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Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 14:15 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 14:01 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 12:11 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 12:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 10:17 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:53 am

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:37 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:20 am MO leaves this org at the absolute bottom of a 30 yr timeline…..and people are seriously thinking of honoring him???
ALL his success was due to TLR, Dunc, Luhnow…..after those fellas were gone and attrition left the team with just MO he guided the St. Louis Cardinals to an embarrassing disaster……

I'm sorry, but that's wrong, Goldfan. Mo had almost 30 years with the Cardinals, and had a hand in a number of the successes over those years. He contributed while performing a number of jobs at different levels. I'm not a fan of what transpired over the past few years, but I'll give a degree of credit where credit is due to a long standing employee.

Whatever success you wish to attribute to him….the gigantic historic hole he left the org will be his lasting legacy. This team might not avg over 20K in attendance next season…..the ultimate barometer
And it’s an undeniable fact that when he and BDW decided they were going to exclusively captain the ship it slowly took on water and has now finally sunk

GF,

I think you and Cranny both have valid points. Though the organization is in a rough spot right now, Mo also oversaw one of the finest eras of Cardinals baseball. Sure you ascribe some of that success to Jocketty, LaRussa, etc. (no argument here), but he was still the head of the organization and will be attributed those achievements. As much as I hate where we are today, I still recognize our great decade plus long run.

I think with time Mo will be recognized/received better than he is today. The current state is too fresh, but with time (and a return to prominence), I think Cards fans will look back more favorably on his tenure.

TLR strong armed him to get the players he wanted. Luhnow developed the system that produced those good to very good internal fellas in the teens. When Mo was left on his own he was terrible. If you want to give him credit for having the title…..have at it. Do you think this chitshow was cultivated through Great leadership???

I am well aware of TLR's pull within the organization (and glad he had it!!). But at the end of the day, Mo had a pretty good run. Compare his tenure with any of his contemporaries and you will see that overall, he did a fantastic job. Again, I too am as disappointed as the next guy in how it ended, but being rational and looking at the entire era, I would say he should be recognized one day. Nothing wrong with that.

Pujols, a sure fire HOFer, isnt going to be penalized fpr his lackluster years in Anaheim is he?

Nobody is perfect, but his overall legacy has been very good!

And again, I am no Mo apologist. Should he be recognized right away? Of course not. But in due time, he will be. You'll be surprised what time can do (and what a turnaround to greatness for the Cards will do) to people and theur feelings.

A rational post. Thank you, Cardinals4Life. Too bad there's so much hate from others.

Thanks.
I understand the hate and frustration. The past several years have been frustrating to go through. However, we also witnessed perhaps the greatest era in Cards history with Mo at the helm. He had a really good run that ended poorly. Overall, though, a very successful tenure. Again, "the passage of time" (sorry, tried to not laugh when I typed that ....some of you will get that...) will likely soften the negativity a lot are feeling right now.

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 15:12 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 14:15 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 14:01 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 12:11 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 12:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 10:17 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:53 am

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:37 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:20 am MO leaves this org at the absolute bottom of a 30 yr timeline…..and people are seriously thinking of honoring him???
ALL his success was due to TLR, Dunc, Luhnow…..after those fellas were gone and attrition left the team with just MO he guided the St. Louis Cardinals to an embarrassing disaster……

I'm sorry, but that's wrong, Goldfan. Mo had almost 30 years with the Cardinals, and had a hand in a number of the successes over those years. He contributed while performing a number of jobs at different levels. I'm not a fan of what transpired over the past few years, but I'll give a degree of credit where credit is due to a long standing employee.

Whatever success you wish to attribute to him….the gigantic historic hole he left the org will be his lasting legacy. This team might not avg over 20K in attendance next season…..the ultimate barometer
And it’s an undeniable fact that when he and BDW decided they were going to exclusively captain the ship it slowly took on water and has now finally sunk

GF,

I think you and Cranny both have valid points. Though the organization is in a rough spot right now, Mo also oversaw one of the finest eras of Cardinals baseball. Sure you ascribe some of that success to Jocketty, LaRussa, etc. (no argument here), but he was still the head of the organization and will be attributed those achievements. As much as I hate where we are today, I still recognize our great decade plus long run.

I think with time Mo will be recognized/received better than he is today. The current state is too fresh, but with time (and a return to prominence), I think Cards fans will look back more favorably on his tenure.

TLR strong armed him to get the players he wanted. Luhnow developed the system that produced those good to very good internal fellas in the teens. When Mo was left on his own he was terrible. If you want to give him credit for having the title…..have at it. Do you think this chitshow was cultivated through Great leadership???

I am well aware of TLR's pull within the organization (and glad he had it!!). But at the end of the day, Mo had a pretty good run. Compare his tenure with any of his contemporaries and you will see that overall, he did a fantastic job. Again, I too am as disappointed as the next guy in how it ended, but being rational and looking at the entire era, I would say he should be recognized one day. Nothing wrong with that.

Pujols, a sure fire HOFer, isnt going to be penalized fpr his lackluster years in Anaheim is he?

Nobody is perfect, but his overall legacy has been very good!

And again, I am no Mo apologist. Should he be recognized right away? Of course not. But in due time, he will be. You'll be surprised what time can do (and what a turnaround to greatness for the Cards will do) to people and theur feelings.

A rational post. Thank you, Cardinals4Life. Too bad there's so much hate from others.

Thanks.
I understand the hate and frustration. The past several years have been frustrating to go through. However, we also witnessed perhaps the greatest era in Cards history with Mo at the helm. He had a really good run that ended poorly. Overall, though, a very successful tenure. Again, "the passage of time" (sorry, tried to not laugh when I typed that ....some of you will get that...) will likely soften the negativity a lot are feeling right now.

Some don't understand the breadth and depth of the duties of the POBO/GM. I remember Gary Laroque at Winter Warm Up
telling Mo stories. One was about a player Mo was promoting from AAA to the majors to fill the spot of an injured ML player. He called Gary at 3am to ask him who should be promoted from AA to AAA to fill the player's spot. Gary said he would think about it and call Mo back. Mo called him again at 4am to ask him if he had made a decision yet.

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 16:31 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 15:12 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 14:15 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 14:01 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 12:11 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 12:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 10:17 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:53 am

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:37 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:20 am MO leaves this org at the absolute bottom of a 30 yr timeline…..and people are seriously thinking of honoring him???
ALL his success was due to TLR, Dunc, Luhnow…..after those fellas were gone and attrition left the team with just MO he guided the St. Louis Cardinals to an embarrassing disaster……

I'm sorry, but that's wrong, Goldfan. Mo had almost 30 years with the Cardinals, and had a hand in a number of the successes over those years. He contributed while performing a number of jobs at different levels. I'm not a fan of what transpired over the past few years, but I'll give a degree of credit where credit is due to a long standing employee.

Whatever success you wish to attribute to him….the gigantic historic hole he left the org will be his lasting legacy. This team might not avg over 20K in attendance next season…..the ultimate barometer
And it’s an undeniable fact that when he and BDW decided they were going to exclusively captain the ship it slowly took on water and has now finally sunk

GF,

I think you and Cranny both have valid points. Though the organization is in a rough spot right now, Mo also oversaw one of the finest eras of Cardinals baseball. Sure you ascribe some of that success to Jocketty, LaRussa, etc. (no argument here), but he was still the head of the organization and will be attributed those achievements. As much as I hate where we are today, I still recognize our great decade plus long run.

I think with time Mo will be recognized/received better than he is today. The current state is too fresh, but with time (and a return to prominence), I think Cards fans will look back more favorably on his tenure.

TLR strong armed him to get the players he wanted. Luhnow developed the system that produced those good to very good internal fellas in the teens. When Mo was left on his own he was terrible. If you want to give him credit for having the title…..have at it. Do you think this chitshow was cultivated through Great leadership???

I am well aware of TLR's pull within the organization (and glad he had it!!). But at the end of the day, Mo had a pretty good run. Compare his tenure with any of his contemporaries and you will see that overall, he did a fantastic job. Again, I too am as disappointed as the next guy in how it ended, but being rational and looking at the entire era, I would say he should be recognized one day. Nothing wrong with that.

Pujols, a sure fire HOFer, isnt going to be penalized fpr his lackluster years in Anaheim is he?

Nobody is perfect, but his overall legacy has been very good!

And again, I am no Mo apologist. Should he be recognized right away? Of course not. But in due time, he will be. You'll be surprised what time can do (and what a turnaround to greatness for the Cards will do) to people and theur feelings.

A rational post. Thank you, Cardinals4Life. Too bad there's so much hate from others.

Thanks.
I understand the hate and frustration. The past several years have been frustrating to go through. However, we also witnessed perhaps the greatest era in Cards history with Mo at the helm. He had a really good run that ended poorly. Overall, though, a very successful tenure. Again, "the passage of time" (sorry, tried to not laugh when I typed that ....some of you will get that...) will likely soften the negativity a lot are feeling right now.

Some don't understand the breadth and depth of the duties of the POBO/GM. I remember Gary Laroque at Winter Warm Up
telling Mo stories. One was about a player Mo was promoting from AAA to the majors to fill the spot of an injured ML player. He called Gary at 3am to ask him who should be promoted from AA to AAA to fill the player's spot. Gary said he would think about it and call Mo back. Mo called him again at 4am to ask him if he had made a decision yet.

Cranny,

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 15:12 pm Some don't understand the breadth and depth of the duties of the POBO/GM. I remember Gary Laroque at Winter Warm Up
telling Mo stories. One was about a player Mo was promoting from AAA to the majors to fill the spot of an injured ML player. He called Gary at 3am to ask him who should be promoted from AA to AAA to fill the player's spot. Gary said he would think about it and call Mo back. Mo called him again at 4am to ask him if he had made a decision yet.

Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 16:39 pm The way all of this generally works is the longer you do something, the smarter you get. You can do more and better work in less time than you can do in the beginning of your career. That’s why you get paid more as you age and gain experience.

Ask yourself, if you can be honest, how can a man leave an organization so much worse than he found it after having been there for 30 years? He spent 10 years tearing down what others built up. How can people fail to recognize this? Low thinking is the answer. The scores of millions of dollars Moe peed away will be his legacy for most thinking fans.

riff raff wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 16:55 pm Simp alert

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 16:42 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 16:31 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 15:12 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 14:15 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 14:01 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 12:11 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 12:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 10:17 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:53 am

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:37 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:20 am MO leaves this org at the absolute bottom of a 30 yr timeline…..and people are seriously thinking of honoring him???
ALL his success was due to TLR, Dunc, Luhnow…..after those fellas were gone and attrition left the team with just MO he guided the St. Louis Cardinals to an embarrassing disaster……

I'm sorry, but that's wrong, Goldfan. Mo had almost 30 years with the Cardinals, and had a hand in a number of the successes over those years. He contributed while performing a number of jobs at different levels. I'm not a fan of what transpired over the past few years, but I'll give a degree of credit where credit is due to a long standing employee.

Whatever success you wish to attribute to him….the gigantic historic hole he left the org will be his lasting legacy. This team might not avg over 20K in attendance next season…..the ultimate barometer
And it’s an undeniable fact that when he and BDW decided they were going to exclusively captain the ship it slowly took on water and has now finally sunk

GF,

I think you and Cranny both have valid points. Though the organization is in a rough spot right now, Mo also oversaw one of the finest eras of Cardinals baseball. Sure you ascribe some of that success to Jocketty, LaRussa, etc. (no argument here), but he was still the head of the organization and will be attributed those achievements. As much as I hate where we are today, I still recognize our great decade plus long run.

I think with time Mo will be recognized/received better than he is today. The current state is too fresh, but with time (and a return to prominence), I think Cards fans will look back more favorably on his tenure.

TLR strong armed him to get the players he wanted. Luhnow developed the system that produced those good to very good internal fellas in the teens. When Mo was left on his own he was terrible. If you want to give him credit for having the title…..have at it. Do you think this chitshow was cultivated through Great leadership???

I am well aware of TLR's pull within the organization (and glad he had it!!). But at the end of the day, Mo had a pretty good run. Compare his tenure with any of his contemporaries and you will see that overall, he did a fantastic job. Again, I too am as disappointed as the next guy in how it ended, but being rational and looking at the entire era, I would say he should be recognized one day. Nothing wrong with that.

Pujols, a sure fire HOFer, isnt going to be penalized fpr his lackluster years in Anaheim is he?

Nobody is perfect, but his overall legacy has been very good!

And again, I am no Mo apologist. Should he be recognized right away? Of course not. But in due time, he will be. You'll be surprised what time can do (and what a turnaround to greatness for the Cards will do) to people and theur feelings.

A rational post. Thank you, Cardinals4Life. Too bad there's so much hate from others.

Thanks.
I understand the hate and frustration. The past several years have been frustrating to go through. However, we also witnessed perhaps the greatest era in Cards history with Mo at the helm. He had a really good run that ended poorly. Overall, though, a very successful tenure. Again, "the passage of time" (sorry, tried to not laugh when I typed that ....some of you will get that...) will likely soften the negativity a lot are feeling right now.

Some don't understand the breadth and depth of the duties of the POBO/GM. I remember Gary Laroque at Winter Warm Up
telling Mo stories. One was about a player Mo was promoting from AAA to the majors to fill the spot of an injured ML player. He called Gary at 3am to ask him who should be promoted from AA to AAA to fill the player's spot. Gary said he would think about it and call Mo back. Mo called him again at 4am to ask him if he had made a decision yet.

Cranny,

Mo was paid handsomely to wake up at 3AM. Heck he could’ve been in time zone where it wasn’t 3am when calling…..at any rate Nothing which you’ve written has contradicted the extremely poor job he has done the last decade. An ENTIRE DECADE. He and BDW let the minor league development system ROT. People in the industry were astounded how behind other MLB orgs they had become. WHO is responsible for that??? And this is after TLR left and BDW/MO stressed the path forward was developing from within. It boggles the mind just thinking about that. We can rehash ALL the terrible FA signings and Contracts he passed out. And finally destroyed the fanbase……in ST. LOUIS….almost impossible but he did it. There is a point which is reached where celebrating any success has been way surpassed by the complete collapse he presided over.

zuck698 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 17:02 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 16:42 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 16:31 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 15:12 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 14:15 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 14:01 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 12:11 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 12:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 10:17 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:53 am

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:37 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:20 am MO leaves this org at the absolute bottom of a 30 yr timeline…..and people are seriously thinking of honoring him???
ALL his success was due to TLR, Dunc, Luhnow…..after those fellas were gone and attrition left the team with just MO he guided the St. Louis Cardinals to an embarrassing disaster……

I'm sorry, but that's wrong, Goldfan. Mo had almost 30 years with the Cardinals, and had a hand in a number of the successes over those years. He contributed while performing a number of jobs at different levels. I'm not a fan of what transpired over the past few years, but I'll give a degree of credit where credit is due to a long standing employee.

Whatever success you wish to attribute to him….the gigantic historic hole he left the org will be his lasting legacy. This team might not avg over 20K in attendance next season…..the ultimate barometer
And it’s an undeniable fact that when he and BDW decided they were going to exclusively captain the ship it slowly took on water and has now finally sunk

GF,

I think you and Cranny both have valid points. Though the organization is in a rough spot right now, Mo also oversaw one of the finest eras of Cardinals baseball. Sure you ascribe some of that success to Jocketty, LaRussa, etc. (no argument here), but he was still the head of the organization and will be attributed those achievements. As much as I hate where we are today, I still recognize our great decade plus long run.

I think with time Mo will be recognized/received better than he is today. The current state is too fresh, but with time (and a return to prominence), I think Cards fans will look back more favorably on his tenure.

TLR strong armed him to get the players he wanted. Luhnow developed the system that produced those good to very good internal fellas in the teens. When Mo was left on his own he was terrible. If you want to give him credit for having the title…..have at it. Do you think this chitshow was cultivated through Great leadership???

I am well aware of TLR's pull within the organization (and glad he had it!!). But at the end of the day, Mo had a pretty good run. Compare his tenure with any of his contemporaries and you will see that overall, he did a fantastic job. Again, I too am as disappointed as the next guy in how it ended, but being rational and looking at the entire era, I would say he should be recognized one day. Nothing wrong with that.

Pujols, a sure fire HOFer, isnt going to be penalized fpr his lackluster years in Anaheim is he?

Nobody is perfect, but his overall legacy has been very good!

And again, I am no Mo apologist. Should he be recognized right away? Of course not. But in due time, he will be. You'll be surprised what time can do (and what a turnaround to greatness for the Cards will do) to people and theur feelings.

A rational post. Thank you, Cardinals4Life. Too bad there's so much hate from others.

Thanks.
I understand the hate and frustration. The past several years have been frustrating to go through. However, we also witnessed perhaps the greatest era in Cards history with Mo at the helm. He had a really good run that ended poorly. Overall, though, a very successful tenure. Again, "the passage of time" (sorry, tried to not laugh when I typed that ....some of you will get that...) will likely soften the negativity a lot are feeling right now.

Some don't understand the breadth and depth of the duties of the POBO/GM. I remember Gary Laroque at Winter Warm Up
telling Mo stories. One was about a player Mo was promoting from AAA to the majors to fill the spot of an injured ML player. He called Gary at 3am to ask him who should be promoted from AA to AAA to fill the player's spot. Gary said he would think about it and call Mo back. Mo called him again at 4am to ask him if he had made a decision yet.

Cranny,

Mo was paid handsomely to wake up at 3AM. Heck he could’ve been in time zone where it wasn’t 3am when calling…..at any rate Nothing which you’ve written has contradicted the extremely poor job he has done the last decade. An ENTIRE DECADE. He and BDW let the minor league development system ROT. People in the industry were astounded how behind other MLB orgs they had become. WHO is responsible for that??? And this is after TLR left and BDW/MO stressed the path forward was developing from within. It boggles the mind just thinking about that. We can rehash ALL the terrible FA signings and Contracts he passed out. And finally destroyed the fanbase……in ST. LOUIS….almost impossible but he did it. There is a point which is reached where celebrating any success has been way surpassed by the complete collapse he presided over.

Agreed Goldfan. Imagine the Cards as an airplane. Mo may have been the "pilot" of the plane for many years, but once the "pilot" crashes the plane, you don't celebrate the pilot! Mo was able to keep the plane in the air for a while after Walt, Jeff, and Tony, had left the cockpit. But when Mo was left alone in the cockpit for the last 10-15 years, he was slowly crashing the plane into the ground during that timeframe. In the airline world, no one celebrates the pilot who crashed the plane. And certainly, no one puts a pilot who crashed a perfectly good flying plane, into any Hall of Fame! Get Mo a parting Rolex and a plaque for his years of service, but then lets call it a day!

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 17:12 pm

zuck698 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 17:02 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 16:42 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 16:31 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 15:12 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 14:15 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 14:01 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 12:11 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 12:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 10:17 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:53 am

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:37 am

I'm sorry, but that's wrong, Goldfan. Mo had almost 30 years with the Cardinals, and had a hand in a number of the successes over those years. He contributed while performing a number of jobs at different levels. I'm not a fan of what transpired over the past few years, but I'll give a degree of credit where credit is due to a long standing employee.

Whatever success you wish to attribute to him….the gigantic historic hole he left the org will be his lasting legacy. This team might not avg over 20K in attendance next season…..the ultimate barometer
And it’s an undeniable fact that when he and BDW decided they were going to exclusively captain the ship it slowly took on water and has now finally sunk

GF,

I think you and Cranny both have valid points. Though the organization is in a rough spot right now, Mo also oversaw one of the finest eras of Cardinals baseball. Sure you ascribe some of that success to Jocketty, LaRussa, etc. (no argument here), but he was still the head of the organization and will be attributed those achievements. As much as I hate where we are today, I still recognize our great decade plus long run.

I think with time Mo will be recognized/received better than he is today. The current state is too fresh, but with time (and a return to prominence), I think Cards fans will look back more favorably on his tenure.

TLR strong armed him to get the players he wanted. Luhnow developed the system that produced those good to very good internal fellas in the teens. When Mo was left on his own he was terrible. If you want to give him credit for having the title…..have at it. Do you think this chitshow was cultivated through Great leadership???

I am well aware of TLR's pull within the organization (and glad he had it!!). But at the end of the day, Mo had a pretty good run. Compare his tenure with any of his contemporaries and you will see that overall, he did a fantastic job. Again, I too am as disappointed as the next guy in how it ended, but being rational and looking at the entire era, I would say he should be recognized one day. Nothing wrong with that.

Pujols, a sure fire HOFer, isnt going to be penalized fpr his lackluster years in Anaheim is he?

Nobody is perfect, but his overall legacy has been very good!

And again, I am no Mo apologist. Should he be recognized right away? Of course not. But in due time, he will be. You'll be surprised what time can do (and what a turnaround to greatness for the Cards will do) to people and theur feelings.

A rational post. Thank you, Cardinals4Life. Too bad there's so much hate from others.

Thanks.
I understand the hate and frustration. The past several years have been frustrating to go through. However, we also witnessed perhaps the greatest era in Cards history with Mo at the helm. He had a really good run that ended poorly. Overall, though, a very successful tenure. Again, "the passage of time" (sorry, tried to not laugh when I typed that ....some of you will get that...) will likely soften the negativity a lot are feeling right now.

Some don't understand the breadth and depth of the duties of the POBO/GM. I remember Gary Laroque at Winter Warm Up
telling Mo stories. One was about a player Mo was promoting from AAA to the majors to fill the spot of an injured ML player. He called Gary at 3am to ask him who should be promoted from AA to AAA to fill the player's spot. Gary said he would think about it and call Mo back. Mo called him again at 4am to ask him if he had made a decision yet.

Cranny,

Mo was paid handsomely to wake up at 3AM. Heck he could’ve been in time zone where it wasn’t 3am when calling…..at any rate Nothing which you’ve written has contradicted the extremely poor job he has done the last decade. An ENTIRE DECADE. He and BDW let the minor league development system ROT. People in the industry were astounded how behind other MLB orgs they had become. WHO is responsible for that??? And this is after TLR left and BDW/MO stressed the path forward was developing from within. It boggles the mind just thinking about that. We can rehash ALL the terrible FA signings and Contracts he passed out. And finally destroyed the fanbase……in ST. LOUIS….almost impossible but he did it. There is a point which is reached where celebrating any success has been way surpassed by the complete collapse he presided over.

Agreed Goldfan. Imagine the Cards as an airplane. Mo may have been the "pilot" of the plane for many years, but once the "pilot" crashes the plane, you don't celebrate the pilot! Mo was able to keep the plane in the air for a while after Walt, Jeff, and Tony, had left the cockpit. But when Mo was left alone in the cockpit for the last 10-15 years, he was slowly crashing the plane into the ground during that timeframe. In the airline world, no one celebrates the pilot who crashed the plane. And certainly, no one puts a pilot who crashed a perfectly good flying plane, into any Hall of Fame! Get Mo a parting Rolex and a plaque for his years of service, but then lets call it a day!

I'll take the opinion of another POBO in the Central Division who told me "Mo is one of the most respected men in
all of MLB". A peer over a bunch of hateful folks on a faceless anonymous forum.

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 17:12 pm

zuck698 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 17:02 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 16:42 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 16:31 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 15:12 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 14:15 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 14:01 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 12:11 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 12:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 10:17 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:53 am

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:37 am

I'm sorry, but that's wrong, Goldfan. Mo had almost 30 years with the Cardinals, and had a hand in a number of the successes over those years. He contributed while performing a number of jobs at different levels. I'm not a fan of what transpired over the past few years, but I'll give a degree of credit where credit is due to a long standing employee.

Whatever success you wish to attribute to him….the gigantic historic hole he left the org will be his lasting legacy. This team might not avg over 20K in attendance next season…..the ultimate barometer
And it’s an undeniable fact that when he and BDW decided they were going to exclusively captain the ship it slowly took on water and has now finally sunk

GF,

I think you and Cranny both have valid points. Though the organization is in a rough spot right now, Mo also oversaw one of the finest eras of Cardinals baseball. Sure you ascribe some of that success to Jocketty, LaRussa, etc. (no argument here), but he was still the head of the organization and will be attributed those achievements. As much as I hate where we are today, I still recognize our great decade plus long run.

I think with time Mo will be recognized/received better than he is today. The current state is too fresh, but with time (and a return to prominence), I think Cards fans will look back more favorably on his tenure.

TLR strong armed him to get the players he wanted. Luhnow developed the system that produced those good to very good internal fellas in the teens. When Mo was left on his own he was terrible. If you want to give him credit for having the title…..have at it. Do you think this chitshow was cultivated through Great leadership???

I am well aware of TLR's pull within the organization (and glad he had it!!). But at the end of the day, Mo had a pretty good run. Compare his tenure with any of his contemporaries and you will see that overall, he did a fantastic job. Again, I too am as disappointed as the next guy in how it ended, but being rational and looking at the entire era, I would say he should be recognized one day. Nothing wrong with that.

Pujols, a sure fire HOFer, isnt going to be penalized fpr his lackluster years in Anaheim is he?

Nobody is perfect, but his overall legacy has been very good!

And again, I am no Mo apologist. Should he be recognized right away? Of course not. But in due time, he will be. You'll be surprised what time can do (and what a turnaround to greatness for the Cards will do) to people and theur feelings.

A rational post. Thank you, Cardinals4Life. Too bad there's so much hate from others.

Thanks.
I understand the hate and frustration. The past several years have been frustrating to go through. However, we also witnessed perhaps the greatest era in Cards history with Mo at the helm. He had a really good run that ended poorly. Overall, though, a very successful tenure. Again, "the passage of time" (sorry, tried to not laugh when I typed that ....some of you will get that...) will likely soften the negativity a lot are feeling right now.

Some don't understand the breadth and depth of the duties of the POBO/GM. I remember Gary Laroque at Winter Warm Up
telling Mo stories. One was about a player Mo was promoting from AAA to the majors to fill the spot of an injured ML player. He called Gary at 3am to ask him who should be promoted from AA to AAA to fill the player's spot. Gary said he would think about it and call Mo back. Mo called him again at 4am to ask him if he had made a decision yet.

Cranny,

Mo was paid handsomely to wake up at 3AM. Heck he could’ve been in time zone where it wasn’t 3am when calling…..at any rate Nothing which you’ve written has contradicted the extremely poor job he has done the last decade. An ENTIRE DECADE. He and BDW let the minor league development system ROT. People in the industry were astounded how behind other MLB orgs they had become. WHO is responsible for that??? And this is after TLR left and BDW/MO stressed the path forward was developing from within. It boggles the mind just thinking about that. We can rehash ALL the terrible FA signings and Contracts he passed out. And finally destroyed the fanbase……in ST. LOUIS….almost impossible but he did it. There is a point which is reached where celebrating any success has been way surpassed by the complete collapse he presided over.

Agreed Goldfan. Imagine the Cards as an airplane. Mo may have been the "pilot" of the plane for many years, but once the "pilot" crashes the plane, you don't celebrate the pilot! Mo was able to keep the plane in the air for a while after Walt, Jeff, and Tony, had left the cockpit. But when Mo was left alone in the cockpit for the last 10-15 years, he was slowly crashing the plane into the ground during that timeframe. In the airline world, no one celebrates the pilot who crashed the plane. And certainly, no one puts a pilot who crashed a perfectly good flying plane, into any Hall of Fame! Get Mo a parting Rolex and a plaque for his years of service, but then lets call it a day!

I'll take the opinion of another POBO in the Central Division who told me "Mo is one of the most respected men in
all of MLB". A peer over a bunch of hateful folks on a faceless anonymous forum.

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 17:12 pm

zuck698 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 17:02 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 16:42 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 16:31 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 15:12 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 14:15 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 14:01 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 12:11 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 12:00 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 10:17 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:53 am

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:37 am

I'm sorry, but that's wrong, Goldfan. Mo had almost 30 years with the Cardinals, and had a hand in a number of the successes over those years. He contributed while performing a number of jobs at different levels. I'm not a fan of what transpired over the past few years, but I'll give a degree of credit where credit is due to a long standing employee.

Whatever success you wish to attribute to him….the gigantic historic hole he left the org will be his lasting legacy. This team might not avg over 20K in attendance next season…..the ultimate barometer
And it’s an undeniable fact that when he and BDW decided they were going to exclusively captain the ship it slowly took on water and has now finally sunk

GF,

I think you and Cranny both have valid points. Though the organization is in a rough spot right now, Mo also oversaw one of the finest eras of Cardinals baseball. Sure you ascribe some of that success to Jocketty, LaRussa, etc. (no argument here), but he was still the head of the organization and will be attributed those achievements. As much as I hate where we are today, I still recognize our great decade plus long run.

I think with time Mo will be recognized/received better than he is today. The current state is too fresh, but with time (and a return to prominence), I think Cards fans will look back more favorably on his tenure.

TLR strong armed him to get the players he wanted. Luhnow developed the system that produced those good to very good internal fellas in the teens. When Mo was left on his own he was terrible. If you want to give him credit for having the title…..have at it. Do you think this chitshow was cultivated through Great leadership???

I am well aware of TLR's pull within the organization (and glad he had it!!). But at the end of the day, Mo had a pretty good run. Compare his tenure with any of his contemporaries and you will see that overall, he did a fantastic job. Again, I too am as disappointed as the next guy in how it ended, but being rational and looking at the entire era, I would say he should be recognized one day. Nothing wrong with that.

Pujols, a sure fire HOFer, isnt going to be penalized fpr his lackluster years in Anaheim is he?

Nobody is perfect, but his overall legacy has been very good!

And again, I am no Mo apologist. Should he be recognized right away? Of course not. But in due time, he will be. You'll be surprised what time can do (and what a turnaround to greatness for the Cards will do) to people and theur feelings.

A rational post. Thank you, Cardinals4Life. Too bad there's so much hate from others.

Thanks.
I understand the hate and frustration. The past several years have been frustrating to go through. However, we also witnessed perhaps the greatest era in Cards history with Mo at the helm. He had a really good run that ended poorly. Overall, though, a very successful tenure. Again, "the passage of time" (sorry, tried to not laugh when I typed that ....some of you will get that...) will likely soften the negativity a lot are feeling right now.

Some don't understand the breadth and depth of the duties of the POBO/GM. I remember Gary Laroque at Winter Warm Up
telling Mo stories. One was about a player Mo was promoting from AAA to the majors to fill the spot of an injured ML player. He called Gary at 3am to ask him who should be promoted from AA to AAA to fill the player's spot. Gary said he would think about it and call Mo back. Mo called him again at 4am to ask him if he had made a decision yet.

Cranny,

Mo was paid handsomely to wake up at 3AM. Heck he could’ve been in time zone where it wasn’t 3am when calling…..at any rate Nothing which you’ve written has contradicted the extremely poor job he has done the last decade. An ENTIRE DECADE. He and BDW let the minor league development system ROT. People in the industry were astounded how behind other MLB orgs they had become. WHO is responsible for that??? And this is after TLR left and BDW/MO stressed the path forward was developing from within. It boggles the mind just thinking about that. We can rehash ALL the terrible FA signings and Contracts he passed out. And finally destroyed the fanbase……in ST. LOUIS….almost impossible but he did it. There is a point which is reached where celebrating any success has been way surpassed by the complete collapse he presided over.

Agreed Goldfan. Imagine the Cards as an airplane. Mo may have been the "pilot" of the plane for many years, but once the "pilot" crashes the plane, you don't celebrate the pilot! Mo was able to keep the plane in the air for a while after Walt, Jeff, and Tony, had left the cockpit. But when Mo was left alone in the cockpit for the last 10-15 years, he was slowly crashing the plane into the ground during that timeframe. In the airline world, no one celebrates the pilot who crashed the plane. And certainly, no one puts a pilot who crashed a perfectly good flying plane, into any Hall of Fame! Get Mo a parting Rolex and a plaque for his years of service, but then lets call it a day!

I'll take the opinion of another POBO in the Central Division who told me "Mo is one of the most respected men in
all of MLB". A peer over a bunch of hateful folks on a faceless anonymous forum.

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 14:09 pm

OldRed wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 13:19 pmI wouldn't really say his second term as pretty bad.


Second term as Cardinals' general manager

In 1968, led by Gibson's all-time record 1.12 earned run average, the Cardinals repeated as NL champions and held a three games to one lead in the World Series against the Detroit Tigers, but lost the final three contests to be denied back-to-back world titles. Suddenly, Devine was faced with retooling an aging roster. Brock and Gibson remained Cardinal mainstays, but Devine traded Cepeda to the Atlanta Braves after the 1968 season, then dealt Flood and McCarver to Philadelphia following the 1969 campaign. In the Cepeda deal, Devine acquired Joe Torre, who won the 1971 NL batting average championship and the league's Most Valuable Player award. But the Cardinals suffered long-term damage when Busch ordered Devine to trade star left-handed pitcher Steve Carlton in 1972 after a salary dispute. Carlton, coming off his first 20-win season, was sent to the Phillies for pitcher Rick Wise, an uneven swap that helped to turn the last-place Phillies into contenders.


From 1981 to 1986, he was club president of the St. Louis Cardinals of the NFL

If we’re going to give him the Mo treatment, he only won an NL Pennant off the back of the previous GM, who put the team together. He didn’t do much after that. Again, if he’s getting the Mo treatment, then I don’t care if the owner forced him to trade Steve Carlton. He made the trade, it falls on him. I’m sure BDW put quite a few constraints on Mo and made him do things that he might now have been comfortable with.