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The whole point is to help the "poor" teams out to compete against the "rich" teams, they should spend that money. And people think a cap is really going to make a difference, all that does is make the owners even more money. Sports really suck. And thats not business, thats welfare.
Professional sports….the player, the owner, the guy selling beer is all about making as much money as possible….alw80 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 17:49 pmThe whole point is to help the "poor" teams out to compete against the "rich" teams, they should spend that money. And people think a cap is really going to make a difference, all that does is make the owners even more money. Sports really suck.
Right, there shouldn't be revenue sharing in the first place. If you don't want to compete then don't compete and people can choose not to spend money at your "business". And fans bend over backwards defending these crooks.45s wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 17:57 pmProfessional sports….the player, the owner, the guy selling beer is all about making as much money as possible….alw80 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 17:49 pmThe whole point is to help the "poor" teams out to compete against the "rich" teams, they should spend that money. And people think a cap is really going to make a difference, all that does is make the owners even more money. Sports really suck.
“Fair” has nothing to do with it..
This is what anyone who follows pro sports signs up for….
So in your opinion "tanking doesn't happen". Is that your opinion because it's easy to find plenty of material about teams tanking. The Cards have already gotten two premium picks and now are aiming for more I guess. That and the CBA is probably a combination of why they're gutting payroll so much.45s wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 17:02 pmThe difference is that a single player can impact a team immediately in the nba or nflCCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 15:32 pmTeams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 06:22 amTanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:45 amOnce again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:24 am Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.
A great hoops player plays and contributes their first season…….cooper Flagg is an example…
A great running back plays immediately in the nfl
The top pick in baseball is usually at least two, three years away……
You really think a team is going to tank to get a shot at a player three years from now?…….
The NBA and NHL probably don't have very strong unions. That would be my guess that there just isn't enough player solidarity at this point. The NFL and MLB do have fairly strong unions and player solidarity. Beyond that I don't really know.Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 16:44 pmWhy do the NBA and NHL have a draft lottery and the NFL and MLB do not?CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 15:32 pmTeams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 06:22 amTanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:45 amOnce again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:24 am Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.
In your opinion, what’s the difference between tanking and rebuilding?CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 20:23 pmSo in your opinion "tanking doesn't happen". Is that your opinion because it's easy to find plenty of material about teams tanking. The Cards have already gotten two premium picks and now are aiming for more I guess. That and the CBA is probably a combination of why they're gutting payroll so much.45s wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 17:02 pmThe difference is that a single player can impact a team immediately in the nba or nflCCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 15:32 pmTeams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 06:22 amTanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:45 amOnce again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:24 am Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.
A great hoops player plays and contributes their first season…….cooper Flagg is an example…
A great running back plays immediately in the nfl
The top pick in baseball is usually at least two, three years away……
You really think a team is going to tank to get a shot at a player three years from now?…….
Because MLB and NFL teams don't tank for draft picks. Class dismissed.CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 20:26 pmThe NBA and NHL probably don't have very strong unions. That would be my guess that there just isn't enough player solidarity at this point. The NFL and MLB do have fairly strong unions and player solidarity. Beyond that I don't really know.Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 16:44 pmWhy do the NBA and NHL have a draft lottery and the NFL and MLB do not?CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 15:32 pmTeams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 06:22 amTanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:45 amOnce again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:24 am Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.
Except MLB is one big business. Certain markets make way less money than other markets. Would you agree with that?alw80 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 18:04 pmRight, there shouldn't be revenue sharing in the first place. If you don't want to compete then don't compete and people can choose not to spend money at your "business". And fans bend over backwards defending these crooks.45s wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 17:57 pmProfessional sports….the player, the owner, the guy selling beer is all about making as much money as possible….alw80 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 17:49 pmThe whole point is to help the "poor" teams out to compete against the "rich" teams, they should spend that money. And people think a cap is really going to make a difference, all that does is make the owners even more money. Sports really suck.
“Fair” has nothing to do with it..
This is what anyone who follows pro sports signs up for….
Not going to argue with you. There's plenty of articles discussing tanking in baseball. If you can figure out how to use Google then you can easily find them. Class dismissed.Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 00:15 amBecause MLB and NFL teams don't tank for draft picks. Class dismissed.CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 20:26 pmThe NBA and NHL probably don't have very strong unions. That would be my guess that there just isn't enough player solidarity at this point. The NFL and MLB do have fairly strong unions and player solidarity. Beyond that I don't really know.Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 16:44 pmWhy do the NBA and NHL have a draft lottery and the NFL and MLB do not?CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 15:32 pmTeams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 06:22 amTanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:45 amOnce again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:24 am Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.
IMO, every team in baseball rebuilds every year to some extent. Even the Dodgers rebuilt some. Tanking on the other hand is not giving your best effort to field a competitive team in preparation for losing a large amount of games. In essence, intentionally fielding a bad team without care of winning. The Cards could have brought up some young guys while still signing some veteran top tier talent and competed for the Central. They've chosen not to. Gutting payroll will have the intended effect most likely, barring some kind of miracle where multiple minor league players show up as stars and untested, unproven pitchers become some cohesive dominant rotation. Not likely.ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 21:18 pmIn your opinion, what’s the difference between tanking and rebuilding?CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 20:23 pmSo in your opinion "tanking doesn't happen". Is that your opinion because it's easy to find plenty of material about teams tanking. The Cards have already gotten two premium picks and now are aiming for more I guess. That and the CBA is probably a combination of why they're gutting payroll so much.45s wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 17:02 pmThe difference is that a single player can impact a team immediately in the nba or nflCCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 15:32 pmTeams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 06:22 amTanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:45 amOnce again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:24 am Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.
A great hoops player plays and contributes their first season…….cooper Flagg is an example…
A great running back plays immediately in the nfl
The top pick in baseball is usually at least two, three years away……
You really think a team is going to tank to get a shot at a player three years from now?…….
I think you’re asking too much. Not a cohesive dominant rotation, but maybe one Ace. Same for the infielders. One will emerge, hopefully at third.CCard wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 04:01 amIMO, every team in baseball rebuilds every year to some extent. Even the Dodgers rebuilt some. Tanking on the other hand is not giving your best effort to field a competitive team in preparation for losing a large amount of games. In essence, intentionally fielding a bad team without care of winning. The Cards could have brought up some young guys while still signing some veteran top tier talent and competed for the Central. They've chosen not to. Gutting payroll will have the intended effect most likely, barring some kind of miracle where multiple minor league players show up as stars and untested, unproven pitchers become some cohesive dominant rotation. Not likely.ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 21:18 pmIn your opinion, what’s the difference between tanking and rebuilding?CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 20:23 pmSo in your opinion "tanking doesn't happen". Is that your opinion because it's easy to find plenty of material about teams tanking. The Cards have already gotten two premium picks and now are aiming for more I guess. That and the CBA is probably a combination of why they're gutting payroll so much.45s wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 17:02 pmThe difference is that a single player can impact a team immediately in the nba or nflCCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 15:32 pmTeams that lose have a higher chance to pick in the draft. It's a fact. That's how the Cards got JJ and LIam. There is a lottery system in the NBA also.ecleme22 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 06:22 amTanking usually implies a better draft slot. The NBA is notorious for it. NFL to a lesser extent.CCard wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:45 amOnce again, it's the same thing. Tanking is the deliberate losing that some teams do for various reasons but mostly because they're cheap. You might be the only person in the world to say that tanking isn't a thing in baseball. Check google or the internet anywhere that baseball is a topic and you'll find out how wrong you are.Jeff Goldblum wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 05:24 am Once again, tanking in baseball isn't a thing. MLB draft is completely different from the other 3 sports.
A great hoops player plays and contributes their first season…….cooper Flagg is an example…
A great running back plays immediately in the nfl
The top pick in baseball is usually at least two, three years away……
You really think a team is going to tank to get a shot at a player three years from now?…….
Based on what you are writing, I have no confidence in the viability of the league.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 05:46 am The simple truth is that, without a significant change to the MLB environment - a salary cap/floor, more revenue sharing between teams, etc. - there are going to be a lot of teams, maybe half the league, that are going to make hard choices between (1) competing and (2) economics every year.
Fans can sit back and claim that all the owners should be rich enough to not care about economics, to not care about negative, annual cash flow as long as the value of their team is (presumably) increasing, etc., but the reality is that these owners did not become billionaires by thinking that way and you aren't going to find 30 owners who are interested in owning teams and running them like Steve Cohen.
Whether you call it "tanking" or fiscally responsible restraint in a year when a team knows it can't compete with the Dodgers, Yankees, Phillies, etc. anyway, given the current structure of baseball economics, many small market teams and an increasing number of mid-market teams are going to have to make hard choices about timing their windows of when to go all-in to "win now" and when to make decisions to back off ("tank", if that's what you call it) and conserve resources.
You both write about the ugly truth of the game. There must be a solution. If this stance is taken, find a solution, then the CBA could be a long term event.Bully4you wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 05:56 amBased on what you are writing, I have no confidence in the viability of the league.mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 05:46 am The simple truth is that, without a significant change to the MLB environment - a salary cap/floor, more revenue sharing between teams, etc. - there are going to be a lot of teams, maybe half the league, that are going to make hard choices between (1) competing and (2) economics every year.
Fans can sit back and claim that all the owners should be rich enough to not care about economics, to not care about negative, annual cash flow as long as the value of their team is (presumably) increasing, etc., but the reality is that these owners did not become billionaires by thinking that way and you aren't going to find 30 owners who are interested in owning teams and running them like Steve Cohen.
Whether you call it "tanking" or fiscally responsible restraint in a year when a team knows it can't compete with the Dodgers, Yankees, Phillies, etc. anyway, given the current structure of baseball economics, many small market teams and an increasing number of mid-market teams are going to have to make hard choices about timing their windows of when to go all-in to "win now" and when to make decisions to back off ("tank", if that's what you call it) and conserve resources.
Basically, maybe 10 (and I am being generous) teams could compete in this environment.
The other 20 will have very little chance of being a WS competitor.
And that is boring and won't make the league any popular going forward.
Pocketing revenue sharing and then arguing for a salary cap so they can make even more money is crook behavior to me. If you're unwilling to compete thats fine but you shouldn't get welfare for that. Sell the team if you don't like it.Cardinals1964 wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 00:28 amExcept MLB is one big business. Certain markets make way less money than other markets. Would you agree with that?alw80 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 18:04 pmRight, there shouldn't be revenue sharing in the first place. If you don't want to compete then don't compete and people can choose not to spend money at your "business". And fans bend over backwards defending these crooks.45s wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 17:57 pmProfessional sports….the player, the owner, the guy selling beer is all about making as much money as possible….alw80 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2026 17:49 pmThe whole point is to help the "poor" teams out to compete against the "rich" teams, they should spend that money. And people think a cap is really going to make a difference, all that does is make the owners even more money. Sports really suck.
“Fair” has nothing to do with it..
This is what anyone who follows pro sports signs up for….
How are they crooks? Why do you care? Choose not to spend your money or follow them if you are that unhappy. Pretty simple.