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Re: Revenue Sharing and a Floor

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 15:18 pm
by 45s
Cardinals1964 wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:14 pm I understand a floor. But what if good players don’t want to assign with your team? You end up paying guys with less skill, more money.

Without giving this hardly any thought whatsoever because it’s a waste of my time, if they designate a floor. Say $125 million I think anything under $125 million should go to the players association and they can divide it up, however they see fit. Based on time, games played, service time whatever. But don’t force me to pay Siani $20 million so I can make my floor.
It snowballs in arbitration….

Some player goes to arbitration…..he says “that bum in Stl is getting 20 mil….of course I’m worth 25…

Now there are two guys vastly overpaid

Re: Revenue Sharing and a Floor

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 15:42 pm
by Cardinals1964
45s wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:18 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:14 pm I understand a floor. But what if good players don’t want to assign with your team? You end up paying guys with less skill, more money.

Without giving this hardly any thought whatsoever because it’s a waste of my time, if they designate a floor. Say $125 million I think anything under $125 million should go to the players association and they can divide it up, however they see fit. Based on time, games played, service time whatever. But don’t force me to pay Siani $20 million so I can make my floor.
It snowballs in arbitration….

Some player goes to arbitration…..he says “that bum in Stl is getting 20 mil….of course I’m worth 25…

Now there are two guys vastly overpaid
Let’s end arbitration and shorten FA. The more re players available to sign each year, the better.
4 years in the minors and you’re a free agent. Since some teams have players in the minors that would be starting in the majors on others.
4 years in the majors and you’re a free

Re: Revenue Sharing and a Floor

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 16:16 pm
by dugoutrex
alw80 wrote: 25 Feb 2026 07:05 am Is the NFL popular because of their cap system and revenue sharing?
nope - it is just an incredibly exciting sport that plays perfectly on television

Re: Revenue Sharing and a Floor

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 16:22 pm
by alw80
dugoutrex wrote: 25 Feb 2026 16:16 pm
alw80 wrote: 25 Feb 2026 07:05 am Is the NFL popular because of their cap system and revenue sharing?
nope - it is just an incredibly exciting sport that plays perfectly on television
Football is just more popular than baseball. College football is huge, baseball is not. The NFL having one game a week and 17 total for a season is a big factor in this. Also, a team can get lucky for a season and go from a bad season the year before to a good season the next (Pats, Bears) because of they play such a small schedule. NFL is a bad comp overall for baseball.

Re: Revenue Sharing and a Floor

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 17:27 pm
by renostl
45s wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:06 pm
renostl wrote: 25 Feb 2026 14:21 pm
45s wrote: 25 Feb 2026 11:11 am
mattmitchl44 wrote: 25 Feb 2026 10:58 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Feb 2026 10:43 am
Jatalk wrote: 25 Feb 2026 10:39 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Feb 2026 10:36 am
Jatalk wrote: 25 Feb 2026 10:24 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Feb 2026 08:28 am
Jatalk wrote: 25 Feb 2026 08:15 am
alw80 wrote: 25 Feb 2026 07:05 am Is the NFL popular because of their cap system and revenue sharing?
I think it is a major contributor to popularity since it established competitive balance.
Tell that to fans of the Browns, Jets, Bengals, Cardinals, Panthers, Falcons, Commanders, Raiders, Dolphins, Titans, and even Bears. These teams are more often bad than good.
They are some of the worst ran organizations in professional sports. Some have spent foolishly such as Browns. Some refuse to spend such as Cincy. Everyone you have mentioned has a history of either poor ownership or management or both. Caps and floors can’t fix stupid.
So then a salary cap really doesn't create competitive balance.
It gives smartly run teams the chance to be competitive
So does just being a smartly run team. A cap isn't helping Pitt or Cincy, or the Angels.
If nothing changes about how "smart" they are, Pittsburgh spending $125 million to reach a salary floor will be more competitive against the Dodgers limited by a $250 million cap than the Pirates currently spending $85 million in 2025 against the Dodgers spending $350 million.
if pitts has the same type players....just forced to pay them more.....how does that make them more competitive
Apologies for the length.

There isn't a fix for all counter points that can be made on either side of this subject. I'd prefer zero caps
on both the top and the floor and use strategic costs and capitalism to control how teams spend. Entertainment
isn't like other industries.

Most of us would not go to a hospital staffed by all minimum wage employees. Yet that's what gets pushed
on fans when teams promote the next great prospects on us before they are ready. It decreases the product
as much if not more than paying a non-star a couple million.

Making teams that benefit from revenue spend at least a certain factor of that dollar on the roster
doesn't necessitate it be spent on poor players. Poor by MLB standards. It might just mean that teams
like Pittsburgh keeps Skenes, TB keeps Caminero, StL keeps Whetherholt. ID the players you want to keep
and do so. Keep Skenes don't over pay for Hays. Currently teams are supposed to spend 1.5 times what is
received on their team. It's poorly enforced and not necessarily spent on the roster. Currently fans of such
teams are reasonably sure that such players go elsewhere. That imo, isn't good.

Teams should be able to make money when they do smart things, All that they count. They do in the NFL
by providing a better team and still share TV revenue. Better NFL teams do generate far more of a part
of that revenue than the poorer teams. There's the kings of revenue generators are cyclical.

Preferably let MLB teams spend whatever they desire. Currently the 48/52 rule is manipulated by caps
in what is shared along with loopholes in what is considered revenue. The largest being around TV.
Capitalism says teams won't operate at a loss for long. More bite in going over a luxury tax system
that has strategic cost may help. They can buy all they want but there's a strategic cost like
draft picks or something.

Actually sharing all TV revenue, actually having to spend a factor of what is received on the on field
product seems like a place to start a solution. If Bill makes a billion off products like BPV more
power to him. Thinking that Bill will ever compete with TV subscriptions in large markets
is naive. They don't blink at $100 subscriptions and since there is more of them it widens gaps.
Is that sharing weighted relative to the contribution?
It is according to the current CBA. All teams put in 48% of their revenue. Keep 52%. Divide the funds from
what's in this created kitty 30 ways. The system isn't terrible on paper. The large revenue just aren't
sharing all revenue, especially TV revenue. There are also Caps that limit sharing. TB has a payroll near
what they receive as their share vs 1.5 times as bargained in CBA. To be fair it's not mandated to be spent
on payroll but on baseball operations.

Adjust the system. Maybe 52%/48% without caps. Enforce the rules, allow for the free market without a cap,
except the spending on roster instead of baseball operations.

Again there isn't perfect. I also am not as knowledgeable as others here are on the system.
It's frustrating to me to hear constant bickering in a system that has so much lucrative results.

Re: Revenue Sharing and a Floor

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 17:51 pm
by renostl
45s wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:18 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:14 pm I understand a floor. But what if good players don’t want to assign with your team? You end up paying guys with less skill, more money.

Without giving this hardly any thought whatsoever because it’s a waste of my time, if they designate a floor. Say $125 million I think anything under $125 million should go to the players association and they can divide it up, however they see fit. Based on time, games played, service time whatever. But don’t force me to pay Siani $20 million so I can make my floor.
It snowballs in arbitration….

Some player goes to arbitration…..he says “that bum in Stl is getting 20 mil….of course I’m worth 25…

Now there are two guys vastly overpaid
It happens this way now anyway without a floor.

I'll submit that in Siani's case he a CF in the #5 or #6 outfielder variety.
In that example perhaps players with more production are kept instead of letting
them walk as soon as they are about to be paid.

Siani will be a cheap alternative in either system. Not one of the 30 starters
in CF. IF more teams keep their home-grown productive players there is less scrambling
to meet a floor. Especially if that floor is created off of revenue sharing, money in hand, and
not an arbitrary number. This floor in payroll will not be difficult to reach.

Re: Revenue Sharing and a Floor

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 19:33 pm
by ScotchMIrish
A floor makes sense only if there is a legitimate payroll cap that allows small market teams to compete and revenue sharing to ensure the owners don't lose money.