NHL Draft Contribution to Blues Team Roster

[a smell of green grass]

Although it would be real nice if one of our recently drafted players becomes a better player than Thomas or Kyrou.
IMO--the biggest problem has been production of Thomas, Kyrou, Buchnevich. Not looking like top liners. (outside of Thomas most of the time.)
Maybe Jiricek and Carbonneau can bring up the overall quality.

Let me be the first to tell you. Thomas, Kyrou and Buchnevich play like their draft position foretells that they will. They are not elite. They are not solutions to win a CUP.

Dvorsky, Stenberg and the rest are nothing but younger Kyrous and Thomass. Not good enough to win a Cup.

So as we watch Armstrong try to win the Olympics with NOTHING BUT elite talent, we get to see him staffing our team to win a CUP with EVERYTHING BUT ELITE TALENT.

Somebody needs to ask Doug why he doesn't staff the Olympic team like he staffs his St Louis roster. I don't see an Olympics roster with 4 lines of 2-way average players.

Are you not aware of the vastly different parameters between rostering and national team vs an NHL team?

Furthermore, didn't you say just yesterday say that you were going to stop spamming the board??

I'm totally aware of the different constraints between rostering an Olympic team and an NHL team.

Here is the difference..

For an Olympics, you can and do staff the roster with elite talent at every position. Elite talent is what draws eyeballs to the game. Elite talent is how you win GOLD.

For the Stanley Cup, it is not possible to staff the roster with elite talent at every position. HOWEVER, you do try to staff the team with an many ELITE PLAYERS AS IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!! Colorado, Edmonton, and Florida each of 2 TOP5 picks that they selected.

So then the question for Army is....
Why are you not concerned with getting ELITE TALENT on the St Louis Team? NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!! How do you settle for that situation for 5+ years and counting?!

Honestly, I dont really care that much. And people like you are making me care less and less.

Fine. You and I have different expectations and requirements for the team.

However, I'm guessing that 95% of the fans in hockey agree with me. Every NHL city -- except St Louis -- wants elite players. I know that I am not asking for too much or being unreasonable.

No, you're just being an annoying (bleep).

Why would I want to annoy Blues fans? Are you crazy? What possible benefit would I get from that?

I'm here to annoy Blues Management because they are EFFING up my team.

[SameOldBlues]

Well...I guess things couldve been worse. At least noone let Rainman aka ASOGG try to make pancakes in Charlie's kitchen again.

[juan good eye]

Super dumb thread again, lets look at drafts quickly during the Doug Armstrong era

2010 #16 Tarasenko 4th in his draft class in Pts and Goals
2010 #14 Schwartz 11th in Pts, 10th in Goals

2012 #33 Parayko 13th in Pts, 12th in GP

2014 #33 Barbashev 16th in Pts, 15th in Goals

2016 #26 Thompson 9th in Pts, 6th in Goals
2016 #35 Kyrou 10th in Pts, 9th Goals

2017 #20 Thomas 5th in Pts, 8th in Goals

2020 #26 Neighbours 8th in Goals

2021 #17 Zack Bolduc 10th in Goals

2022 #23 Snuggerud 14th in Pts

2023 #25 Stenberg 4th in +/-, 14th in Pts
2023 #10 Dvorsky 10th in Goal

So... once again as you can see the Blues have done a tremendous job drafting and developing their kids in this era. They wont need necessarily a "top 5" pick when the organization is this good at picking talent

The irony of a fanboy identifying the problem:

the Blue have exactly ZERO players who are the best (or top 3 even) from their respective draft class during Army’s tenure

Elite talent where art thou?

[DoneLurking]

Super dumb thread again, lets look at drafts quickly during the Doug Armstrong era

2010 #16 Tarasenko 4th in his draft class in Pts and Goals
2010 #14 Schwartz 11th in Pts, 10th in Goals

2012 #33 Parayko 13th in Pts, 12th in GP

2014 #33 Barbashev 16th in Pts, 15th in Goals

2016 #26 Thompson 9th in Pts, 6th in Goals
2016 #35 Kyrou 10th in Pts, 9th Goals

2017 #20 Thomas 5th in Pts, 8th in Goals

2020 #26 Neighbours 8th in Goals

2021 #17 Zack Bolduc 10th in Goals

2022 #23 Snuggerud 14th in Pts

2023 #25 Stenberg 4th in +/-, 14th in Pts
2023 #10 Dvorsky 10th in Goal

So... once again as you can see the Blues have done a tremendous job drafting and developing their kids in this era. They wont need necessarily a "top 5" pick when the organization is this good at picking talent

The irony of a fanboy identifying the problem:

the Blue have exactly ZERO players who are the best (or top 3 even) from their respective draft class during Army’s tenure

Elite talent where art thou?

Presuming you’re not just another account of the same guy I’ve since ignored. There’s a difference between a lack of elite top end talent that you’d find at the top of the draft, and being unable to draft, which is claimed often.

As shown in the quoted, the blues draft pretty darn well.

Getting ahead of the inevitable garbage response for the sake of any new lurkers, no, Armstrong has never said, nor implied that he prefers to draft 15th or later nor has he added that this is because he knows he can’t draft in the top 5. This will be repeated like it’s a known fact and a common thing Armstrong has said. It isn’t. And no actual proof of this has ever been shared.

[juan good eye]

Super dumb thread again, lets look at drafts quickly during the Doug Armstrong era

2010 #16 Tarasenko 4th in his draft class in Pts and Goals
2010 #14 Schwartz 11th in Pts, 10th in Goals

2012 #33 Parayko 13th in Pts, 12th in GP

2014 #33 Barbashev 16th in Pts, 15th in Goals

2016 #26 Thompson 9th in Pts, 6th in Goals
2016 #35 Kyrou 10th in Pts, 9th Goals

2017 #20 Thomas 5th in Pts, 8th in Goals

2020 #26 Neighbours 8th in Goals

2021 #17 Zack Bolduc 10th in Goals

2022 #23 Snuggerud 14th in Pts

2023 #25 Stenberg 4th in +/-, 14th in Pts
2023 #10 Dvorsky 10th in Goal

So... once again as you can see the Blues have done a tremendous job drafting and developing their kids in this era. They wont need necessarily a "top 5" pick when the organization is this good at picking talent

The irony of a fanboy identifying the problem:

the Blue have exactly ZERO players who are the best (or top 3 even) from their respective draft class during Army’s tenure

Elite talent where art thou?

Presuming you’re not just another account of the same guy I’ve since ignored. There’s a difference between a lack of elite top end talent that you’d find at the top of the draft, and being unable to draft, which is claimed often.

As shown in the quoted, the blues draft pretty darn well.

Getting ahead of the inevitable garbage response for the sake of any new lurkers, no, Armstrong has never said, nor implied that he prefers to draft 15th or later nor has he added that this is because he knows he can’t draft in the top 5. This will be repeated like it’s a known fact and a common thing Armstrong has said. It isn’t. And no actual proof of this has ever been shared.

Address what I actually said. Can you do that with any integrity?

[a smell of green grass]

Super dumb thread again, lets look at drafts quickly during the Doug Armstrong era

2010 #16 Tarasenko 4th in his draft class in Pts and Goals
2010 #14 Schwartz 11th in Pts, 10th in Goals

2012 #33 Parayko 13th in Pts, 12th in GP

2014 #33 Barbashev 16th in Pts, 15th in Goals

2016 #26 Thompson 9th in Pts, 6th in Goals
2016 #35 Kyrou 10th in Pts, 9th Goals

2017 #20 Thomas 5th in Pts, 8th in Goals

2020 #26 Neighbours 8th in Goals

2021 #17 Zack Bolduc 10th in Goals

2022 #23 Snuggerud 14th in Pts

2023 #25 Stenberg 4th in +/-, 14th in Pts
2023 #10 Dvorsky 10th in Goal

So... once again as you can see the Blues have done a tremendous job drafting and developing their kids in this era. They wont need necessarily a "top 5" pick when the organization is this good at picking talent

This post is about the NHL draft contribution to the current team roster.

2010 #16 Tarasenko GONE and nothing left to show for it.
2010 #14 Schwartz GONE and nothing left to show for it.
2011 - GONE
2012 #33 Parayko Very good find, but player is approaching mediocrity
2013 GONE
2014 #33 Barbashev GONE and nothing left to show for it (unless you count Dean)
2015 GONE
2016 #26 Thompson GONE and nothing left to show for it.
2016 #35 Kyrou Good find, but not elite, and signed to horrible contract
2017 #20 Thomas Good find, but not elite
2018 GONE
2019 GONE
2020 #26 Neighbours Good find
2021 #17 Zack Bolduc GONE and exchanged for mediocre RHD
2022 #23 Snuggerud Promising
2023 Almost zero contribution thus far
2024 No contribution thus far

Our roster has exceptionally little influence/impact by the NHL draft.

What does it tell you that Detroit's throwaway is on our first line?
What does it tell you that Edmonton's bench players are our stars?

Arrmstrong is horrible at using the NHL draft to sustain a roster. It shows in many ways.