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ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 11:02 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 23:42 pm Over the last 50 years, Joe Torre holds the longest stretch going 4.5 years without a playoff appearance in StL. Oli probably tops that by end of this extension.

With today's expanded playoffs Torre would have made the playoffs in each of his first 3 seasons. 4th best record in NL in 1991. 5th best record in NL in 1992 and 1993. He did more with less given the ownership. 17th, 16th and 23rd payroll in those first 3 seasons.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 06:25 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 23:42 pm Over the last 50 years, Joe Torre holds the longest stretch going 4.5 years without a playoff appearance in StL. Oli probably tops that by end of this extension.

Ironically, this example highlights the importance roster talent.

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:53 am

Banner29 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 19:14 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 18:44 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 17:49 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:48 pm This is just like corporate America. If he is agreeable he’ll be here a long time. MS was canned because he was not agreeable.

Shildt was a raging a**hole who people hated working for. Thats why he flamed out in SD so quickly too.

He wasn’t great but He did get results though olis results aren’t good but hey the players are buddies with him so
I guess that’s all that matters

TLR was never Freddie Friendship either but another one that got results.

I often wonder if Shildt was just that bad, or if it’s been over blown because today’s players/younger coaches are just weak as h**l

Unlike Marmol, TLR lost more games in his first four seasons with the Cardinals than he won.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 06:25 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 23:42 pm Over the last 50 years, Joe Torre holds the longest stretch going 4.5 years without a playoff appearance in StL. Oli probably tops that by end of this extension.

Ironically, this example highlights the importance roster talent.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 12:05 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 06:25 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 23:42 pm Over the last 50 years, Joe Torre holds the longest stretch going 4.5 years without a playoff appearance in StL. Oli probably tops that by end of this extension.

Ironically, this example highlights the importance roster talent.

As mentioned in another post, Torre had a young roster that would've been in the post season by today's rules. 91, 92, 93. Same cannot be said for Marmol.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 12:03 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 11:02 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 23:42 pm Over the last 50 years, Joe Torre holds the longest stretch going 4.5 years without a playoff appearance in StL. Oli probably tops that by end of this extension.

With today's expanded playoffs Torre would have made the playoffs in each of his first 3 seasons. 4th best record in NL in 1991. 5th best record in NL in 1992 and 1993. He did more with less given the ownership. 17th, 16th and 23rd payroll in those first 3 seasons.

I agree. He did well with a young group. 92 and 93 were fun seasons.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 16:02 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 12:05 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 06:25 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 23:42 pm Over the last 50 years, Joe Torre holds the longest stretch going 4.5 years without a playoff appearance in StL. Oli probably tops that by end of this extension.

Ironically, this example highlights the importance roster talent.

As mentioned in another post, Torre had a young roster that would've been in the post season by today's rules. 91, 92, 93. Same cannot be said for Marmol.

A big +1 people conveniently ignore that fact. With all the wild cards Torres teams would have made it which would have spared him from being fired. Even with all of the wildcards oli isn’t making it and the one time he did he completely [shirt] the bed in the post season pulling Quintana then staring like an idiot while an injured helsley melted down because taking him out didn’t work in his paint by numbers style of managing

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 14:34 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:53 am

Banner29 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 19:14 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 18:44 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 17:49 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:48 pm This is just like corporate America. If he is agreeable he’ll be here a long time. MS was canned because he was not agreeable.

Shildt was a raging a**hole who people hated working for. Thats why he flamed out in SD so quickly too.

He wasn’t great but He did get results though olis results aren’t good but hey the players are buddies with him so
I guess that’s all that matters

TLR was never Freddie Friendship either but another one that got results.

I often wonder if Shildt was just that bad, or if it’s been over blown because today’s players/younger coaches are just weak as h**l

Unlike Marmol, TLR lost more games in his first four seasons with the Cardinals than he won.

You keep posting this, are you seriously trying to equate Oli w/TLR as a manager?

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 14:34 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:53 am

Banner29 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 19:14 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 18:44 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 17:49 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:48 pm This is just like corporate America. If he is agreeable he’ll be here a long time. MS was canned because he was not agreeable.

Shildt was a raging a**hole who people hated working for. Thats why he flamed out in SD so quickly too.

He wasn’t great but He did get results though olis results aren’t good but hey the players are buddies with him so
I guess that’s all that matters

TLR was never Freddie Friendship either but another one that got results.

I often wonder if Shildt was just that bad, or if it’s been over blown because today’s players/younger coaches are just weak as h**l

Unlike Marmol, TLR lost more games in his first four seasons with the Cardinals than he won.

You keep posting this, are you seriously trying to equate Oli w/TLR as a manager?

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 23:42 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 14:34 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:53 am

Banner29 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 19:14 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 18:44 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 17:49 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:48 pm This is just like corporate America. If he is agreeable he’ll be here a long time. MS was canned because he was not agreeable.

Shildt was a raging a**hole who people hated working for. Thats why he flamed out in SD so quickly too.

He wasn’t great but He did get results though olis results aren’t good but hey the players are buddies with him so
I guess that’s all that matters

TLR was never Freddie Friendship either but another one that got results.

I often wonder if Shildt was just that bad, or if it’s been over blown because today’s players/younger coaches are just weak as h**l

Unlike Marmol, TLR lost more games in his first four seasons with the Cardinals than he won.

You keep posting this, are you seriously trying to equate Oli w/TLR as a manager?

I’m equating judging a manager in the same time frame that another manager is being judged. I can’t just pick and choose the years from one guy and not another, can you?
There’s nothing to say any other manager would have done a better or worse job than Marmol did in those 4 years.
Marmol, and people will laugh, may be a HOF manager some day, just like other managers that had some bad years or slow starts.
I’m not a huge Marmol fan. I’m trying to be objective.

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 23:42 pm There’s nothing to say any other manager would have done a better or worse job than Marmol did in those 4 years.
Marmol, and people will laugh, may be a HOF manager some day, just like other managers that had some bad years or slow starts.
I’m not a huge Marmol fan. I’m trying to be objective.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑04 Mar 2026 08:46 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 23:42 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 14:34 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:53 am

Banner29 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 19:14 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 18:44 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 17:49 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:48 pm This is just like corporate America. If he is agreeable he’ll be here a long time. MS was canned because he was not agreeable.

Shildt was a raging a**hole who people hated working for. Thats why he flamed out in SD so quickly too.

He wasn’t great but He did get results though olis results aren’t good but hey the players are buddies with him so
I guess that’s all that matters

TLR was never Freddie Friendship either but another one that got results.

I often wonder if Shildt was just that bad, or if it’s been over blown because today’s players/younger coaches are just weak as h**l

Unlike Marmol, TLR lost more games in his first four seasons with the Cardinals than he won.

You keep posting this, are you seriously trying to equate Oli w/TLR as a manager?

I’m equating judging a manager in the same time frame that another manager is being judged. I can’t just pick and choose the years from one guy and not another, can you?
There’s nothing to say any other manager would have done a better or worse job than Marmol did in those 4 years.
Marmol, and people will laugh, may be a HOF manager some day, just like other managers that had some bad years or slow starts.
I’m not a huge Marmol fan. I’m trying to be objective.

OMGosh did you actually post:

"Marmol, and people will laugh, may be a HOF manager some day..."

Oli is a pitiful in game Manager, he brings absolutely nothing to the team by way of creating some offense on an offensively challenged team.

Plus he lacks the simple knowledge to even set his batting order correctly.

Once a minor league manager, always a minor league level manager.

He s u c k s

Melville wrote: ↑04 Mar 2026 08:53 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 23:42 pm There’s nothing to say any other manager would have done a better or worse job than Marmol did in those 4 years.
Marmol, and people will laugh, may be a HOF manager some day, just like other managers that had some bad years or slow starts.
I’m not a huge Marmol fan. I’m trying to be objective.

You are to be highly commended in trying to be objective.
I am, of course, free of bias, free of agenda in all things - and always appreciate it when others attempt to elevate their own efforts at objectivity.
That said, I gently point out that you have far to go in that regard.
There is actually plenty of evidence that other managers would have been far more effective than The Marmot over the past 4 seasons.
And there is zero factual basis by which to opine that it is possible for The Marmot to magically transform into a HOF manager.
I believe you are earnest in your desire to appear objective - and therefore I encourage you to continue that effort, but there is much work yet to be done.