Oli & Chaim may not see eye to eye on right handed bat

[Cusecards]

We all know the OF is jumbled with nobody locked in to a spot.
Maybe Noot if 100% healthy.
So while a RH bat would be a plus I can see where the “timing” may not be right at the moment??
Like it or not we need to get “clarity” on pretty much everyone:
Noot? Is it time to move on?
Walker? Make or break season?
Scott? What about his bat?
Church? Who knows?
Herrera? Is he changing positions?
Josh Baez? Can he become a factor after the break?
Unless they know who they are going with I just wonder if adding another to the mix causes problems with PT??

[Talkin' Baseball]

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with plenty of veteran leadership.

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with OLI IN THE DUGOUT.

And they won NL Central when he had talent.

Who'd have guessed

And he choked in Game 1 of the playoffs.

Who'd have guessed

I thought Helsley choked. Along with Nado and Goldy

Agreeing with scouty on this one.

[scoutyjones2]

Right handed bat is over rated.
Ruth. Ted Williams. Gehrig. Ken Griffey Jr. Ty Cobb. Bonds.

Hornsby, Foxx, DiMaggio, Aaron, Banks, Mays, Robinson, Clemente, Pujols.

Would be nice to have anyone close to those players.

No. really?

Are you really that stupid?

guess I didn't think there was a need for blue font to indicate sarcasm

[rockondlouie]

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with plenty of veteran leadership.

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with OLI IN THE DUGOUT.

And they won NL Central when he had talent.

Who'd have guessed

And he choked in Game 1 of the playoffs.

Who'd have guessed

I thought Helsley choked. Along with Nado and Goldy

Oli stood there like a deer caught in the headlights watching helplessly as Helsely melted down.

Last I looked it's the Manager's job to see this and make a change before he cost his team a playoff game.

But keep cheerleading for Oli.

It's not cheerleading. Difference of opinion. How many runs did the Cards score? Who else would you have liked to have thrown?

And what did you claim at the time? Or is this more monday morning QB'ing.

It's cheerleader and you've become his Head Cheerleader.

And at the time I was screaming at him for taking out "Q" too early, then for sticking w/Helsey who was hampered by the finger issue that stiffened up in the cold weather as he sat after the 8th inning.

Pick another cause scouty, Oli is a lost cause.

[scoutyjones2]

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with plenty of veteran leadership.

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with OLI IN THE DUGOUT.

And they won NL Central when he had talent.

Who'd have guessed

And he choked in Game 1 of the playoffs.

Who'd have guessed

I thought Helsley choked. Along with Nado and Goldy

Oli stood there like a deer caught in the headlights watching helplessly as Helsely melted down.

Last I looked it's the Manager's job to see this and make a change before he cost his team a playoff game.

But keep cheerleading for Oli.

It's not cheerleading. Difference of opinion. How many runs did the Cards score? Who else would you have liked to have thrown?

And what did you claim at the time? Or is this more monday morning QB'ing.

It's cheerleader and you've become his Head Cheerleader.

And at the time I was screaming at him for taking out "Q" too early, then for sticking w/Helsey who was hampered by the finger issue that stiffened up in the cold weather as he sat after the 8th inning.

Pick another cause scouty, Oli is a lost cause.

I don't favor a manager or hate a manager...I do hate Winn though

And again, who should have come in?

Anyway, closers fail and aren't reliable year over year...

[Strummer Jones]

Honestly, they were never going to win a World Series with Gray, WC, and a declining Arenado.

They needed to get rid of those contracts, get something in return, and get younger. For too long this organization has been trying to win the Wild Card with 85 wins.

I couldn't be happier right now. This should have happened the same off season they signed Lynn and Gibson.

I'll vote for that.

I'm not *happy* that it's come to this, but I am happy that they're FINALLY rolling with it. Long overdue. My only complaint is that our window should just now be opening. But given the likely labor strife coming down the line, maybe it's better this way.

[rockondlouie]

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with plenty of veteran leadership.

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with OLI IN THE DUGOUT.

And they won NL Central when he had talent.

Who'd have guessed

And he choked in Game 1 of the playoffs.

Who'd have guessed

I thought Helsley choked. Along with Nado and Goldy

Oli stood there like a deer caught in the headlights watching helplessly as Helsely melted down.

Last I looked it's the Manager's job to see this and make a change before he cost his team a playoff game.

But keep cheerleading for Oli.

It's not cheerleading. Difference of opinion. How many runs did the Cards score? Who else would you have liked to have thrown?

And what did you claim at the time? Or is this more monday morning QB'ing.

It's cheerleader and you've become his Head Cheerleader.

And at the time I was screaming at him for taking out "Q" too early, then for sticking w/Helsey who was hampered by the finger issue that stiffened up in the cold weather as he sat after the 8th inning.

Pick another cause scouty, Oli is a lost cause.

I don't favor a manager or hate a manager...I do hate Winn though

And again, who should have come in?

Anyway, closers fail and aren't reliable year over year...

WHAT?

You're not on board w/the future Red Jacket wearing, face of the team, soon to be multi time all-star shortstop!

How dare you.

[ecleme22]

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with plenty of veteran leadership.

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with OLI IN THE DUGOUT.

And they won NL Central when he had talent.

Who'd have guessed

Also way above the Pythagorean estimates in both 2024 and 2025.

I don't love Marmol. But he's not the clueless dumpsterfire some on here make him out to be.

[Goldfan]

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with plenty of veteran leadership.

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with OLI IN THE DUGOUT.

And they won NL Central when he had talent.

Who'd have guessed

Also way above the Pythagorean estimates in both 2024 and 2025.

I don't love Marmol. But he's not the clueless dumpsterfire some on here make him out to be.

Name one or 2 things he does well as a manager to win baseball games??? Not yucking it up with the boys…..or telling us how “little Timmy and little Johnny are progressing well with their instruction and we’re seeing signs of improvement every day…….or the boys are really trying hard”

[OldRed]

Honestly, they were never going to win a World Series with Gray, WC, and a declining Arenado.

They needed to get rid of those contracts, get something in return, and get younger. For too long this organization has been trying to win the Wild Card with 85 wins.

I couldn't be happier right now. This should have happened the same off season they signed Lynn and Gibson.

I'll vote for that.

I'm not *happy* that it's come to this, but I am happy that they're FINALLY rolling with it. Long overdue. My only complaint is that our window should just now be opening. But given the likely labor strife coming down the line, maybe it's better this way.

Exactly what I said then and still say it.

[12xu]

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with plenty of veteran leadership.

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with OLI IN THE DUGOUT.

And they won NL Central when he had talent.

Who'd have guessed

And he choked in Game 1 of the playoffs.

Who'd have guessed

I thought Helsley choked. Along with Nado and Goldy

Oli stood there like a deer caught in the headlights watching helplessly as Helsely melted down.

Last I looked it's the Manager's job to see this and make a change before he cost his team a playoff game.

But keep cheerleading for Oli.

It's not cheerleading. Difference of opinion. How many runs did the Cards score? Who else would you have liked to have thrown?

And what did you claim at the time? Or is this more monday morning QB'ing.

It's cheerleader and you've become his Head Cheerleader.

And at the time I was screaming at him for taking out "Q" too early, then for sticking w/Helsey who was hampered by the finger issue that stiffened up in the cold weather as he sat after the 8th inning.

Pick another cause scouty, Oli is a lost cause.

....and his last mistake in that horrid 9th inning, playing the infield in with one out and the bases loaded. The ball Segura hit was a routine inning ending 4-6-3 DP if Edman was just playing halfway back. Cards would have won 2-1.

[rockondlouie]

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with plenty of veteran leadership.

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with OLI IN THE DUGOUT.

And they won NL Central when he had talent.

Who'd have guessed

And he choked in Game 1 of the playoffs.

Who'd have guessed

I thought Helsley choked. Along with Nado and Goldy

Oli stood there like a deer caught in the headlights watching helplessly as Helsely melted down.

Last I looked it's the Manager's job to see this and make a change before he cost his team a playoff game.

But keep cheerleading for Oli.

It's not cheerleading. Difference of opinion. How many runs did the Cards score? Who else would you have liked to have thrown?

And what did you claim at the time? Or is this more monday morning QB'ing.

It's cheerleader and you've become his Head Cheerleader.

And at the time I was screaming at him for taking out "Q" too early, then for sticking w/Helsey who was hampered by the finger issue that stiffened up in the cold weather as he sat after the 8th inning.

Pick another cause scouty, Oli is a lost cause.

....and his last mistake in that horrid 9th inning, playing the infield in with one out and the bases loaded. The ball Segura hit was a routine inning ending 4-6-3 DP if Edman was just playing halfway back. Cards would have won 2-1.

Had he just left "Q" in for one more inning, which would've limited Helsley to just one inning (and he did fine in the 8th) they would've won too.

He's just not a bright manager.

[ecleme22]

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with plenty of veteran leadership.

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with OLI IN THE DUGOUT.

And they won NL Central when he had talent.

Who'd have guessed

Also way above the Pythagorean estimates in both 2024 and 2025.

I don't love Marmol. But he's not the clueless dumpsterfire some on here make him out to be.

Name one or 2 things he does well as a manager to win baseball games??? Not yucking it up with the boys…..or telling us how “little Timmy and little Johnny are progressing well with their instruction and we’re seeing signs of improvement every day…….or the boys are really trying hard”

Bullpen use.

[BrockFloodMaris]

We all know the OF is jumbled with nobody locked in to a spot.
Maybe Noot if 100% healthy.
So while a RH bat would be a plus I can see where the “timing” may not be right at the moment??
Like it or not we need to get “clarity” on pretty much everyone:
Noot? Is it time to move on?
Walker? Make or break season?
Scott? What about his bat?
Church? Who knows?
Herrera? Is he changing positions?
Josh Baez? Can he become a factor after the break?
Unless they know who they are going with I just wonder if adding another to the mix causes problems with PT??

What I’ve heard Bloom say is that he hasn’t turned his phone off, and that he is open to adding a RH OFer. I’m not sure this qualifies as a disagreement. The truth is that the 26th roster spot is not a high priority for either Bloom or Oli right now.

[JaseMan]

Honestly, they were never going to win a World Series with Gray, WC, and a declining Arenado.

They needed to get rid of those contracts, get something in return, and get younger. For too long this organization has been trying to win the Wild Card with 85 wins.

I couldn't be happier right now. This should have happened the same off season they signed Lynn and Gibson.

The problem is that Oli and his coaching staff are still here, and so are Gorman and Walker. That's not an optimistic combo at all.

Suppose we had stopped signing any veterans after 2023, then what? All the existing Vets had NTCs and threatened to exercise them - Nado actually did. And we had zero healthy talent in the minors. And the talent we have brought up has largely gone backwards or stalled out under Oli and co. A couple like I have hope for Winn and JJW, Burlely and Herera are servicable, but a couple others are just bad at hitting, and then Gorman and Walker are lost. Its not enough. And there wasn't a path to get enough from vets with NTCs unless/until they we waited them out for years to convince them to accept trades?

And now that we have traded them all away, the remaining question becomes did we get enough exciting talent to actually move the needle or will this dumping season prove to be another repeat of the 2023 trade deadline where everyone acquired can't stay healthy and we are just "glad" we got the bucket of balls instead of nothing for expiring contracts?

Whether these guys develop into solid producers becomes an exercise in MLB continued development after they matriculate out of the minors. Oli may have "confidence" he's the right guy and they are the right prospects, but he doesn't have a track record of turning anyone into real stars.

All good points, but imagine had they taken a good look and realize the minors were lacking in real depth and traded Goldie when he was coming off his MVP season. Im not saying they should have, but it was clear there was no real direction.

[ilcubuffs]

"Curious who you would replace him with?"

AI