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Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:41 am

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:34 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:31 am

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:29 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:27 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:14 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:05 pm Mo must've taught oli how to keep a job despite producing pitiful results. Or he passed some DeWitt blackmail to Lil oli before he left.

I know I’m impressed with his results players continue to play just as poor fundamental baseball several years after coming up as they did when they first came up. For a manager to be able to get that level of consistent poor play out of them is impressive

Why would people think the manager gives hitting and fielding instructions?

So all the manager does is fill out the line up card and make pitching changes? Sweet gig.

MLB managers generally do not provide direct, day-to-day technical hitting instruction; that responsibility falls to the specialized hitting coach(es). Managers focus on overall team strategy, lineups, and in-game decisions, while hitting coaches use video, data, and mechanics to work with players on their swings, approach, and mental state.

And when Mike schildt was manager he made it a point to focus on fundamental baseball and they were solid fundamentally. What is olis overall team strategy?

Mike Schildt didn’t coach players. LaRussa didnt teach pitching.
Schildt may have said he is focused on fundamentals, but his coaches would be the ones to instill them. Talking about teaching fundamentals with major league players is kind of stupid. Do you think any teams say they are going to ignore fundamentals? Which team does that? These guys have been playing ball at least 10 years. That’s why I also hate the term, “Rookie mistake”.

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:34 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:31 am

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:29 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:27 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:14 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:05 pm Mo must've taught oli how to keep a job despite producing pitiful results. Or he passed some DeWitt blackmail to Lil oli before he left.

I know I’m impressed with his results players continue to play just as poor fundamental baseball several years after coming up as they did when they first came up. For a manager to be able to get that level of consistent poor play out of them is impressive

Why would people think the manager gives hitting and fielding instructions?

So all the manager does is fill out the line up card and make pitching changes? Sweet gig.

MLB managers generally do not provide direct, day-to-day technical hitting instruction; that responsibility falls to the specialized hitting coach(es). Managers focus on overall team strategy, lineups, and in-game decisions, while hitting coaches use video, data, and mechanics to work with players on their swings, approach, and mental state.

And when Mike schildt was manager he made it a point to focus on fundamental baseball and they were solid fundamentally. What is olis overall team strategy?

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 22:40 pm

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 22:10 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 20:16 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 19:51 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 19:50 pm

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 16:35 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:05 pm Mo must've taught oli how to keep a job despite producing pitiful results. Or he passed some DeWitt blackmail to Lil oli before he left.

The first professional sports team leader to be hired and extended multiple times with accountability, skill, leadership, and winning being absolute non-factors.

Either this guy was really held back by Mozeliak, or DeWitt just doesn't care. Neither would surprise me. DeWitt doesn't seem to care about anything but money. And Johnny bow ties was a numb nutted putz.

Likeability, agreeability, charisma play a major role.

Those traits are important. But would you say oli has demonstrated them to the fans?

Oli has some growing up to do. His handling of O’Neill and his showing up CB Bucknor both had very bad optics. I think he’s known as a hothead in some circles. Not a guy I want to follow into battle. He’s not yet the smartest guy on the field, but he acts like he is.

Very good points. His actions regarding O'Neill were bush league and out of line. But what can you expect when the POBO does something even more egregious by throwing Contreras under the bus? Lil oli was under the tutelage of Johnny putz Mozeliak.

Hopefully, Bloom has had a long talk with his manager and convinced Lil oli that a career. 500 record doesn't warrant arrogant or condescending behavior.

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:29 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:27 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:14 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:05 pm Mo must've taught oli how to keep a job despite producing pitiful results. Or he passed some DeWitt blackmail to Lil oli before he left.

I know I’m impressed with his results players continue to play just as poor fundamental baseball several years after coming up as they did when they first came up. For a manager to be able to get that level of consistent poor play out of them is impressive

Why would people think the manager gives hitting and fielding instructions?

So all the manager does is fill out the line up card and make pitching changes? Sweet gig.

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 12:14 pm

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:29 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:27 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:14 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:05 pm Mo must've taught oli how to keep a job despite producing pitiful results. Or he passed some DeWitt blackmail to Lil oli before he left.

I know I’m impressed with his results players continue to play just as poor fundamental baseball several years after coming up as they did when they first came up. For a manager to be able to get that level of consistent poor play out of them is impressive

Why would people think the manager gives hitting and fielding instructions?

So all the manager does is fill out the line up card and make pitching changes? Sweet gig.

They dont teach fundamentals. So when Bud Black, a former pitcher, was managing, do you think he was teaching infielder how to field? Hitters how to hit? This isn't little league. If these guys have made it to ML they know how to run bases, field grounders, and catch fly balls. Like any other skill base that exists, some are better at it than others. That why teams employ specialty coaches. Hitting, pitching, and fielding. Its not the managers job.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:14 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:05 pm Mo must've taught oli how to keep a job despite producing pitiful results. Or he passed some DeWitt blackmail to Lil oli before he left.

I know I’m impressed with his results players continue to play just as poor fundamental baseball several years after coming up as they did when they first came up. For a manager to be able to get that level of consistent poor play out of them is impressive

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:27 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:14 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:05 pm Mo must've taught oli how to keep a job despite producing pitiful results. Or he passed some DeWitt blackmail to Lil oli before he left.

I know I’m impressed with his results players continue to play just as poor fundamental baseball several years after coming up as they did when they first came up. For a manager to be able to get that level of consistent poor play out of them is impressive

Why would people think the manager gives hitting and fielding instructions?

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 12:25 pm

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 12:14 pm

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:29 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:27 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:14 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:05 pm Mo must've taught oli how to keep a job despite producing pitiful results. Or he passed some DeWitt blackmail to Lil oli before he left.

I know I’m impressed with his results players continue to play just as poor fundamental baseball several years after coming up as they did when they first came up. For a manager to be able to get that level of consistent poor play out of them is impressive

Why would people think the manager gives hitting and fielding instructions?

So all the manager does is fill out the line up card and make pitching changes? Sweet gig.

They dont teach fundamentals. So when Bud Black, a former pitcher, was managing, do you think he was teaching infielder how to field? Hitters how to hit? This isn't little league. If these guys have made it to ML they know how to run bases, field grounders, and catch fly balls. Like any other skill base that exists, some are better at it than others. That why teams employ specialty coaches. Hitting, pitching, and fielding. Its not the managers job.

They put together a plan. Do you think the manager and coaches act completely independent of one another? If they do then that is one dysfunctional organization.

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 10:51 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 22:40 pm

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 22:10 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 20:16 pm

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 19:51 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 19:50 pm

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 16:35 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:05 pm Mo must've taught oli how to keep a job despite producing pitiful results. Or he passed some DeWitt blackmail to Lil oli before he left.

The first professional sports team leader to be hired and extended multiple times with accountability, skill, leadership, and winning being absolute non-factors.

Either this guy was really held back by Mozeliak, or DeWitt just doesn't care. Neither would surprise me. DeWitt doesn't seem to care about anything but money. And Johnny bow ties was a numb nutted putz.

Likeability, agreeability, charisma play a major role.

Those traits are important. But would you say oli has demonstrated them to the fans?

Oli has some growing up to do. His handling of O’Neill and his showing up CB Bucknor both had very bad optics. I think he’s known as a hothead in some circles. Not a guy I want to follow into battle. He’s not yet the smartest guy on the field, but he acts like he is.

Very good points. His actions regarding O'Neill were bush league and out of line. But what can you expect when the POBO does something even more egregious by throwing Contreras under the bus? Lil oli was under the tutelage of Johnny putz Mozeliak.

Hopefully, Bloom has had a long talk with his manager and convinced Lil oli that a career. 500 record doesn't warrant arrogant or condescending behavior.

I sure hope that you are right. Bloom wants Oli to be "Humble and Hungry". There is no room for arrogance.

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 06:12 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:41 am

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:34 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:31 am

Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:29 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:27 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:14 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:05 pm Mo must've taught oli how to keep a job despite producing pitiful results. Or he passed some DeWitt blackmail to Lil oli before he left.

I know I’m impressed with his results players continue to play just as poor fundamental baseball several years after coming up as they did when they first came up. For a manager to be able to get that level of consistent poor play out of them is impressive

Why would people think the manager gives hitting and fielding instructions?

So all the manager does is fill out the line up card and make pitching changes? Sweet gig.

MLB managers generally do not provide direct, day-to-day technical hitting instruction; that responsibility falls to the specialized hitting coach(es). Managers focus on overall team strategy, lineups, and in-game decisions, while hitting coaches use video, data, and mechanics to work with players on their swings, approach, and mental state.

And when Mike schildt was manager he made it a point to focus on fundamental baseball and they were solid fundamentally. What is olis overall team strategy?

Mike Schildt didn’t coach players. LaRussa didnt teach pitching.
Schildt may have said he is focused on fundamentals, but his coaches would be the ones to instill them. Talking about teaching fundamentals with major league players is kind of stupid. Do you think any teams say they are going to ignore fundamentals? Which team does that? These guys have been playing ball at least 10 years. That’s why I also hate the term, “Rookie mistake”.

The Cardinals have obviously ignored fundamentals since schildt left. They cant even run the bases.

icon wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 12:56 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:27 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:14 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:05 pm Mo must've taught oli how to keep a job despite producing pitiful results. Or he passed some DeWitt blackmail to Lil oli before he left.

I know I’m impressed with his results players continue to play just as poor fundamental baseball several years after coming up as they did when they first came up. For a manager to be able to get that level of consistent poor play out of them is impressive

Why would people think the manager gives hitting and fielding instructions?

He is responsible for his coaching staff. And his coaches provide hitting and fielding instruction. He is their boss. The buck stops there. Apparently you don't know much about management and its responsibilities

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 00:51 am

icon wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 12:56 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:27 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:14 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:05 pm Mo must've taught oli how to keep a job despite producing pitiful results. Or he passed some DeWitt blackmail to Lil oli before he left.

I know I’m impressed with his results players continue to play just as poor fundamental baseball several years after coming up as they did when they first came up. For a manager to be able to get that level of consistent poor play out of them is impressive

Why would people think the manager gives hitting and fielding instructions?

He is responsible for his coaching staff. And his coaches provide hitting and fielding instruction. He is their boss. The buck stops there. Apparently you don't know much about management and its responsibilities

My manager never coached me on welding because he didn’t know how.
Did Marmol pick his own staff? I’m not sure on that one.
It’s clear you don’t like Marmol. Everything he does is wrong in your opinion.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 10:09 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 00:51 am

icon wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 12:56 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:27 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:14 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:05 pm Mo must've taught oli how to keep a job despite producing pitiful results. Or he passed some DeWitt blackmail to Lil oli before he left.

I know I’m impressed with his results players continue to play just as poor fundamental baseball several years after coming up as they did when they first came up. For a manager to be able to get that level of consistent poor play out of them is impressive

Why would people think the manager gives hitting and fielding instructions?

He is responsible for his coaching staff. And his coaches provide hitting and fielding instruction. He is their boss. The buck stops there. Apparently you don't know much about management and its responsibilities

My manager never coached me on welding because he didn’t know how.
Did Marmol pick his own staff? I’m not sure on that one.
It’s clear you don’t like Marmol. Everything he does is wrong in your opinion.

According to Larussa managers run the practices is supposed to observe deficiencies and instruct the coaches on what to focus on. If his coaches aren’t doing their jobs he should tell bloom and get them gone but he has praised his coaching staff and kept them so apparently he thinks they are doing a good job at continuing the poor fundamental play of the team. When you’re the general running things you can’t say oh well the people under me aren’t doing their jobs nothing I can do about them nope his job is to get them to do their jobs and if they can’t or won’t tell bloom so he can find someone who can. A rebuild isn’t going to work with poor coaches and managers who don’t take responsibility

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 12:58 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 10:09 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 00:51 am

icon wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 12:56 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:27 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:14 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:05 pm Mo must've taught oli how to keep a job despite producing pitiful results. Or he passed some DeWitt blackmail to Lil oli before he left.

I know I’m impressed with his results players continue to play just as poor fundamental baseball several years after coming up as they did when they first came up. For a manager to be able to get that level of consistent poor play out of them is impressive

Why would people think the manager gives hitting and fielding instructions?

He is responsible for his coaching staff. And his coaches provide hitting and fielding instruction. He is their boss. The buck stops there. Apparently you don't know much about management and its responsibilities

My manager never coached me on welding because he didn’t know how.
Did Marmol pick his own staff? I’m not sure on that one.
It’s clear you don’t like Marmol. Everything he does is wrong in your opinion.

According to Larussa managers run the practices is supposed to observe deficiencies and instruct the coaches on what to focus on. If his coaches aren’t doing their jobs he should tell bloom and get them gone but he has praised his coaching staff and kept them so apparently he thinks they are doing a good job at continuing the poor fundamental play of the team. When you’re the general running things you can’t say oh well the people under me aren’t doing their jobs nothing I can do about them nope his job is to get them to do their jobs and if they can’t or won’t tell bloom so he can find someone who can. A rebuild isn’t going to work with poor coaches and managers who don’t take responsibility

And what is fundamentally bad as compared to 5, 10 or 15 years ago?

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 13:04 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 12:58 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 10:09 am

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2026 00:51 am

icon wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 12:56 pm

Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2026 05:27 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:14 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:05 pm Mo must've taught oli how to keep a job despite producing pitiful results. Or he passed some DeWitt blackmail to Lil oli before he left.

I know I’m impressed with his results players continue to play just as poor fundamental baseball several years after coming up as they did when they first came up. For a manager to be able to get that level of consistent poor play out of them is impressive

Why would people think the manager gives hitting and fielding instructions?

He is responsible for his coaching staff. And his coaches provide hitting and fielding instruction. He is their boss. The buck stops there. Apparently you don't know much about management and its responsibilities

My manager never coached me on welding because he didn’t know how.
Did Marmol pick his own staff? I’m not sure on that one.
It’s clear you don’t like Marmol. Everything he does is wrong in your opinion.

According to Larussa managers run the practices is supposed to observe deficiencies and instruct the coaches on what to focus on. If his coaches aren’t doing their jobs he should tell bloom and get them gone but he has praised his coaching staff and kept them so apparently he thinks they are doing a good job at continuing the poor fundamental play of the team. When you’re the general running things you can’t say oh well the people under me aren’t doing their jobs nothing I can do about them nope his job is to get them to do their jobs and if they can’t or won’t tell bloom so he can find someone who can. A rebuild isn’t going to work with poor coaches and managers who don’t take responsibility

And what is fundamentally bad as compared to 5, 10 or 15 years ago?

Players not improving base running blunders poor situational hitting throwing to the wrong bases not hitting cut off men just some of the worst fundamental play I’ve seen on cardinal teams in a while. Which with young players it’s not surprising but when you have players that have been in the majors for years and haven’t shown any significant improvements in the basic fundamentals then it’s a problem. But hey if you watch the cardinals games and thinks they are good at the fundamentals then hey good for you if you think that’s quality play that will lead to success