ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 12:29 pm
If I was an owner I'd put a clause causing a player to not get paid for time missed due to an injury in the WBC. That time missed should also not count as service time. If players want to participate they assume the risk.
You DO realize the WBC is sponsored by MLB, which, just happens to made up of said owners, don’t you? It’s a money maker for MLB.
The Mets lost their closer for the season in the WBC. I'd prefer not to see our players get injured and miss time with the Cardinals just so MLB can make an average of $3 million per team.
If they want to play in it with those stipulations in their contract then go ahead.
Neither the owners or MLBPA would allow such clauses. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of the WBC for the very reasons you suggest. They’re no less exhibitions than the All-Star Game, yet the owners are willing to risk injuries and the disruption of spring training.
After further reading the players do have to pass a physical and be insured so that if they are injured the team recoups salary. I'd add to that a freeze of service time.
What's wrong with Herrera that he can't get insurance? Arm not healed?
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 12:29 pm
If I was an owner I'd put a clause causing a player to not get paid for time missed due to an injury in the WBC. That time missed should also not count as service time. If players want to participate they assume the risk.
You DO realize the WBC is sponsored by MLB, which, just happens to made up of said owners, don’t you? It’s a money maker for MLB.
The Mets lost their closer for the season in the WBC. I'd prefer not to see our players get injured and miss time with the Cardinals just so MLB can make an average of $3 million per team.
If they want to play in it with those stipulations in their contract then go ahead.
Neither the owners or MLBPA would allow such clauses. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of the WBC for the very reasons you suggest. They’re no less exhibitions than the All-Star Game, yet the owners are willing to risk injuries and the disruption of spring training.
After further reading the players do have to pass a physical and be insured so that if they are injured the team recoups salary. I'd add to that a freeze of service time.
What's wrong with Herrera that he can't get insurance? Arm not healed?
Pretty much anyone who had surgery in the last 6-9 months has been declined insurance.
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 12:29 pm
If I was an owner I'd put a clause causing a player to not get paid for time missed due to an injury in the WBC. That time missed should also not count as service time. If players want to participate they assume the risk.
You DO realize the WBC is sponsored by MLB, which, just happens to made up of said owners, don’t you? It’s a money maker for MLB.
The Mets lost their closer for the season in the WBC. I'd prefer not to see our players get injured and miss time with the Cardinals just so MLB can make an average of $3 million per team.
If they want to play in it with those stipulations in their contract then go ahead.
Neither the owners or MLBPA would allow such clauses. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of the WBC for the very reasons you suggest. They’re no less exhibitions than the All-Star Game, yet the owners are willing to risk injuries and the disruption of spring training.
After further reading the players do have to pass a physical and be insured so that if they are injured the team recoups salary. I'd add to that a freeze of service time.
What's wrong with Herrera that he can't get insurance? Arm not healed?
He had elbow surgery 4 months ago. You don’t know why an insurance company might deem that an elevated risk?
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 12:29 pm
If I was an owner I'd put a clause causing a player to not get paid for time missed due to an injury in the WBC. That time missed should also not count as service time. If players want to participate they assume the risk.
You DO realize the WBC is sponsored by MLB, which, just happens to made up of said owners, don’t you? It’s a money maker for MLB.
The Mets lost their closer for the season in the WBC. I'd prefer not to see our players get injured and miss time with the Cardinals just so MLB can make an average of $3 million per team.
If they want to play in it with those stipulations in their contract then go ahead.
Neither the owners or MLBPA would allow such clauses. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of the WBC for the very reasons you suggest. They’re no less exhibitions than the All-Star Game, yet the owners are willing to risk injuries and the disruption of spring training.
After further reading the players do have to pass a physical and be insured so that if they are injured the team recoups salary. I'd add to that a freeze of service time.
What's wrong with Herrera that he can't get insurance? Arm not healed?
He had elbow surgery 4 months ago. You don’t know why an insurance company might deem that an elevated risk?
I do but why is he wanting to play in the WBC with that risk?
rage-STL wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 11:12 am
This bodes well for his intentions to be the primary catcher this season. I like the WBC and enjoy watching it, but Herrera is best served in camp, working with the pitchers and staying on track for a healthy start to the season.
Derrick Goold | Post-Dispatch
Insurance has become a “roadblock,” the Cardinals learned Thursday.
Herrera does not expect to leave Cardinals camp and compete for Team Panama in the WBC after it became difficult for him to secure the insurance necessary because of elbow surgery he had this past offseason.
“It’s just sad, a sad thing that I’m not able to help my country,” Herrera said Thursday afternoon. “I was really looking forward to it. There are so many things out of my control. I cannot do anything about the insurance. I tried to do everything I could to be there for the team. I fought hard.”
not much help for Panama, but we should just send Yadi to the WBC instead. He wouldn't be missing anything and is still a better C than some countries can produce.
Yadi will be there! He’s managing the Puerto Rico squad.
I thought molina was special assistant to bloom…..shouldn’t he be in cards camp assisting?
Candy, you are nothing if not utterly predictable.
That’s not an answer
So do know why molina is not in the cards camp?
Probably the same reason Skenes and Judge won’t be in the Pirates and Yankees camps.
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 12:29 pm
If I was an owner I'd put a clause causing a player to not get paid for time missed due to an injury in the WBC. That time missed should also not count as service time. If players want to participate they assume the risk.
You DO realize the WBC is sponsored by MLB, which, just happens to made up of said owners, don’t you? It’s a money maker for MLB.
The Mets lost their closer for the season in the WBC. I'd prefer not to see our players get injured and miss time with the Cardinals just so MLB can make an average of $3 million per team.
If they want to play in it with those stipulations in their contract then go ahead.
Neither the owners or MLBPA would allow such clauses. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of the WBC for the very reasons you suggest. They’re no less exhibitions than the All-Star Game, yet the owners are willing to risk injuries and the disruption of spring training.
After further reading the players do have to pass a physical and be insured so that if they are injured the team recoups salary. I'd add to that a freeze of service time.
What's wrong with Herrera that he can't get insurance? Arm not healed?
He had elbow surgery 4 months ago. You don’t know why an insurance company might deem that an elevated risk?
I do but why is he wanting to play in the WBC with that risk?
Are you serious? Insurance would’ve took away the risk. No insurance, he negates the risk by not playing in it. It’s pretty simple even for the dumbest people.
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 12:29 pm
If I was an owner I'd put a clause causing a player to not get paid for time missed due to an injury in the WBC. That time missed should also not count as service time. If players want to participate they assume the risk.
you're just as likely to get hurt in spring training though. you're still playing the same game baseball that you always do. i don't understand why people think that suddenly playing it for a national team ups the injury risk 1000%
It doesn't increase the risk by 1000%, but it does indeed increase the risk of injury over ST. In ST there isn't the pressure to perform as much or as quickly as there is in the WBC. The extra competitive nature of the tourney that early before the player has a chance to fully get his body ready is the increase in the chance of injury.
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 12:29 pm
If I was an owner I'd put a clause causing a player to not get paid for time missed due to an injury in the WBC. That time missed should also not count as service time. If players want to participate they assume the risk.
You DO realize the WBC is sponsored by MLB, which, just happens to made up of said owners, don’t you? It’s a money maker for MLB.
The Mets lost their closer for the season in the WBC. I'd prefer not to see our players get injured and miss time with the Cardinals just so MLB can make an average of $3 million per team.
If they want to play in it with those stipulations in their contract then go ahead.
Neither the owners or MLBPA would allow such clauses. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of the WBC for the very reasons you suggest. They’re no less exhibitions than the All-Star Game, yet the owners are willing to risk injuries and the disruption of spring training.
After further reading the players do have to pass a physical and be insured so that if they are injured the team recoups salary. I'd add to that a freeze of service time.
What's wrong with Herrera that he can't get insurance? Arm not healed?
He had elbow surgery 4 months ago. You don’t know why an insurance company might deem that an elevated risk?
I do but why is he wanting to play in the WBC with that risk?
Are you serious? Insurance would’ve took away the risk. No insurance, he negates the risk by not playing in it. It’s pretty simple even for the dumbest people.
It might have taken away the financial risk, but not the injury/availability risk.
That being said, it’s well known players don’t get the same amount of work/reps in WBC camps as they do in ST. Herrera needs all the work/reps that he can get.
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 12:29 pm
If I was an owner I'd put a clause causing a player to not get paid for time missed due to an injury in the WBC. That time missed should also not count as service time. If players want to participate they assume the risk.
You DO realize the WBC is sponsored by MLB, which, just happens to made up of said owners, don’t you? It’s a money maker for MLB.
The Mets lost their closer for the season in the WBC. I'd prefer not to see our players get injured and miss time with the Cardinals just so MLB can make an average of $3 million per team.
If they want to play in it with those stipulations in their contract then go ahead.
Neither the owners or MLBPA would allow such clauses. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of the WBC for the very reasons you suggest. They’re no less exhibitions than the All-Star Game, yet the owners are willing to risk injuries and the disruption of spring training.
After further reading the players do have to pass a physical and be insured so that if they are injured the team recoups salary. I'd add to that a freeze of service time.
What's wrong with Herrera that he can't get insurance? Arm not healed?
He had elbow surgery 4 months ago. You don’t know why an insurance company might deem that an elevated risk?
I do but why is he wanting to play in the WBC with that risk?
Are you serious? Insurance would’ve took away the risk. No insurance, he negates the risk by not playing in it. It’s pretty simple even for the dumbest people.
It might have taken away the financial risk, but not the injury/availability risk.
That being said, it’s well known players don’t get the same amount of work/reps in WBC camps as they do in ST. Herrera needs all the work/reps that he can get.
More reps could mean more chance of injury, but that’s not the discussion. It was about insurance.
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 12:29 pm
If I was an owner I'd put a clause causing a player to not get paid for time missed due to an injury in the WBC. That time missed should also not count as service time. If players want to participate they assume the risk.
You DO realize the WBC is sponsored by MLB, which, just happens to made up of said owners, don’t you? It’s a money maker for MLB.
The Mets lost their closer for the season in the WBC. I'd prefer not to see our players get injured and miss time with the Cardinals just so MLB can make an average of $3 million per team.
If they want to play in it with those stipulations in their contract then go ahead.
Neither the owners or MLBPA would allow such clauses. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of the WBC for the very reasons you suggest. They’re no less exhibitions than the All-Star Game, yet the owners are willing to risk injuries and the disruption of spring training.
After further reading the players do have to pass a physical and be insured so that if they are injured the team recoups salary. I'd add to that a freeze of service time.
What's wrong with Herrera that he can't get insurance? Arm not healed?
He had elbow surgery 4 months ago. You don’t know why an insurance company might deem that an elevated risk?
I do but why is he wanting to play in the WBC with that risk?
Are you serious? Insurance would’ve took away the risk. No insurance, he negates the risk by not playing in it. It’s pretty simple even for the dumbest people.
Apparently not. He risks playing with surgery that hasn't healed and therefore missing Cardinals games. Is his loyalty to the Cardinals who are paying him or to the WBC? simple question.
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 12:29 pm
If I was an owner I'd put a clause causing a player to not get paid for time missed due to an injury in the WBC. That time missed should also not count as service time. If players want to participate they assume the risk.
You DO realize the WBC is sponsored by MLB, which, just happens to made up of said owners, don’t you? It’s a money maker for MLB.
The Mets lost their closer for the season in the WBC. I'd prefer not to see our players get injured and miss time with the Cardinals just so MLB can make an average of $3 million per team.
If they want to play in it with those stipulations in their contract then go ahead.
Neither the owners or MLBPA would allow such clauses. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of the WBC for the very reasons you suggest. They’re no less exhibitions than the All-Star Game, yet the owners are willing to risk injuries and the disruption of spring training.
After further reading the players do have to pass a physical and be insured so that if they are injured the team recoups salary. I'd add to that a freeze of service time.
What's wrong with Herrera that he can't get insurance? Arm not healed?
He had elbow surgery 4 months ago. You don’t know why an insurance company might deem that an elevated risk?
I do but why is he wanting to play in the WBC with that risk?
Are you serious? Insurance would’ve took away the risk. No insurance, he negates the risk by not playing in it. It’s pretty simple even for the dumbest people.
Apparently not. He risks playing with surgery that hasn't healed and therefore missing Cardinals games. Is his loyalty to the Cardinals who are paying him or to the WBC? simple question.
Are you really this obtuse? The Cardinals, and the rest MLB, ARE the WBC. To be loyal to the WBC, IS to be loyal to the Cardinals. The WBC is not separate from MLB. It was CREATED by and is RUN by MLB. It’s not like the Olympics. They’re not going to create something to promote baseball then try and discourage their players from participating. The WBC is the ONE thing that MLB, the MLBPA, and most fans agree on. I agree with you about the risk factor. I also think a player needs to be at ST, but you’re not going to see MLB or the MLBPA agree to the nuttiness you propose.
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 12:29 pm
If I was an owner I'd put a clause causing a player to not get paid for time missed due to an injury in the WBC. That time missed should also not count as service time. If players want to participate they assume the risk.
youre just as likely to get hurt in spring training though. youre still playing the same game baseball that you akways do. i dont understamd why peopme think that suddenly playing it for a national team ups the injury risk 1000%
Mets closer missed a season because of WBC. Where did you come up with 1000%?
and pitchers get injured during spring training. he could have easily been injured and missed season in soring. or at first week of season get injured. makes no sense to blane wbx. its not like its making them do anything essentially more risky.
the only argument i can stand against it is it is nice to have yozr outchers working on certain putches in soring or your catchers building chemistry with the pitchers.
but the injury stuff is rubbish and random. There could be other putchers that stay healthy inwbc that would have gotten injured in soribg if thwy didnt go to wbc
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 12:29 pm
If I was an owner I'd put a clause causing a player to not get paid for time missed due to an injury in the WBC. That time missed should also not count as service time. If players want to participate they assume the risk.
You DO realize the WBC is sponsored by MLB, which, just happens to made up of said owners, don’t you? It’s a money maker for MLB.
The Mets lost their closer for the season in the WBC. I'd prefer not to see our players get injured and miss time with the Cardinals just so MLB can make an average of $3 million per team.
If they want to play in it with those stipulations in their contract then go ahead.
Neither the owners or MLBPA would allow such clauses. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of the WBC for the very reasons you suggest. They’re no less exhibitions than the All-Star Game, yet the owners are willing to risk injuries and the disruption of spring training.
After further reading the players do have to pass a physical and be insured so that if they are injured the team recoups salary. I'd add to that a freeze of service time.
What's wrong with Herrera that he can't get insurance? Arm not healed?
He had elbow surgery 4 months ago. You don’t know why an insurance company might deem that an elevated risk?
I do but why is he wanting to play in the WBC with that risk?
Are you serious? Insurance would’ve took away the risk. No insurance, he negates the risk by not playing in it. It’s pretty simple even for the dumbest people.
Apparently not. He risks playing with surgery that hasn't healed and therefore missing Cardinals games. Is his loyalty to the Cardinals who are paying him or to the WBC? simple question.
Are you really this obtuse? The Cardinals, and the rest MLB, ARE the WBC. To be loyal to the WBC, IS to be loyal to the Cardinals. The WBC is not separate from MLB. It was CREATED by and is RUN by MLB. It’s not like the Olympics. They’re not going to create something to promote baseball then try and discourage their players from participating. The WBC is the ONE thing that MLB, the MLBPA, and most fans agree on. I agree with you about the risk factor. I also think a player needs to be at ST, but you’re not going to see MLB or the MLBPA agree to the nuttiness you propose.
LOL. The Cardinals play 162 games. None of them are WBC.
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 12:29 pm
If I was an owner I'd put a clause causing a player to not get paid for time missed due to an injury in the WBC. That time missed should also not count as service time. If players want to participate they assume the risk.
youre just as likely to get hurt in spring training though. youre still playing the same game baseball that you akways do. i dont understamd why peopme think that suddenly playing it for a national team ups the injury risk 1000%
Mets closer missed a season because of WBC. Where did you come up with 1000%?
and pitchers get injured during spring training. he could have easily been injured and missed season in soring. or at first week of season get injured. makes no sense to blane wbx. its not like its making them do anything essentially more risky.
the only argument i can stand against it is it is nice to have yozr outchers working on certain putches in soring or your catchers building chemistry with the pitchers.
but the injury stuff is rubbish and random. There could be other putchers that stay healthy inwbc that would have gotten injured in soribg if thwy didnt go to wbc
That's fine. They can play in the WBC then but if I was running things any time missed due to injury incurred during the WBC would not count toward service time. I would also insist not just on insurance for injured players but damages in the form of a percentage of the salary.
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Feb 2026 12:29 pm
If I was an owner I'd put a clause causing a player to not get paid for time missed due to an injury in the WBC. That time missed should also not count as service time. If players want to participate they assume the risk.
youre just as likely to get hurt in spring training though. youre still playing the same game baseball that you akways do. i dont understamd why peopme think that suddenly playing it for a national team ups the injury risk 1000%
Mets closer missed a season because of WBC. Where did you come up with 1000%?
and pitchers get injured during spring training. he could have easily been injured and missed season in soring. or at first week of season get injured. makes no sense to blane wbx. its not like its making them do anything essentially more risky.
the only argument i can stand against it is it is nice to have yozr outchers working on certain putches in soring or your catchers building chemistry with the pitchers.
but the injury stuff is rubbish and random. There could be other putchers that stay healthy inwbc that would have gotten injured in soribg if thwy didnt go to wbc
That's fine. They can play in the WBC then but if I was running things any time missed due to injury incurred during the WBC would not count toward service time. I would also insist not just on insurance for injured players but damages in the form of a percentage of the salary.
Ok. You’ve convinced me. You really ARE that obtuse.
