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Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.
Posted: 04 Jul 2025 07:03 am
by CCard
Cranny wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 16:44 pm
CCard wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 15:01 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 09:15 am
CCard wrote: ↑02 Jul 2025 11:43 am
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 13:59 pm
CCard wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 08:35 amThere's always a young up and comer who thinks they invented the wheel and it always ends the same.
Whatever happened to moneyball and Billy Beane? Young guys don't have the experience to run anything without expert knowledge from veterans that have done it. To put it bluntly, he doesn't know what he doesn't know. Regardless, it's all about ownership anyway. He or Mo or the next guy up is chained to what DeWitt and company want. In the immortal words of Leon (from the Bud commercials) "Leon can't cook without that dough, baby." ((bleep) eating grin)
I’m sure you know what you do not know, as the influence of moneyball is currently present throughout the major leagues.
Nobody has experience competing in the era of $700 million contracts - that might suggest you want someone that is not bound by conventional thinking.
I get it… you want an old, cigar smoking, scotch slugging “baseball man” that speaks in definitives… for no logical reason.
The whole point of the phrase "You don't know what you don't know." speaks for itself. No one knows what they don't know. That's the point. Anointing someone a genius new guy who can't possibly have been faced with all the situations and still speaks like an authority is folly.
Secondly, Nobody and I mean nobody said the Cards should go out and pay $700 million for a player. And only 1 or 2 teams could even do it. But they certainly fit the profile of a team that is sitting on plenty of resources but would rather cheap out instead of putting a good faith effort on the field for the "Best fans in baseball". LOL
Lastly, I don't care what a GM does, smoke, drink, fornicate, masturbate, imitate, hibernate etc. Until ownership gives the okay it wouldn't really matter. Say it with me, O-W-N-E-R-S-H-I-P! A GM can't walk on water unless ownership gives him the water to walk on.
Spoken like a true youngster.
LOL...I'm 63 and have been watching baseball since I was 15. At least I know what I don't know. I learned more from listening to Jack Buck than you'll probably ever know about baseball. Follow your "Young genius" if you want, just ignore facts. It seems facts don't matter anymore anyway.
I believe my tenure in following the Cardinals predates you by about 20 years. That includes the time listening to Jack Buck.
My condolences. LOL
Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.
Posted: 04 Jul 2025 07:51 am
by Cranny
CCard wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 07:03 am
Cranny wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 16:44 pm
CCard wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 15:01 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 09:15 am
CCard wrote: ↑02 Jul 2025 11:43 am
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 13:59 pm
CCard wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 08:35 amThere's always a young up and comer who thinks they invented the wheel and it always ends the same.
Whatever happened to moneyball and Billy Beane? Young guys don't have the experience to run anything without expert knowledge from veterans that have done it. To put it bluntly, he doesn't know what he doesn't know. Regardless, it's all about ownership anyway. He or Mo or the next guy up is chained to what DeWitt and company want. In the immortal words of Leon (from the Bud commercials) "Leon can't cook without that dough, baby." ((bleep) eating grin)
I’m sure you know what you do not know, as the influence of moneyball is currently present throughout the major leagues.
Nobody has experience competing in the era of $700 million contracts - that might suggest you want someone that is not bound by conventional thinking.
I get it… you want an old, cigar smoking, scotch slugging “baseball man” that speaks in definitives… for no logical reason.
The whole point of the phrase "You don't know what you don't know." speaks for itself. No one knows what they don't know. That's the point. Anointing someone a genius new guy who can't possibly have been faced with all the situations and still speaks like an authority is folly.
Secondly, Nobody and I mean nobody said the Cards should go out and pay $700 million for a player. And only 1 or 2 teams could even do it. But they certainly fit the profile of a team that is sitting on plenty of resources but would rather cheap out instead of putting a good faith effort on the field for the "Best fans in baseball". LOL
Lastly, I don't care what a GM does, smoke, drink, fornicate, masturbate, imitate, hibernate etc. Until ownership gives the okay it wouldn't really matter. Say it with me, O-W-N-E-R-S-H-I-P! A GM can't walk on water unless ownership gives him the water to walk on.
Spoken like a true youngster.
LOL...I'm 63 and have been watching baseball since I was 15. At least I know what I don't know. I learned more from listening to Jack Buck than you'll probably ever know about baseball. Follow your "Young genius" if you want, just ignore facts. It seems facts don't matter anymore anyway.
I believe my tenure in following the Cardinals predates you by about 20 years. That includes the time listening to Jack Buck.
My condolences. LOL
It’s a terrific experience. An extra 20 years of Cardinal enjoyment.
Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.
Posted: 04 Jul 2025 10:44 am
by MIDMOBIRDTWO
Kyle Tucker? Cards not going to pay a short term guy who is going to get a big fat contract very soon. Last guy that comes close to that was Heyward, and they dodged a bullet when he chose the Cubs. They are very leery of who they do business with.
Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.
Posted: 05 Jul 2025 05:32 am
by illiniriles
The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker?
GMAFB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.
Posted: 05 Jul 2025 08:00 am
by sikeston bulldog2
You guys do realize to compete it’s gonna take a Kyle Tucker plus. We don’t go after these types, we are a flightless bird.
Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.
Posted: 05 Jul 2025 08:27 am
by Cranny
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:00 am
You guys do realize to compete it’s gonna take a Kyle Tucker plus. We don’t go after these types, we are a flightless bird.
You go after them in a way that has always been your M.O. - via trade. Ala Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, Arenado, Roby, Saggese, etc.
Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.
Posted: 05 Jul 2025 08:30 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Cranny wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:27 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:00 am
You guys do realize to compete it’s gonna take a Kyle Tucker plus. We don’t go after these types, we are a flightless bird.
You go after them in a way that has always been your M.O. - via trade. Ala Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, Arenado, Roby, Saggese, etc.
Problem. You must have the resources to complete the trade, we have Walker and Gorman to offer. Second other teams compete for that trade and have more to offer. We lose.
FA- only got to be the top dog. Much easier.
Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.
Posted: 05 Jul 2025 08:54 am
by WLTFE
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:00 am
You guys do realize to compete it’s gonna take a Kyle Tucker plus. We don’t go after these types, we are a flightless bird.
The never ending thread!...Even with Mo-ran gone, DeTwit will never spend the money and I doubt the current situation is very attractive to a high quality free agent...and the fans are letting everyone know that they are (upset)..
Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.
Posted: 05 Jul 2025 08:57 am
by sikeston bulldog2
WLTFE wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:54 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:00 am
You guys do realize to compete it’s gonna take a Kyle Tucker plus. We don’t go after these types, we are a flightless bird.
The never ending thread!...Even with Mo-ran gone, DeTwit will never spend the money and I doubt the current situation is very attractive to a high quality free agent...and the fans are letting everyone know that they are (upset)..
The current situation may work for a stud. We are not bottom feeders. And with the right, lucky, addition, could push us to the brink.
We gotta do something as the now isn’t good enough. Your thoughts.
Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.
Posted: 05 Jul 2025 09:03 am
by WLTFE
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:57 am
WLTFE wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:54 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:00 am
You guys do realize to compete it’s gonna take a Kyle Tucker plus. We don’t go after these types, we are a flightless bird.
The never ending thread!...Even with Mo-ran gone, DeTwit will never spend the money and I doubt the current situation is very attractive to a high quality free agent...and the fans are letting everyone know that they are (upset)..
The current situation may work for a stud. We are not bottom feeders. And with the right, lucky, addition, could push us to the brink.
We gotta do something as the now isn’t good enough. Your thoughts.
Studs go to stud teams...just my opinion as a fan....I don't have any inside information.
Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.
Posted: 05 Jul 2025 09:08 am
by sikeston bulldog2
WLTFE wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 09:03 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:57 am
WLTFE wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:54 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 08:00 am
You guys do realize to compete it’s gonna take a Kyle Tucker plus. We don’t go after these types, we are a flightless bird.
The never ending thread!...Even with Mo-ran gone, DeTwit will never spend the money and I doubt the current situation is very attractive to a high quality free agent...and the fans are letting everyone know that they are (upset)..
The current situation may work for a stud. We are not bottom feeders. And with the right, lucky, addition, could push us to the brink.
We gotta do something as the now isn’t good enough. Your thoughts.
Studs go to stud teams...just my opinion as a fan....I don't have any inside information.
I think you’re right. Or a big city, of which only NYC and LA seem to be the destination.
Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.
Posted: 05 Jul 2025 09:21 am
by desertrat23
Cranny wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 07:51 am
CCard wrote: ↑04 Jul 2025 07:03 am
Cranny wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 16:44 pm
CCard wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 15:01 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑03 Jul 2025 09:15 am
CCard wrote: ↑02 Jul 2025 11:43 am
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 13:59 pm
CCard wrote: ↑01 Jul 2025 08:35 amThere's always a young up and comer who thinks they invented the wheel and it always ends the same.
Whatever happened to moneyball and Billy Beane? Young guys don't have the experience to run anything without expert knowledge from veterans that have done it. To put it bluntly, he doesn't know what he doesn't know. Regardless, it's all about ownership anyway. He or Mo or the next guy up is chained to what DeWitt and company want. In the immortal words of Leon (from the Bud commercials) "Leon can't cook without that dough, baby." ((bleep) eating grin)
I’m sure you know what you do not know, as the influence of moneyball is currently present throughout the major leagues.
Nobody has experience competing in the era of $700 million contracts - that might suggest you want someone that is not bound by conventional thinking.
I get it… you want an old, cigar smoking, scotch slugging “baseball man” that speaks in definitives… for no logical reason.
The whole point of the phrase "You don't know what you don't know." speaks for itself. No one knows what they don't know. That's the point. Anointing someone a genius new guy who can't possibly have been faced with all the situations and still speaks like an authority is folly.
Secondly, Nobody and I mean nobody said the Cards should go out and pay $700 million for a player. And only 1 or 2 teams could even do it. But they certainly fit the profile of a team that is sitting on plenty of resources but would rather cheap out instead of putting a good faith effort on the field for the "Best fans in baseball". LOL
Lastly, I don't care what a GM does, smoke, drink, fornicate, masturbate, imitate, hibernate etc. Until ownership gives the okay it wouldn't really matter. Say it with me, O-W-N-E-R-S-H-I-P! A GM can't walk on water unless ownership gives him the water to walk on.
Spoken like a true youngster.
LOL...I'm 63 and have been watching baseball since I was 15. At least I know what I don't know. I learned more from listening to Jack Buck than you'll probably ever know about baseball. Follow your "Young genius" if you want, just ignore facts. It seems facts don't matter anymore anyway.
I believe my tenure in following the Cardinals predates you by about 20 years. That includes the time listening to Jack Buck.
My condolences. LOL
It’s a terrific experience. An extra 20 years of Cardinal enjoyment.
Ah, yes…the “I’m older than you so I know more about baseball than you do; here’s the name of a dead person I remember.” A CT tradition unlike any other.
Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.
Posted: 07 Aug 2025 20:26 pm
by sikeston bulldog2
I see more talk of Tucker. He’s the kind you add. At costs.
Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.
Posted: 07 Aug 2025 21:08 pm
by renostl
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑07 Aug 2025 20:26 pm
I see more talk of Tucker. He’s the kind you add. At costs.
Correct.
The rest of the roster can battle for the
other open spots or used to
acquire what is needed. How does that diminish a team
trying to win.
Still takes both sides to agree and both sides
need to want to agree.
Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.
Posted: 07 Aug 2025 21:18 pm
by Cardinals4Life
renostl wrote: ↑07 Aug 2025 21:08 pm
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑07 Aug 2025 20:26 pm
I see more talk of Tucker. He’s the kind you add. At costs.
Correct.
The rest of the roster can battle for the
other open spots or used to
acquire what is needed. How does that diminish a team
trying to win.
Still takes both sides to agree and both sides
need to want to agree.
He is a BIG part of what this team is lacking and needs. No doubt.
Cards could easily fix this mess before Christmas.....if they really wanted to!
Re: The Cardinals with Kyle Tucker.
Posted: 07 Aug 2025 21:41 pm
by renostl
Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑07 Aug 2025 21:18 pm
renostl wrote: ↑07 Aug 2025 21:08 pm
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑07 Aug 2025 20:26 pm
I see more talk of Tucker. He’s the kind you add. At costs.
Correct.
The rest of the roster can battle for the
other open spots or used to
acquire what is needed. How does that diminish a team
trying to win.
Still takes both sides to agree and both sides
need to want to agree.
He is a BIG part of what this team is lacking and needs. No doubt.
Cards could easily fix this mess before Christmas.....if they really wanted to!
If I know you know that
Tucker has his own free will in this.
But a Tucker like player is needed.