LF and 3B seem to be the question marks

[Talkin' Baseball]

All it takes is for Herrera to fail at catcher but still have an unbelievable bat for Burleson to be pushed back to the OF or traded.

Bold prediction: I don't think AB is a Cardinal in 2027.

Burleson has a better chance to be extended by then.

Why?

Like I posted, "Maybe a three or four year deal taking him through his prime seasons". Hitters like Burleson "don't grow on trees". Especially, those that come through the Cardinals organization lately. Plus, I believe Burleson will surface as a team leader.

You could argue that Herrera grows on a better tree. And may need a position.

When debating roster spots, try and leave emotion out of it. That's usually a road to nowhere.

Emotions aside. Speaking of roster positioning. The Cardinals' brass seem to like Burleson even more than I do as a player for the organization. Trading away Contreras to open up 1B for Burleson just might confirm that. Contreras was coming off a pretty good season, he wasn't real old or real expensive. He was good, defensively, at 1B. And the Cardinals could still have used Contreras' power production. Yes, the Cardinals' organization really seem to like Alec Burleson.

With all due respect.....and I like Burleson.....but nobody likes him more than you do!

And he had NEVER been good defensively at 1B...NEVER. The STATS don't lie. He's just below average, which isn't good.

I can live with Burleson at 1B.

I can live with anyone at 1B this year and next. After that, if we're serious about being a good/real team....then I can't live with it.

To be fair, he's only played 89 games at 1B in his professional career. It may be early to determine his potential to play the position.

to be fair...he's been below average his entire baseball career (collegiate/pro/sandlot) in LF/RF, 1B...and off the mound.

It is what it is...we can paint excuses all day.

I will not deny he can put the ball in play very well, and probably our 3rd or 4th best offensive player at the moment. Right now, he's the only option outside of Gorman for 1B...so again, I'm okay with whomever they put at 1B the next 2 years. After that...reassess for better options.

And NO...I don't want short 1B at 1B. So if they're under 6'0"...we can't just stick them there

Good to hear from you Crav. I've missed your posts.

[craviduce]

Burleson has a better chance to be extended by then.

Why?

Like I posted, "Maybe a three or four year deal taking him through his prime seasons". Hitters like Burleson "don't grow on trees". Especially, those that come through the Cardinals organization lately. Plus, I believe Burleson will surface as a team leader.

You could argue that Herrera grows on a better tree. And may need a position.

When debating roster spots, try and leave emotion out of it. That's usually a road to nowhere.

Emotions aside. Speaking of roster positioning. The Cardinals' brass seem to like Burleson even more than I do as a player for the organization. Trading away Contreras to open up 1B for Burleson just might confirm that. Contreras was coming off a pretty good season, he wasn't real old or real expensive. He was good, defensively, at 1B. And the Cardinals could still have used Contreras' power production. Yes, the Cardinals' organization really seem to like Alec Burleson.

With all due respect.....and I like Burleson.....but nobody likes him more than you do!

And he had NEVER been good defensively at 1B...NEVER. The STATS don't lie. He's just below average, which isn't good.

I can live with Burleson at 1B.

I can live with anyone at 1B this year and next. After that, if we're serious about being a good/real team....then I can't live with it.

To be fair, he's only played 89 games at 1B in his professional career. It may be early to determine his potential to play the position.

to be fair...he's been below average his entire baseball career (collegiate/pro/sandlot) in LF/RF, 1B...and off the mound.

It is what it is...we can paint excuses all day.

I will not deny he can put the ball in play very well, and probably our 3rd or 4th best offensive player at the moment. Right now, he's the only option outside of Gorman for 1B...so again, I'm okay with whomever they put at 1B the next 2 years. After that...reassess for better options.

And NO...I don't want short 1B at 1B. So if they're under 6'0"...we can't just stick them there

duce, how Burleson fared in the outfield is irrelevant to his ability to carve out a niche at 1B. You know that. He simply hasn't played the position enough for us to know what his potential is....not yet. I can live with look for better down the road, but, his bat has progressively improved in both average and power. If his fielding does as well, somebody has to take the position away from him. And, he is 6' tall.

Bad defenders are usually bad defenders at other places...it's contagious.

As for the under 6'0" thing...I was talking about our plethora of catchers...don't stick Herrera (5'11"), nor Rodriguez (a very short 5'10", probably 5'8" if honesty enters the conversation, at 1B...too short. Yes, Garvey was short...but that's like 1 or 2 exceptions out there. Not the norm.

Again, HCF...don't mistake here...I don't care who mans 1B the next two seasons. But come 2028, if Burleson is still with the team, he should be DH.

[Shady]

We don't have a long-term plan at any of the four corners. (And yes, that includes Burleson)

You are "out to lunch" regarding Burleson. He will be entrenched at 1B for the Cardinals for a long time.

All it takes is for Herrera to fail at catcher but still have an unbelievable bat for Burleson to be pushed back to the OF or traded.

Bold prediction: I don't think AB is a Cardinal in 2027.

Burleson has a better chance to be extended by then.

Why?

Like I posted, "Maybe a three or four year deal taking him through his prime seasons". Hitters like Burleson "don't grow on trees". Especially, those that come through the Cardinals organization lately. Plus, I believe Burleson will surface as a team leader.

You could argue that Herrera grows on a better tree. And may need a position.

When debating roster spots, try and leave emotion out of it. That's usually a road to nowhere.

Emotions aside. Speaking of roster positioning. The Cardinals' brass seem to like Burleson even more than I do as a player for the organization. Trading away Contreras to open up 1B for Burleson just might confirm that. Contreras was coming off a pretty good season, he wasn't real old or real expensive. He was good, defensively, at 1B. And the Cardinals could still have used Contreras' power production. Yes, the Cardinals' organization really seem to like Alec Burleson.

With all due respect.....and I like Burleson.....but nobody likes him more than you do!

I like Burleson about as much as craviduce dislikes him. Let's see, by actual production, who is more accurate. Last season, it was +1 for Shady. And Burleson is only 27. craviduce feels Burleson has peaked. I say that's ridiculous at 27.

[craviduce]

We don't have a long-term plan at any of the four corners. (And yes, that includes Burleson)

You are "out to lunch" regarding Burleson. He will be entrenched at 1B for the Cardinals for a long time.

All it takes is for Herrera to fail at catcher but still have an unbelievable bat for Burleson to be pushed back to the OF or traded.

Bold prediction: I don't think AB is a Cardinal in 2027.

Burleson has a better chance to be extended by then.

Why?

Like I posted, "Maybe a three or four year deal taking him through his prime seasons". Hitters like Burleson "don't grow on trees". Especially, those that come through the Cardinals organization lately. Plus, I believe Burleson will surface as a team leader.

You could argue that Herrera grows on a better tree. And may need a position.

When debating roster spots, try and leave emotion out of it. That's usually a road to nowhere.

Emotions aside. Speaking of roster positioning. The Cardinals' brass seem to like Burleson even more than I do as a player for the organization. Trading away Contreras to open up 1B for Burleson just might confirm that. Contreras was coming off a pretty good season, he wasn't real old or real expensive. He was good, defensively, at 1B. And the Cardinals could still have used Contreras' power production. Yes, the Cardinals' organization really seem to like Alec Burleson.

With all due respect.....and I like Burleson.....but nobody likes him more than you do!

I like Burleson about as much as craviduce dislikes him. Let's see, by actual production, who is more accurate.

According to stats/production....he's an okay bat, right above average. It's why I'm okay with him for the next 2 years.

According to stats/production...he's a liability in the field...all positions and fields....great and small.

And I don't dislike him. You need me to, but I don't.

[Shady]

We don't have a long-term plan at any of the four corners. (And yes, that includes Burleson)

You are "out to lunch" regarding Burleson. He will be entrenched at 1B for the Cardinals for a long time.

All it takes is for Herrera to fail at catcher but still have an unbelievable bat for Burleson to be pushed back to the OF or traded.

Bold prediction: I don't think AB is a Cardinal in 2027.

Burleson has a better chance to be extended by then.

Why?

Like I posted, "Maybe a three or four year deal taking him through his prime seasons". Hitters like Burleson "don't grow on trees". Especially, those that come through the Cardinals organization lately. Plus, I believe Burleson will surface as a team leader.

You could argue that Herrera grows on a better tree. And may need a position.

When debating roster spots, try and leave emotion out of it. That's usually a road to nowhere.

Emotions aside. Speaking of roster positioning. The Cardinals' brass seem to like Burleson even more than I do as a player for the organization. Trading away Contreras to open up 1B for Burleson just might confirm that. Contreras was coming off a pretty good season, he wasn't real old or real expensive. He was good, defensively, at 1B. And the Cardinals could still have used Contreras' power production. Yes, the Cardinals' organization really seem to like Alec Burleson.

With all due respect.....and I like Burleson.....but nobody likes him more than you do!

I like Burleson about as much as craviduce dislikes him. Let's see, by actual production, who is more accurate.

According to stats/production....he's an okay bat, right above average. It's why I'm okay with him for the next 2 years.

According to stats/production...he's a liability in the field...all positions and fields....great and small.

And I don't dislike him. You need me to, but I don't.

"he's an okay bat, right above average." That is asinine. You have underestimated and slighted Burleson for years. And he continues to produce and improve. Let's see how things play out this season. One way or the other you will continue to "bob and weave" on Burleson.

[hugeCardfan]

Why?

Like I posted, "Maybe a three or four year deal taking him through his prime seasons". Hitters like Burleson "don't grow on trees". Especially, those that come through the Cardinals organization lately. Plus, I believe Burleson will surface as a team leader.

You could argue that Herrera grows on a better tree. And may need a position.

When debating roster spots, try and leave emotion out of it. That's usually a road to nowhere.

Emotions aside. Speaking of roster positioning. The Cardinals' brass seem to like Burleson even more than I do as a player for the organization. Trading away Contreras to open up 1B for Burleson just might confirm that. Contreras was coming off a pretty good season, he wasn't real old or real expensive. He was good, defensively, at 1B. And the Cardinals could still have used Contreras' power production. Yes, the Cardinals' organization really seem to like Alec Burleson.

With all due respect.....and I like Burleson.....but nobody likes him more than you do!

And he had NEVER been good defensively at 1B...NEVER. The STATS don't lie. He's just below average, which isn't good.

I can live with Burleson at 1B.

I can live with anyone at 1B this year and next. After that, if we're serious about being a good/real team....then I can't live with it.

To be fair, he's only played 89 games at 1B in his professional career. It may be early to determine his potential to play the position.

to be fair...he's been below average his entire baseball career (collegiate/pro/sandlot) in LF/RF, 1B...and off the mound.

It is what it is...we can paint excuses all day.

I will not deny he can put the ball in play very well, and probably our 3rd or 4th best offensive player at the moment. Right now, he's the only option outside of Gorman for 1B...so again, I'm okay with whomever they put at 1B the next 2 years. After that...reassess for better options.

And NO...I don't want short 1B at 1B. So if they're under 6'0"...we can't just stick them there

duce, how Burleson fared in the outfield is irrelevant to his ability to carve out a niche at 1B. You know that. He simply hasn't played the position enough for us to know what his potential is....not yet. I can live with look for better down the road, but, his bat has progressively improved in both average and power. If his fielding does as well, somebody has to take the position away from him. And, he is 6' tall.

Bad defenders are usually bad defenders at other places...it's contagious.

As for the under 6'0" thing...I was talking about our plethora of catchers...don't stick Herrera (5'11"), nor Rodriguez (a very short 5'10", probably 5'8" if honesty enters the conversation, at 1B...too short. Yes, Garvey was short...but that's like 1 or 2 exceptions out there. Not the norm.

Again, HCF...don't mistake here...I don't care who mans 1B the next two seasons. But come 2028, if Burleson is still with the team, he should be DH.

Agreed. Under 6' at 1B doesn't really work for me.... unless you have to have the bat and there is no other option. I don't buy trading Burleson so we can make room for Herrera at 1B. We can figure out how to use both bats.

I'm agreeing to disagree on Burleson's ability to defend well at 1B. He should work diligently to make the defense work. It's been done before.

[craviduce]

We don't have a long-term plan at any of the four corners. (And yes, that includes Burleson)

You are "out to lunch" regarding Burleson. He will be entrenched at 1B for the Cardinals for a long time.

All it takes is for Herrera to fail at catcher but still have an unbelievable bat for Burleson to be pushed back to the OF or traded.

Bold prediction: I don't think AB is a Cardinal in 2027.

Burleson has a better chance to be extended by then.

Why?

Like I posted, "Maybe a three or four year deal taking him through his prime seasons". Hitters like Burleson "don't grow on trees". Especially, those that come through the Cardinals organization lately. Plus, I believe Burleson will surface as a team leader.

You could argue that Herrera grows on a better tree. And may need a position.

When debating roster spots, try and leave emotion out of it. That's usually a road to nowhere.

Emotions aside. Speaking of roster positioning. The Cardinals' brass seem to like Burleson even more than I do as a player for the organization. Trading away Contreras to open up 1B for Burleson just might confirm that. Contreras was coming off a pretty good season, he wasn't real old or real expensive. He was good, defensively, at 1B. And the Cardinals could still have used Contreras' power production. Yes, the Cardinals' organization really seem to like Alec Burleson.

With all due respect.....and I like Burleson.....but nobody likes him more than you do!

I like Burleson about as much as craviduce dislikes him. Let's see, by actual production, who is more accurate.

According to stats/production....he's an okay bat, right above average. It's why I'm okay with him for the next 2 years.

According to stats/production...he's a liability in the field...all positions and fields....great and small.

And I don't dislike him. You need me to, but I don't.

"he's an okay bat, right above average." That is asinine. You have underestimated and slighted Burleson for years. And he continues to produce and improve. Let's see how things play out this season. One way or the other you will continue to "bob and weave" on Burleson.

2.0 WAR is right above average. Again...I don't understand your problem, nor your angst on my position.

And again...I'm okay with whomever they put at 1B the next 2 years.

[Shady]

All it takes is for Herrera to fail at catcher but still have an unbelievable bat for Burleson to be pushed back to the OF or traded.

Bold prediction: I don't think AB is a Cardinal in 2027.

Burleson has a better chance to be extended by then.

Why?

Like I posted, "Maybe a three or four year deal taking him through his prime seasons". Hitters like Burleson "don't grow on trees". Especially, those that come through the Cardinals organization lately. Plus, I believe Burleson will surface as a team leader.

You could argue that Herrera grows on a better tree. And may need a position.

When debating roster spots, try and leave emotion out of it. That's usually a road to nowhere.

Emotions aside. Speaking of roster positioning. The Cardinals' brass seem to like Burleson even more than I do as a player for the organization. Trading away Contreras to open up 1B for Burleson just might confirm that. Contreras was coming off a pretty good season, he wasn't real old or real expensive. He was good, defensively, at 1B. And the Cardinals could still have used Contreras' power production. Yes, the Cardinals' organization really seem to like Alec Burleson.

With all due respect.....and I like Burleson.....but nobody likes him more than you do!

And he had NEVER been good defensively at 1B...NEVER. The STATS don't lie. He's just below average, which isn't good.

I can live with Burleson at 1B.

I can live with anyone at 1B this year and next. After that, if we're serious about being a good/real team....then I can't live with it.

To be fair, he's only played 89 games at 1B in his professional career. It may be early to determine his potential to play the position.

to be fair...he's been below average his entire baseball career (collegiate/pro/sandlot) in LF/RF, 1B...and off the mound.

It is what it is...we can paint excuses all day.

I will not deny he can put the ball in play very well, and probably our 3rd or 4th best offensive player at the moment. Right now, he's the only option outside of Gorman for 1B...so again, I'm okay with whomever they put at 1B the next 2 years. After that...reassess for better options.

And NO...I don't want short 1B at 1B. So if they're under 6'0"...we can't just stick them there

"and probably our 3rd or 4th best offensive player at the moment". Please list three players on the Cardinals' team that you consider better offensive players than Burleson. Frankly, I can't see any of them that are clearly better than Burleson.

[craviduce]

Burleson has a better chance to be extended by then.

Why?

Like I posted, "Maybe a three or four year deal taking him through his prime seasons". Hitters like Burleson "don't grow on trees". Especially, those that come through the Cardinals organization lately. Plus, I believe Burleson will surface as a team leader.

You could argue that Herrera grows on a better tree. And may need a position.

When debating roster spots, try and leave emotion out of it. That's usually a road to nowhere.

Emotions aside. Speaking of roster positioning. The Cardinals' brass seem to like Burleson even more than I do as a player for the organization. Trading away Contreras to open up 1B for Burleson just might confirm that. Contreras was coming off a pretty good season, he wasn't real old or real expensive. He was good, defensively, at 1B. And the Cardinals could still have used Contreras' power production. Yes, the Cardinals' organization really seem to like Alec Burleson.

With all due respect.....and I like Burleson.....but nobody likes him more than you do!

And he had NEVER been good defensively at 1B...NEVER. The STATS don't lie. He's just below average, which isn't good.

I can live with Burleson at 1B.

I can live with anyone at 1B this year and next. After that, if we're serious about being a good/real team....then I can't live with it.

To be fair, he's only played 89 games at 1B in his professional career. It may be early to determine his potential to play the position.

to be fair...he's been below average his entire baseball career (collegiate/pro/sandlot) in LF/RF, 1B...and off the mound.

It is what it is...we can paint excuses all day.

I will not deny he can put the ball in play very well, and probably our 3rd or 4th best offensive player at the moment. Right now, he's the only option outside of Gorman for 1B...so again, I'm okay with whomever they put at 1B the next 2 years. After that...reassess for better options.

And NO...I don't want short 1B at 1B. So if they're under 6'0"...we can't just stick them there

"and probably our 3rd or 4th best offensive player at the moment". Please list three players on the Cardinals' team that you consider better offensive players than Burleson. Frankly, I can't see any of them that are clearly better than Burleson.

"3rd or 4th best"...so I only need to list 2:

Ivan and JJ...that's easy and obvious.

[Shady]

Why?

Like I posted, "Maybe a three or four year deal taking him through his prime seasons". Hitters like Burleson "don't grow on trees". Especially, those that come through the Cardinals organization lately. Plus, I believe Burleson will surface as a team leader.

You could argue that Herrera grows on a better tree. And may need a position.

When debating roster spots, try and leave emotion out of it. That's usually a road to nowhere.

Emotions aside. Speaking of roster positioning. The Cardinals' brass seem to like Burleson even more than I do as a player for the organization. Trading away Contreras to open up 1B for Burleson just might confirm that. Contreras was coming off a pretty good season, he wasn't real old or real expensive. He was good, defensively, at 1B. And the Cardinals could still have used Contreras' power production. Yes, the Cardinals' organization really seem to like Alec Burleson.

With all due respect.....and I like Burleson.....but nobody likes him more than you do!

And he had NEVER been good defensively at 1B...NEVER. The STATS don't lie. He's just below average, which isn't good.

I can live with Burleson at 1B.

I can live with anyone at 1B this year and next. After that, if we're serious about being a good/real team....then I can't live with it.

To be fair, he's only played 89 games at 1B in his professional career. It may be early to determine his potential to play the position.

to be fair...he's been below average his entire baseball career (collegiate/pro/sandlot) in LF/RF, 1B...and off the mound.

It is what it is...we can paint excuses all day.

I will not deny he can put the ball in play very well, and probably our 3rd or 4th best offensive player at the moment. Right now, he's the only option outside of Gorman for 1B...so again, I'm okay with whomever they put at 1B the next 2 years. After that...reassess for better options.

And NO...I don't want short 1B at 1B. So if they're under 6'0"...we can't just stick them there

"and probably our 3rd or 4th best offensive player at the moment". Please list three players on the Cardinals' team that you consider better offensive players than Burleson. Frankly, I can't see any of them that are clearly better than Burleson.

"3rd or 4th best"...so I only need to list 2:

Ivan and JJ...that's easy and obvious.

It's not as easy and obvious as you think. And if other posters are being honest, it probably isn't easy and obvious to them either. So it's not three Cardinals' players that you feel are better offensive players than Burleson like you alluded to the possibility. Is that correct? Just trying to cut through your krap.

[craviduce]

Like I posted, "Maybe a three or four year deal taking him through his prime seasons". Hitters like Burleson "don't grow on trees". Especially, those that come through the Cardinals organization lately. Plus, I believe Burleson will surface as a team leader.

You could argue that Herrera grows on a better tree. And may need a position.

When debating roster spots, try and leave emotion out of it. That's usually a road to nowhere.

Emotions aside. Speaking of roster positioning. The Cardinals' brass seem to like Burleson even more than I do as a player for the organization. Trading away Contreras to open up 1B for Burleson just might confirm that. Contreras was coming off a pretty good season, he wasn't real old or real expensive. He was good, defensively, at 1B. And the Cardinals could still have used Contreras' power production. Yes, the Cardinals' organization really seem to like Alec Burleson.

With all due respect.....and I like Burleson.....but nobody likes him more than you do!

And he had NEVER been good defensively at 1B...NEVER. The STATS don't lie. He's just below average, which isn't good.

I can live with Burleson at 1B.

I can live with anyone at 1B this year and next. After that, if we're serious about being a good/real team....then I can't live with it.

To be fair, he's only played 89 games at 1B in his professional career. It may be early to determine his potential to play the position.

to be fair...he's been below average his entire baseball career (collegiate/pro/sandlot) in LF/RF, 1B...and off the mound.

It is what it is...we can paint excuses all day.

I will not deny he can put the ball in play very well, and probably our 3rd or 4th best offensive player at the moment. Right now, he's the only option outside of Gorman for 1B...so again, I'm okay with whomever they put at 1B the next 2 years. After that...reassess for better options.

And NO...I don't want short 1B at 1B. So if they're under 6'0"...we can't just stick them there

"and probably our 3rd or 4th best offensive player at the moment". Please list three players on the Cardinals' team that you consider better offensive players than Burleson. Frankly, I can't see any of them that are clearly better than Burleson.

"3rd or 4th best"...so I only need to list 2:

Ivan and JJ...that's easy and obvious.

It's not as easy and obvious as you think. And if other posters are being honest, it probably isn't easy and obvious to them either. So it's not three Cardinals' players that you feel are better offensive players than Burleson like you alluded to the possibility. Is that correct? Just trying to cut through your krap.

JJ and Ivan are better. You think Saggese has won the LF job, solely based off being a Texas League MVP in 2023. If that's true, then Crooks will also be better than Burleson, and Torres who was robbed by Crooks for 2024 Texas League MVP will be better than Burleson. Maybe we should give Moises Gomez another try he was Texas League MVP in 2022...by your standards that means greatness. Winn hasn't even touched his Prime, and he's due for an uptick in offense...so he may be better than Burleson.

[Shady]

You could argue that Herrera grows on a better tree. And may need a position.

When debating roster spots, try and leave emotion out of it. That's usually a road to nowhere.

Emotions aside. Speaking of roster positioning. The Cardinals' brass seem to like Burleson even more than I do as a player for the organization. Trading away Contreras to open up 1B for Burleson just might confirm that. Contreras was coming off a pretty good season, he wasn't real old or real expensive. He was good, defensively, at 1B. And the Cardinals could still have used Contreras' power production. Yes, the Cardinals' organization really seem to like Alec Burleson.

With all due respect.....and I like Burleson.....but nobody likes him more than you do!

And he had NEVER been good defensively at 1B...NEVER. The STATS don't lie. He's just below average, which isn't good.

I can live with Burleson at 1B.

I can live with anyone at 1B this year and next. After that, if we're serious about being a good/real team....then I can't live with it.

To be fair, he's only played 89 games at 1B in his professional career. It may be early to determine his potential to play the position.

to be fair...he's been below average his entire baseball career (collegiate/pro/sandlot) in LF/RF, 1B...and off the mound.

It is what it is...we can paint excuses all day.

I will not deny he can put the ball in play very well, and probably our 3rd or 4th best offensive player at the moment. Right now, he's the only option outside of Gorman for 1B...so again, I'm okay with whomever they put at 1B the next 2 years. After that...reassess for better options.

And NO...I don't want short 1B at 1B. So if they're under 6'0"...we can't just stick them there

"and probably our 3rd or 4th best offensive player at the moment". Please list three players on the Cardinals' team that you consider better offensive players than Burleson. Frankly, I can't see any of them that are clearly better than Burleson.

"3rd or 4th best"...so I only need to list 2:

Ivan and JJ...that's easy and obvious.

It's not as easy and obvious as you think. And if other posters are being honest, it probably isn't easy and obvious to them either. So it's not three Cardinals' players that you feel are better offensive players than Burleson like you alluded to the possibility. Is that correct? Just trying to cut through your krap.

JJ and Ivan are better. You think Saggese has won the LF job, solely based off being a Texas League MVP in 2023. If that's true, then Crooks will also be better than Burleson, and Torres who was robbed by Crooks for 2024 Texas League MVP will be better than Burleson. Maybe we should give Moises Gomez another try he was Texas League MVP in 2022...by your standards that means greatness. Winn hasn't even touched his Prime, and he's due for an uptick in offense...so he may be better than Burleson.

It's a matter of opinion as to who is the better hitter, Herrera or Burleson. I'm guessing it's not as easy and obvious as you claim for many that follow the Cardinals. And Wetherholt hasn't even taken an official MLB AB as yet. And I get it. I like Burleson and Saggese. So that means you don't like Burleson and Saggese. You are a trip. Who's your pick for LF, right now?

[craviduce]

Emotions aside. Speaking of roster positioning. The Cardinals' brass seem to like Burleson even more than I do as a player for the organization. Trading away Contreras to open up 1B for Burleson just might confirm that. Contreras was coming off a pretty good season, he wasn't real old or real expensive. He was good, defensively, at 1B. And the Cardinals could still have used Contreras' power production. Yes, the Cardinals' organization really seem to like Alec Burleson.

With all due respect.....and I like Burleson.....but nobody likes him more than you do!

And he had NEVER been good defensively at 1B...NEVER. The STATS don't lie. He's just below average, which isn't good.

I can live with Burleson at 1B.

I can live with anyone at 1B this year and next. After that, if we're serious about being a good/real team....then I can't live with it.

To be fair, he's only played 89 games at 1B in his professional career. It may be early to determine his potential to play the position.

to be fair...he's been below average his entire baseball career (collegiate/pro/sandlot) in LF/RF, 1B...and off the mound.

It is what it is...we can paint excuses all day.

I will not deny he can put the ball in play very well, and probably our 3rd or 4th best offensive player at the moment. Right now, he's the only option outside of Gorman for 1B...so again, I'm okay with whomever they put at 1B the next 2 years. After that...reassess for better options.

And NO...I don't want short 1B at 1B. So if they're under 6'0"...we can't just stick them there

"and probably our 3rd or 4th best offensive player at the moment". Please list three players on the Cardinals' team that you consider better offensive players than Burleson. Frankly, I can't see any of them that are clearly better than Burleson.

"3rd or 4th best"...so I only need to list 2:

Ivan and JJ...that's easy and obvious.

It's not as easy and obvious as you think. And if other posters are being honest, it probably isn't easy and obvious to them either. So it's not three Cardinals' players that you feel are better offensive players than Burleson like you alluded to the possibility. Is that correct? Just trying to cut through your krap.

JJ and Ivan are better. You think Saggese has won the LF job, solely based off being a Texas League MVP in 2023. If that's true, then Crooks will also be better than Burleson, and Torres who was robbed by Crooks for 2024 Texas League MVP will be better than Burleson. Maybe we should give Moises Gomez another try he was Texas League MVP in 2022...by your standards that means greatness. Winn hasn't even touched his Prime, and he's due for an uptick in offense...so he may be better than Burleson.

It's a matter of opinion as to who is the better hitter, Herrera or Burleson. And Wetherholt hasn't even taken an official MLB AB as yet. And I get it. I like Burleson and Saggese. So that means you don't like Burleson and Saggese. You are a trip. Who's your pick for LF, right now?

Where did I say I didn't like Saggese or Burleson? You ask questions, I answer...then you assume "The World vs. Shady". Get over yourself. JJ and Ivan are better hitters. That's not a knock on Burleson, it's a genuine talent gap. And I was using your current metric for greatness "Texas League MVP from yesteryear"....if you have a better metric then let us know. I try using Defensive Saber stats and offensive WAR stats, but you tend to ignore those for a more unrealistic, heavy on the hyperbolic approach.

[rockondlouie]

Question marks everywhere except SS.
Next closest is Burly at 1B and Pages at C.

C Herrera? Pozo or Crooks?
1B Can Burleson repeat his only not awful season?
2B Can Wetherholt move to 2B and succeed at the MLB level?
3B Will Gorman flop 3 years in a row? Urias? Saggese? Prieto? Fermin? Torres? me?
LF When can Nootbar return? Will Velazquez get a chance? Do the Cards give Fermin a chance? Saggese in LF?
CF Can Scott get his OPS above .600? Can Church or Torres unseat him by hitting much better than him? Saggese in CF?
RF Will Walker flop 3 years in a row? Can Baez continue to progress?
DH If not Herrera, then Velazquez? Blaze Jordan?

Our corner OF looks to be really bad for I forgot how many years in a row.

That's NOT a question mark IMO.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Without getting into a lot of wordy drama- Burleson is a good hitter, Herrera and Wetherholt are better.

[Shady]

With all due respect.....and I like Burleson.....but nobody likes him more than you do!

And he had NEVER been good defensively at 1B...NEVER. The STATS don't lie. He's just below average, which isn't good.

I can live with Burleson at 1B.

I can live with anyone at 1B this year and next. After that, if we're serious about being a good/real team....then I can't live with it.

To be fair, he's only played 89 games at 1B in his professional career. It may be early to determine his potential to play the position.

to be fair...he's been below average his entire baseball career (collegiate/pro/sandlot) in LF/RF, 1B...and off the mound.

It is what it is...we can paint excuses all day.

I will not deny he can put the ball in play very well, and probably our 3rd or 4th best offensive player at the moment. Right now, he's the only option outside of Gorman for 1B...so again, I'm okay with whomever they put at 1B the next 2 years. After that...reassess for better options.

And NO...I don't want short 1B at 1B. So if they're under 6'0"...we can't just stick them there

"and probably our 3rd or 4th best offensive player at the moment". Please list three players on the Cardinals' team that you consider better offensive players than Burleson. Frankly, I can't see any of them that are clearly better than Burleson.

"3rd or 4th best"...so I only need to list 2:

Ivan and JJ...that's easy and obvious.

It's not as easy and obvious as you think. And if other posters are being honest, it probably isn't easy and obvious to them either. So it's not three Cardinals' players that you feel are better offensive players than Burleson like you alluded to the possibility. Is that correct? Just trying to cut through your krap.

JJ and Ivan are better. You think Saggese has won the LF job, solely based off being a Texas League MVP in 2023. If that's true, then Crooks will also be better than Burleson, and Torres who was robbed by Crooks for 2024 Texas League MVP will be better than Burleson. Maybe we should give Moises Gomez another try he was Texas League MVP in 2022...by your standards that means greatness. Winn hasn't even touched his Prime, and he's due for an uptick in offense...so he may be better than Burleson.

It's a matter of opinion as to who is the better hitter, Herrera or Burleson. And Wetherholt hasn't even taken an official MLB AB as yet. And I get it. I like Burleson and Saggese. So that means you don't like Burleson and Saggese. You are a trip. Who's your pick for LF, right now?

Where did I say I didn't like Saggese or Burleson? You ask questions, I answer...then you assume "The World vs. Shady". Get over yourself. JJ and Ivan are better hitters. That's not a knock on Burleson, it's a genuine talent gap. And I was using your current metric for greatness "Texas League MVP from yesteryear"....if you have a better metric then let us know. I try using Defensive Saber stats and offensive WAR stats, but you tend to ignore those for a more unrealistic, heavy on the hyperbolic approach.

"JJ and Ivan are better hitters" That's just your opinion. I have mine. And Wetherholt still has to prove himself as a MLB hitter. Burleson already has. Wouldn't you, at least, agree with that? Why don't we see how the actual production goes this season? Then compare Herrera, Wetherholt and Burleson. Let's see if Wetherholt can match Burleson's .290 BA last season in the MLB. By the way. You might be the one that needs to "Get over yourself".