Picks Three and Four

[Bluesfan1978]

I think it depends on whether thy make any moves at the TDL, acquire any more 1st round picks, or acquire other players. For example, if they acquired Shane Wright, they might be less inclined to stretch for a center like Lawrence or Malhotra at 3 or 4.

With that said, my guess is one of the two Dmen you mentioned or Lawrence/Malhotra. My personal order, which will differ from others is:

Reid
Malhotra
Belchetz
Lawrence
Verhoeff
Carels

TBF what's your take on any of those players getting on the big ice their first year?

Probably a better question for Kimzey or Pierre. Personally, I don't see any of them making the NHL in their draft year. Outside of the top 2 picks that everyone think have that chance.

Likely not other than maybe a couple of 9 game tryouts. There will be somebody though that breaks through that you don’t expect like Ben Kindel did this year.
I wouldn’t count Carels out…really depends on the team but his poise, skating and confidence level is NHL ready for sure.
Verhoeff is physically ready but his hockey IQ is behind Carels and Reid. Reid is good..doubt his defense is ready for the NHL. All three of these guys are for sure on opening night rosters in 2027. I think Carels is quite a bit ahead of them as an overall package right now.

What options does verheoff have if ge gets a trial and doesnt stick? Not sure how it eorks since he played ncaa this year. Is he not too young fir the AHL?

If signs a nhl contract he can’t go back to college so he would have to get sent to the ahl. There isn’t a special deal between the ncaa and the nhl like there is between the nhl and the chl. At least as far as I know.

I thought there was a age restriction which was one reason carbo couldnt go to the ahl. I could be completely off base.

Thats the agreement between the nhl and the chl. I believe any chl player under 20 goes back to juniors instead of the ahl if they don’t make the nhl. The ncaa doesn’t have such an agreement. And signing a nhl contract voids ncaa eligibility.

Or that CHL player can choose to play NCAA instead of going back to the CHL….provided they haven’t signed a pro contract

I only seen Belchetz play one game and it was against Branford. He reminded me of Logan Brown. Maybe he was injured or not 100% but he just didn’t do anything that game that resembles a top 10 pick. On the other hand Mahotra I would hands down pick before Belchetz. Again this is based on that one game.

[Pierre McGuire]

I think it depends on whether thy make any moves at the TDL, acquire any more 1st round picks, or acquire other players. For example, if they acquired Shane Wright, they might be less inclined to stretch for a center like Lawrence or Malhotra at 3 or 4.

With that said, my guess is one of the two Dmen you mentioned or Lawrence/Malhotra. My personal order, which will differ from others is:

Reid
Malhotra
Belchetz
Lawrence
Verhoeff
Carels

TBF what's your take on any of those players getting on the big ice their first year?

Probably a better question for Kimzey or Pierre. Personally, I don't see any of them making the NHL in their draft year. Outside of the top 2 picks that everyone think have that chance.

Likely not other than maybe a couple of 9 game tryouts. There will be somebody though that breaks through that you don’t expect like Ben Kindel did this year.
I wouldn’t count Carels out…really depends on the team but his poise, skating and confidence level is NHL ready for sure.
Verhoeff is physically ready but his hockey IQ is behind Carels and Reid. Reid is good..doubt his defense is ready for the NHL. All three of these guys are for sure on opening night rosters in 2027. I think Carels is quite a bit ahead of them as an overall package right now.

What options does verheoff have if ge gets a trial and doesnt stick? Not sure how it eorks since he played ncaa this year. Is he not too young fir the AHL?

If signs a nhl contract he can’t go back to college so he would have to get sent to the ahl. There isn’t a special deal between the ncaa and the nhl like there is between the nhl and the chl. At least as far as I know.

I thought there was a age restriction which was one reason carbo couldnt go to the ahl. I could be completely off base.

Thats the agreement between the nhl and the chl. I believe any chl player under 20 goes back to juniors instead of the ahl if they don’t make the nhl. The ncaa doesn’t have such an agreement. And signing a nhl contract voids ncaa eligibility.

Or that CHL player can choose to play NCAA instead of going back to the CHL….provided they haven’t signed a pro contract

I only seen Belchetz play one game and it was against Branford. He reminded me of Logan Brown. Maybe he was injured or not 100% but he just didn’t do anything that game that resembles a top 10 pick. On the other hand Mahotra I would hands down pick before Belchetz. Again this is based on that one game.

Belchetz will likely go in the 8-13 range. I actually have Daxon Rudolph ahead of him now on my rankings. I’d love to have Belchetz but we would need another high pick..which probablu won’t happen and he won’t be available for a mid round pick. Malhotra is a gamer, I’m just not sure he’s a top 2 center in the NHL and I’d hate to spend pick 3-8 on a guy that might only be a 3rd line center. If we are in that range, I think we are going dman.

[Bluesfan1978]

I think it depends on whether thy make any moves at the TDL, acquire any more 1st round picks, or acquire other players. For example, if they acquired Shane Wright, they might be less inclined to stretch for a center like Lawrence or Malhotra at 3 or 4.

With that said, my guess is one of the two Dmen you mentioned or Lawrence/Malhotra. My personal order, which will differ from others is:

Reid
Malhotra
Belchetz
Lawrence
Verhoeff
Carels

TBF what's your take on any of those players getting on the big ice their first year?

Probably a better question for Kimzey or Pierre. Personally, I don't see any of them making the NHL in their draft year. Outside of the top 2 picks that everyone think have that chance.

Likely not other than maybe a couple of 9 game tryouts. There will be somebody though that breaks through that you don’t expect like Ben Kindel did this year.
I wouldn’t count Carels out…really depends on the team but his poise, skating and confidence level is NHL ready for sure.
Verhoeff is physically ready but his hockey IQ is behind Carels and Reid. Reid is good..doubt his defense is ready for the NHL. All three of these guys are for sure on opening night rosters in 2027. I think Carels is quite a bit ahead of them as an overall package right now.

What options does verheoff have if ge gets a trial and doesnt stick? Not sure how it eorks since he played ncaa this year. Is he not too young fir the AHL?

If signs a nhl contract he can’t go back to college so he would have to get sent to the ahl. There isn’t a special deal between the ncaa and the nhl like there is between the nhl and the chl. At least as far as I know.

I thought there was a age restriction which was one reason carbo couldnt go to the ahl. I could be completely off base.

Thats the agreement between the nhl and the chl. I believe any chl player under 20 goes back to juniors instead of the ahl if they don’t make the nhl. The ncaa doesn’t have such an agreement. And signing a nhl contract voids ncaa eligibility.

Or that CHL player can choose to play NCAA instead of going back to the CHL….provided they haven’t signed a pro contract

I only seen Belchetz play one game and it was against Branford. He reminded me of Logan Brown. Maybe he was injured or not 100% but he just didn’t do anything that game that resembles a top 10 pick. On the other hand Mahotra I would hands down pick before Belchetz. Again this is based on that one game.

Belchetz will likely go in the 8-13 range. I actually have Daxon Rudolph ahead of him now on my rankings. I’d love to have Belchetz but we would need another high pick..which probablu won’t happen and he won’t be available for a mid round pick. Malhotra is a gamer, I’m just not sure he’s a top 2 center in the NHL and I’d hate to spend pick 3-8 on a guy that might only be a 3rd line center. If we are in that range, I think we are going dman.

I think I they will pick a D as well if they are 3-6. Another poster mentioned trading back from 1 or 2. I definitely think the Blues would explore that. 1-2 positions at the start of the draft would gain another 1st round pick or more. If I’m picking 3-5 Reid is the front runner for me. RHD trumping LHD.

[zuck698]

Curious what people think of trading back if we're at 3 to somewhere around 6-7. 1) What could we get for moving back? Can't recall a trade where someone moved up 3-4 spots at the top of the draft and what they paid for it. 2)And is that payment worth sliding back and still picking up a player like Malhorta or one of D men that slide to that spot?

Normally id be fine trading back, assuming we got a nice little haul to, and if the draft sucked at the top, but the Blues have shown us unequivocally that they’re in desperate need for difference makers, so Im keeping the pick and drafting hopefully our first superstar in ages.

is there a superstar in this draft?

McKenna is very Patrick Kane like and will likely be considered a superstar in the NHL.

Any current NHL comparisons for Ivan?

[The Average Gatsby]

Curious what people think of trading back if we're at 3 to somewhere around 6-7. 1) What could we get for moving back? Can't recall a trade where someone moved up 3-4 spots at the top of the draft and what they paid for it. 2)And is that payment worth sliding back and still picking up a player like Malhorta or one of D men that slide to that spot?

Normally id be fine trading back, assuming we got a nice little haul to, and if the draft sucked at the top, but the Blues have shown us unequivocally that they’re in desperate need for difference makers, so Im keeping the pick and drafting hopefully our first superstar in ages.

is there a superstar in this draft?

McKenna is very Patrick Kane like and will likely be considered a superstar in the NHL.

Any current NHL comparisons for Ivan?

The athletic compared him to Clayton Keller. Not sure how accurate that is.

[theograce]

Curious what people think of trading back if we're at 3 to somewhere around 6-7. 1) What could we get for moving back? Can't recall a trade where someone moved up 3-4 spots at the top of the draft and what they paid for it. 2)And is that payment worth sliding back and still picking up a player like Malhorta or one of D men that slide to that spot?

Normally id be fine trading back, assuming we got a nice little haul to, and if the draft sucked at the top, but the Blues have shown us unequivocally that they’re in desperate need for difference makers, so Im keeping the pick and drafting hopefully our first superstar in ages.

is there a superstar in this draft?

McKenna is very Patrick Kane like and will likely be considered a superstar in the NHL.

Any current NHL comparisons for Ivan?

The athletic compared him to Clayton Keller. Not sure how accurate that is.

I’ve heard Barkov comparisons but wing thrown out there

[zuck698]

Curious what people think of trading back if we're at 3 to somewhere around 6-7. 1) What could we get for moving back? Can't recall a trade where someone moved up 3-4 spots at the top of the draft and what they paid for it. 2)And is that payment worth sliding back and still picking up a player like Malhorta or one of D men that slide to that spot?

Normally id be fine trading back, assuming we got a nice little haul to, and if the draft sucked at the top, but the Blues have shown us unequivocally that they’re in desperate need for difference makers, so Im keeping the pick and drafting hopefully our first superstar in ages.

is there a superstar in this draft?

McKenna is very Patrick Kane like and will likely be considered a superstar in the NHL.

Any current NHL comparisons for Ivan?

The athletic compared him to Clayton Keller. Not sure how accurate that is.

I’ve heard Barkov comparisons but wing thrown out there

I would take either Barkov or Keller.

[Pierre McGuire]

I don’t see Barkov at all, I’ve seen the Keller and Lucas Raymond comparisons. Some people say Markus Naslund.

[theograce]

I don’t see Barkov at all, I’ve seen the Keller and Lucas Raymond comparisons. Some people say Markus Naslund.

Guys were saying Barkov because he attacks all three zones like him. I’ve seen very little of him so I’ll take your word on it

[kimzey59]

Curious what people think of trading back if we're at 3 to somewhere around 6-7. 1) What could we get for moving back? Can't recall a trade where someone moved up 3-4 spots at the top of the draft and what they paid for it. 2)And is that payment worth sliding back and still picking up a player like Malhorta or one of D men that slide to that spot?

Normally id be fine trading back, assuming we got a nice little haul to, and if the draft sucked at the top, but the Blues have shown us unequivocally that they’re in desperate need for difference makers, so Im keeping the pick and drafting hopefully our first superstar in ages.

is there a superstar in this draft?

McKenna is very Patrick Kane like and will likely be considered a superstar in the NHL.

Any current NHL comparisons for Ivan?

The athletic compared him to Clayton Keller. Not sure how accurate that is.

I'd say more Mitch Marner than Keller.
Ivar plays solid defense and you will very rarely question his effort.

[zamadoo]

I don’t see Barkov at all, I’ve seen the Keller and Lucas Raymond comparisons. Some people say Markus Naslund.

I agree, no resemblance to Barkov.

As for trading down, which teams have multiple top-15 picks and more? Or could it be part of a bigger trade? Maybe just moving down one or two spots and picking up a nice 2nd rounder? I could see that, and my preliminary notion is that anything top-10 is a good get. I suppose I'll research some more, but with Carels moving up, there are a lot of good dmen this draft.

[kimzey59]

I don’t see Barkov at all, I’ve seen the Keller and Lucas Raymond comparisons. Some people say Markus Naslund.

I agree, no resemblance to Barkov.

As for trading down, which teams have multiple top-15 picks and more? Or could it be part of a bigger trade? Maybe just moving down one or two spots and picking up a nice 2nd rounder? I could see that, and my preliminary notion is that anything top-10 is a good get. I suppose I'll research some more, but with Carels moving up, there are a lot of good dmen this draft.

Vancouver has Florida's 1st.
Calgary has Vegas' 1st.
The Rag's have Dallas' 1st.

I am absolutely, 100% AGAINST trading down(even a spot or 2). We need to come out of this Draft with Stenberg or McKenna.

[zamadoo]

I don’t see Barkov at all, I’ve seen the Keller and Lucas Raymond comparisons. Some people say Markus Naslund.

I agree, no resemblance to Barkov.

As for trading down, which teams have multiple top-15 picks and more? Or could it be part of a bigger trade? Maybe just moving down one or two spots and picking up a nice 2nd rounder? I could see that, and my preliminary notion is that anything top-10 is a good get. I suppose I'll research some more, but with Carels moving up, there are a lot of good dmen this draft.

Vancouver has Florida's 1st.
Calgary has Vegas' 1st.
The Rag's have Dallas' 1st.

I am absolutely, 100% AGAINST trading down(even a spot or 2). We need to come out of this Draft with Stenberg or McKenna.

I generally agree, and if we get say 3rd or below, I'd rather trade up. However, I'm fine taking another great prospect with whatever pick we have. It would be lovely if we drew the 1st OA, but I foresee more like finishing 3rd and dropping to pick 9th or something...

[Younghopp1991]

I don’t see Barkov at all, I’ve seen the Keller and Lucas Raymond comparisons. Some people say Markus Naslund.

I agree, no resemblance to Barkov.

As for trading down, which teams have multiple top-15 picks and more? Or could it be part of a bigger trade? Maybe just moving down one or two spots and picking up a nice 2nd rounder? I could see that, and my preliminary notion is that anything top-10 is a good get. I suppose I'll research some more, but with Carels moving up, there are a lot of good dmen this draft.

Vancouver has Florida's 1st.
Calgary has Vegas' 1st.
The Rag's have Dallas' 1st.

I am absolutely, 100% AGAINST trading down(even a spot or 2). We need to come out of this Draft with Stenberg or McKenna.

Chicago has fla
Van has minn.
i agree with not trading down if you have 1 or 2

[zuck698]

No trading down from 1 or 2. This team needs a difference maker. Maybe trade down if we acquire an additional 1st thru a trade or 2, but not from the top 2 spots. I can't believe I am now a huge Canuck fan. Go Vancouver!

[LGB73]

Agree no trading out of 1 or 2. Of course the thread isn't about those picks.