

I know with people a lot more substance to their opinions than I are high on Arnold. I have concerns
that a smaller Sale...unfair to Arnold... is as effective as a 6'-6" Sale at the MLB level. That stride along with increased angle
and height is a benefit.

Jobe is 6 ft 2, 190lbs, fyi

TraveledLessRoad wrote: ↑15 May 2025 13:45 pm

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 12:24 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:34 am

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:32 am

craviduce wrote: ↑14 May 2025 08:41 am Joe Doyle with FutureStarSeries presents his first Mock of the season and he chose to Mock the Draft as the most chaotic draft possible on draft day. Things sometimes take a weird turn.

It's an interesting read, and Doyle is a long respected Pundit on Prep and College prospects.

enjoy

https://futurestarsseries.com/mlb-mock- ... -holliday/

Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona HS, California

He'd be difficult to pass on IMO.
Easier to pass on Arnold by a large measure.

Seth Hernandez is my pick/want, too. FOTR starter. It's a risk with RHP HS pitchers, but I think he's a Jackson Jobe type....only 3 full seasons in the minors.

It's against the normal for the Cardinals, then again they aren't in this spot of taking the top
HS pitcher.
Grab it when you're here?

I like him being 3 seasons out. A more methodical controlled development could possibly help
slow him down a touch.

I know with people a lot more substance to their opinions than I are high on Arnold. I have concerns
that a smaller Sale...unfair to Arnold... is as effective as a 6'-6" Sale at the MLB level. That stride along with increased angle
and height is a benefit.

Jobe is 6 ft 2, 190lbs, fyi

We all have access to their biographies.
I never mentioned Jobe.

Arnold comes out low, as a batter, I see extra time to pick up a ball.
The comp was to Sale who has a similar delivery and is 6'-6"

That's full of bias, I wish nothing but the best for the kid and he's soon to get a significant opportunity.

TraveledLessRoad wrote: ↑15 May 2025 13:45 pm

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 12:24 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:34 am

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:32 am

craviduce wrote: ↑14 May 2025 08:41 am Joe Doyle with FutureStarSeries presents his first Mock of the season and he chose to Mock the Draft as the most chaotic draft possible on draft day. Things sometimes take a weird turn.

It's an interesting read, and Doyle is a long respected Pundit on Prep and College prospects.

enjoy

https://futurestarsseries.com/mlb-mock- ... -holliday/

Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona HS, California

He'd be difficult to pass on IMO.
Easier to pass on Arnold by a large measure.

Seth Hernandez is my pick/want, too. FOTR starter. It's a risk with RHP HS pitchers, but I think he's a Jackson Jobe type....only 3 full seasons in the minors.

It's against the normal for the Cardinals, then again they aren't in this spot of taking the top
HS pitcher.
Grab it when you're here?

I like him being 3 seasons out. A more methodical controlled development could possibly help
slow him down a touch.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =162526423

I know with people a lot more substance to their opinions than I are high on Arnold. I have concerns
that a smaller Sale...unfair to Arnold... is as effective as a 6'-6" Sale at the MLB level. That stride along with increased angle
and height is a benefit.

Jobe is 6 ft 2, 190lbs, fyi

And that's probably generous. Remember the change in stats when the players were measured in Spring Training for the automatic ball strike zone? A lot of players lost inches off their listed height. (Pitchers did not have to go through this process.)
https://www.si.com/mlb/men-lie-about-he ... -challenge

Here's the entire list from Fangraphs. Noot went from 6'3" to 6'1". Burly from 6'2" to 6'. Apparently Walker is still 6'6" as it doesn't list the ones who didn't change.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =162526423

ClassicO wrote: ↑15 May 2025 14:14 pm

TraveledLessRoad wrote: ↑15 May 2025 13:45 pm

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 12:24 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:34 am

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:32 am

craviduce wrote: ↑14 May 2025 08:41 am Joe Doyle with FutureStarSeries presents his first Mock of the season and he chose to Mock the Draft as the most chaotic draft possible on draft day. Things sometimes take a weird turn.

It's an interesting read, and Doyle is a long respected Pundit on Prep and College prospects.

enjoy

https://futurestarsseries.com/mlb-mock- ... -holliday/

Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona HS, California

He'd be difficult to pass on IMO.
Easier to pass on Arnold by a large measure.

Seth Hernandez is my pick/want, too. FOTR starter. It's a risk with RHP HS pitchers, but I think he's a Jackson Jobe type....only 3 full seasons in the minors.

It's against the normal for the Cardinals, then again they aren't in this spot of taking the top
HS pitcher.
Grab it when you're here?

I like him being 3 seasons out. A more methodical controlled development could possibly help
slow him down a touch.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =162526423

I know with people a lot more substance to their opinions than I are high on Arnold. I have concerns
that a smaller Sale...unfair to Arnold... is as effective as a 6'-6" Sale at the MLB level. That stride along with increased angle
and height is a benefit.

Jobe is 6 ft 2, 190lbs, fyi

And that's probably generous. Remember the change in stats when the players were measured in Spring Training for the automatic ball strike zone? A lot of players lost inches off their listed height. (Pitchers did not have to go through this process.)
https://www.si.com/mlb/men-lie-about-he ... -challenge

Here's the entire list from Fangraphs. Noot went from 6'3" to 6'1". Burly from 6'2" to 6'. Apparently Walker is still 6'6" as it doesn't list the ones who didn't change.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =162526423

No need to add size to Mr. Walker or Sale.

How legit is Arnold's 6'-1?

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 14:03 pm

TraveledLessRoad wrote: ↑15 May 2025 13:45 pm

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 12:24 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:34 am

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:32 am

craviduce wrote: ↑14 May 2025 08:41 am Joe Doyle with FutureStarSeries presents his first Mock of the season and he chose to Mock the Draft as the most chaotic draft possible on draft day. Things sometimes take a weird turn.

It's an interesting read, and Doyle is a long respected Pundit on Prep and College prospects.

enjoy

https://futurestarsseries.com/mlb-mock- ... -holliday/

Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona HS, California

He'd be difficult to pass on IMO.
Easier to pass on Arnold by a large measure.

Seth Hernandez is my pick/want, too. FOTR starter. It's a risk with RHP HS pitchers, but I think he's a Jackson Jobe type....only 3 full seasons in the minors.

It's against the normal for the Cardinals, then again they aren't in this spot of taking the top
HS pitcher.
Grab it when you're here?

I like him being 3 seasons out. A more methodical controlled development could possibly help
slow him down a touch.

I know with people a lot more substance to their opinions than I are high on Arnold. I have concerns
that a smaller Sale...unfair to Arnold... is as effective as a 6'-6" Sale at the MLB level. That stride along with increased angle
and height is a benefit.

Jobe is 6 ft 2, 190lbs, fyi

We all have access to their biographies.
I never mentioned Jobe.

Arnold comes out low, as a batter, I see extra time to pick up a ball.
The comp was to Sale who has a similar delivery and is 6'-6"

That's full of bias, I wish nothing but the best for the kid and he's soon to get a significant opportunity.

Take it easy, i was just pointing out that fact because Duce had mentioned him as a fast-riser by prep standards. Also, comping someone who is 6 ft 1 to someone who is 6 ft 6 isn't actually a comp at all.

TraveledLessRoad wrote: ↑15 May 2025 15:25 pm

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 14:03 pm

TraveledLessRoad wrote: ↑15 May 2025 13:45 pm

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 12:24 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:34 am

renostl wrote: ↑15 May 2025 11:32 am

craviduce wrote: ↑14 May 2025 08:41 am Joe Doyle with FutureStarSeries presents his first Mock of the season and he chose to Mock the Draft as the most chaotic draft possible on draft day. Things sometimes take a weird turn.

It's an interesting read, and Doyle is a long respected Pundit on Prep and College prospects.

enjoy

https://futurestarsseries.com/mlb-mock- ... -holliday/

Seth Hernandez, RHP, Corona HS, California

He'd be difficult to pass on IMO.
Easier to pass on Arnold by a large measure.

Seth Hernandez is my pick/want, too. FOTR starter. It's a risk with RHP HS pitchers, but I think he's a Jackson Jobe type....only 3 full seasons in the minors.

It's against the normal for the Cardinals, then again they aren't in this spot of taking the top
HS pitcher.
Grab it when you're here?

I like him being 3 seasons out. A more methodical controlled development could possibly help
slow him down a touch.

I know with people a lot more substance to their opinions than I are high on Arnold. I have concerns
that a smaller Sale...unfair to Arnold... is as effective as a 6'-6" Sale at the MLB level. That stride along with increased angle
and height is a benefit.

Jobe is 6 ft 2, 190lbs, fyi

We all have access to their biographies.
I never mentioned Jobe.

Arnold comes out low, as a batter, I see extra time to pick up a ball.
The comp was to Sale who has a similar delivery and is 6'-6"

That's full of bias, I wish nothing but the best for the kid and he's soon to get a significant opportunity.

Take it easy, i was just pointing out that fact because Duce had mentioned him as a fast-riser by prep standards. Also, comping someone who is 6 ft 1 to someone who is 6 ft 6 isn't actually a comp at all.

Have you watched the 2 players deliveries?

I made the comp because I see a similar delivery with Arnold. You might not.
I see a part, not all, of Sales effectiveness coming from his larger size. You might disagree.

But telling me Jobe is 6'2 when I didn't type his name is a zero add.

Maybe you should comp Sale to Peter Dinklage next.

Prep Baseball's updated Draft Board for May.... Top 100.

This seems like halfway work....I guess these guys earned their name this time. This top 100 ranking is HS heavy....and quite a few of those HS kids are having bad years. I'm not sure who updated this, but it's....to put it kindly....incomplete.

anyways...everyone has their own opinion, so please, forgive mine. PrepBaseball usually posts good stuff.

Draft Boards are good b/c it gives you a chance to see how 1)others think, 2) find out names/players who the Cards may draft later on day 1/early day 2

https://www.prepbaseballreport.com/news ... may-update

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-pipeline-2 ... aft-may-15

Mayo's latest Mock Draft from mlb.com

LHP Kade Anderson, LSU

Anderson has a really good arsenal of pitches. Could be interesting to see how he does with a good pitching mentor in the Cards system.