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Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 19:06 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 18:28 pm

RunSup wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 17:46 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Feb 2026 15:09 pm Some forum members seem to be confused when it comes to differentiating between the meaning of depth and simply a case of numbers when it comes to this season's starting rotation.

The only certainties as of the end of February is Liberatore and McGreevy.

The rest are inexperienced with little to no ML innings as a starter, injury issues, or in Pallantes case ineffectiveness.

Even if you pencil in May as a given, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy, Mathews, Hence, Mautz or Pallante can't be seen as "depth" as in a commodity with some experience and a measure of success.

That may very well come later for a few and that would then easily be something to hang your hat on but for now that simply isnt the case.

Yes, but Pallante aside could this grab bag of pitchers be better than what Mikolas and Fedde gave. That's the floor for 2026. At least they are young. Hope springs.

May ... well he's not Gray. But maybe will sweat less.

Yeah anything is possible but lets not forget as bad as some believe it was the team was 9-games over .500 at one point with that group. It isn't all on them the offense was bad.

That won't happen this season and yes I know the record isn't supposed to matter.

There seems to be nearly as many health concerns with some of these candidates as there are numbers.

The starting pitching was trash mikolas and Fedde were garbage every month but may the team was bad to garbage every month but may. If they could have replaced them with pitchers that were even .500 they would have made the playoffs but they had no depth. The only thing that saved the cardinals last season was the bullpen. This year they won’t have to stick with garbage pitchers all season like last season because they have depth to replace them

11WSChamps wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 18:23 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 18:13 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Feb 2026 15:09 pm Some forum members seem to be confused when it comes to differentiating between the meaning of depth and simply a case of numbers when it comes to this season's starting rotation.

The only certainties as of the end of February is Liberatore and McGreevy.

The rest are inexperienced with little to no ML innings as a starter, injury issues, or in Pallantes case ineffectiveness.

Even if you pencil in May as a given, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy, Mathews, Hence, Mautz or Pallante can't be seen as "depth" as in a commodity with some experience and a measure of success.

That may very well come later for a few and that would then easily be something to hang your hat on but for now that simply isnt the case.

Well I guess no team but the dodgers has depth according to you then by your definition. You want what two rotations of successful experienced starters to be considered depth? lol how many teams have 7 or 8 experienced successful starters?

My definition has to do with facts.

The Cardinals as the season begins has not one proven sustainable starting rotation pitcher with success. May is capable but made only 20-starts in three years prior to last season and he's being treated with kid gloves as we start spring training.

Use some common sense for goodness sakes. I'm not talking about 10-successful experienced pitchers as you said.

I'll settle for two or maybe three with a couple of question marks.

And that may come by the end of the season. As I said as of now that is far from the case.

You can't believe there's more certainty with this group of 8 or 9 guys than there is question marks?

lined2left wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026 13:14 pm JJ Weatherholt doesn’t need to get a single hit to be great.

Bunting into foul territory is a thing of beauty (but only when JJ Weatherholt does it)

dugoutrex wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 19:28 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 19:06 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 18:28 pm

RunSup wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 17:46 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Feb 2026 15:09 pm Some forum members seem to be confused when it comes to differentiating between the meaning of depth and simply a case of numbers when it comes to this season's starting rotation.

The only certainties as of the end of February is Liberatore and McGreevy.

The rest are inexperienced with little to no ML innings as a starter, injury issues, or in Pallantes case ineffectiveness.

Even if you pencil in May as a given, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy, Mathews, Hence, Mautz or Pallante can't be seen as "depth" as in a commodity with some experience and a measure of success.

That may very well come later for a few and that would then easily be something to hang your hat on but for now that simply isnt the case.

Yes, but Pallante aside could this grab bag of pitchers be better than what Mikolas and Fedde gave. That's the floor for 2026. At least they are young. Hope springs.

May ... well he's not Gray. But maybe will sweat less.

Yeah anything is possible but lets not forget as bad as some believe it was the team was 9-games over .500 at one point with that group. It isn't all on them the offense was bad.

That won't happen this season and yes I know the record isn't supposed to matter.

There seems to be nearly as many health concerns with some of these candidates as there are numbers.

The starting pitching was trash mikolas and Fedde were garbage every month but may the team was bad to garbage every month but may. If they could have replaced them with pitchers that were even .500 they would have made the playoffs but they had no depth. The only thing that saved the cardinals last season was the bullpen. This year they won’t have to stick with garbage pitchers all season like last season because they have depth to replace them

the 'depth' this year will not have us 9 games over .500 in June - those trash starters were actually really good the 1st 2 1/2 months of the season

Jatalk wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026 14:18 pm

lined2left wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026 13:14 pm JJ Weatherholt doesn’t need to get a single hit to be great.

Bunting into foul territory is a thing of beauty (but only when JJ Weatherholt does it)

Excellent observation.

RunSup wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 19:56 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 18:23 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 18:13 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Feb 2026 15:09 pm Some forum members seem to be confused when it comes to differentiating between the meaning of depth and simply a case of numbers when it comes to this season's starting rotation.

The only certainties as of the end of February is Liberatore and McGreevy.

The rest are inexperienced with little to no ML innings as a starter, injury issues, or in Pallantes case ineffectiveness.

Even if you pencil in May as a given, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy, Mathews, Hence, Mautz or Pallante can't be seen as "depth" as in a commodity with some experience and a measure of success.

That may very well come later for a few and that would then easily be something to hang your hat on but for now that simply isnt the case.

Well I guess no team but the dodgers has depth according to you then by your definition. You want what two rotations of successful experienced starters to be considered depth? lol how many teams have 7 or 8 experienced successful starters?

My definition has to do with facts.

The Cardinals as the season begins has not one proven sustainable starting rotation pitcher with success. May is capable but made only 20-starts in three years prior to last season and he's being treated with kid gloves as we start spring training.

Use some common sense for goodness sakes. I'm not talking about 10-successful experienced pitchers as you said.

I'll settle for two or maybe three with a couple of question marks.

And that may come by the end of the season. As I said as of now that is far from the case.

You can't believe there's more certainty with this group of 8 or 9 guys than there is question marks?

What do you think 2026 is about? Why don't you use some common sense instead of getting all up tight about what is about to happen.

They are rebuilding. They aren't competing. Just relax and enjoy the ride. Or don't watch. I don't care.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 19:06 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 18:28 pm

RunSup wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 17:46 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Feb 2026 15:09 pm Some forum members seem to be confused when it comes to differentiating between the meaning of depth and simply a case of numbers when it comes to this season's starting rotation.

The only certainties as of the end of February is Liberatore and McGreevy.

The rest are inexperienced with little to no ML innings as a starter, injury issues, or in Pallantes case ineffectiveness.

Even if you pencil in May as a given, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy, Mathews, Hence, Mautz or Pallante can't be seen as "depth" as in a commodity with some experience and a measure of success.

That may very well come later for a few and that would then easily be something to hang your hat on but for now that simply isnt the case.

Yes, but Pallante aside could this grab bag of pitchers be better than what Mikolas and Fedde gave. That's the floor for 2026. At least they are young. Hope springs.

May ... well he's not Gray. But maybe will sweat less.

Yeah anything is possible but lets not forget as bad as some believe it was the team was 9-games over .500 at one point with that group. It isn't all on them the offense was bad.

That won't happen this season and yes I know the record isn't supposed to matter.

There seems to be nearly as many health concerns with some of these candidates as there are numbers.

The starting pitching was trash mikolas and Fedde were garbage every month but may the team was bad to garbage every month but may. If they could have replaced them with pitchers that were even .500 they would have made the playoffs but they had no depth. The only thing that saved the cardinals last season was the bullpen. This year they won’t have to stick with garbage pitchers all season like last season because they have depth to replace them

11WSChamps wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 21:57 pm

RunSup wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 19:56 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 18:23 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 18:13 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Feb 2026 15:09 pm Some forum members seem to be confused when it comes to differentiating between the meaning of depth and simply a case of numbers when it comes to this season's starting rotation.

The only certainties as of the end of February is Liberatore and McGreevy.

The rest are inexperienced with little to no ML innings as a starter, injury issues, or in Pallantes case ineffectiveness.

Even if you pencil in May as a given, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy, Mathews, Hence, Mautz or Pallante can't be seen as "depth" as in a commodity with some experience and a measure of success.

That may very well come later for a few and that would then easily be something to hang your hat on but for now that simply isnt the case.

Well I guess no team but the dodgers has depth according to you then by your definition. You want what two rotations of successful experienced starters to be considered depth? lol how many teams have 7 or 8 experienced successful starters?

My definition has to do with facts.

The Cardinals as the season begins has not one proven sustainable starting rotation pitcher with success. May is capable but made only 20-starts in three years prior to last season and he's being treated with kid gloves as we start spring training.

Use some common sense for goodness sakes. I'm not talking about 10-successful experienced pitchers as you said.

I'll settle for two or maybe three with a couple of question marks.

And that may come by the end of the season. As I said as of now that is far from the case.

You can't believe there's more certainty with this group of 8 or 9 guys than there is question marks?

What do you think 2026 is about? Why don't you use some common sense instead of getting all up tight about what is about to happen.

They are rebuilding. They aren't competing. Just relax and enjoy the ride. Or don't watch. I don't care.

Heah (donkey)(pit) Im not uptight about anything but you sure are.

You responded to me first remember.

It's too bad you have to resort to fanboy fake outrage status instead of having some idea of what you're talking about.

Six more months of listening to you idiots whine about fans who are exponentially more reasonable than you are.

RunSup wrote: ↑01 Mar 2026 15:09 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 21:57 pm

RunSup wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 19:56 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 18:23 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Feb 2026 18:13 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑27 Feb 2026 15:09 pm Some forum members seem to be confused when it comes to differentiating between the meaning of depth and simply a case of numbers when it comes to this season's starting rotation.

The only certainties as of the end of February is Liberatore and McGreevy.

The rest are inexperienced with little to no ML innings as a starter, injury issues, or in Pallantes case ineffectiveness.

Even if you pencil in May as a given, Fitts, Dobbins, Leahy, Mathews, Hence, Mautz or Pallante can't be seen as "depth" as in a commodity with some experience and a measure of success.

That may very well come later for a few and that would then easily be something to hang your hat on but for now that simply isnt the case.

Well I guess no team but the dodgers has depth according to you then by your definition. You want what two rotations of successful experienced starters to be considered depth? lol how many teams have 7 or 8 experienced successful starters?

My definition has to do with facts.

The Cardinals as the season begins has not one proven sustainable starting rotation pitcher with success. May is capable but made only 20-starts in three years prior to last season and he's being treated with kid gloves as we start spring training.

Use some common sense for goodness sakes. I'm not talking about 10-successful experienced pitchers as you said.

I'll settle for two or maybe three with a couple of question marks.

And that may come by the end of the season. As I said as of now that is far from the case.

You can't believe there's more certainty with this group of 8 or 9 guys than there is question marks?

What do you think 2026 is about? Why don't you use some common sense instead of getting all up tight about what is about to happen.

They are rebuilding. They aren't competing. Just relax and enjoy the ride. Or don't watch. I don't care.

Heah (donkey)(pit) Im not uptight about anything but you sure are.

You responded to me first remember.

It's too bad you have to resort to fanboy fake outrage status instead of having some idea of what you're talking about.

Six more months of listening to you idiots whine about fans who are exponentially more reasonable than you are.

So you resort to name calling and insult. Thanks for clarifying yourself.