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ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025 16:31 pm

CCard wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025 14:01 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025 09:26 am

CCard wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 21:53 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:17 am If we had a manager or staff who played the game at this level they could be the leader.

So because they won't sign major league talent it's the manager's fault. LOL

Marmol's last place 2023 team had Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, O'Neill and Wainwright. Plenty of veteran presence.

Whitey Herzog took the cards to the world series in 82, 85, and 87. In between he had losing seasons. What's your point? Managers don't hit, field, throw or pitch. They can only move pieces around in hopes of them working out. If a million dollar contract can't motivate a player, I doubt anything anybody says will.

Herzog was the last manager to take the Cardinals to the world series with Pujols on the team until Matheny.

I think "motivating" players is a misnomer. They are professional athletes. You don't get that far without motivation. One reason Marmol calling out O'Neill was asinine.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025 18:56 pm I’m not sure if Scotch is “retarded” or not, but I am sure I have some family members with both physical and mental developmental challenges.

So, thanks for the insensitivity towards others who may not have been as fortunate as yourself.

Merry Christmas

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025 21:15 pm

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025 18:56 pm I’m not sure if Scotch is “retarded” or not, but I am sure I have some family members with both physical and mental developmental challenges.

So, thanks for the insensitivity towards others who may not have been as fortunate as yourself.

Merry Christmas

No prob, ret@rd.

Now let’s hear more about you wanting to sign a 4th OFer for 2yrs/20mil…

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025 16:31 pm

CCard wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025 14:01 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025 09:26 am

CCard wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 21:53 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:17 am If we had a manager or staff who played the game at this level they could be the leader.

So because they won't sign major league talent it's the manager's fault. LOL

Marmol's last place 2023 team had Goldschmidt, Arenado, Contreras, O'Neill and Wainwright. Plenty of veteran presence.

Whitey Herzog took the cards to the world series in 82, 85, and 87. In between he had losing seasons. What's your point? Managers don't hit, field, throw or pitch. They can only move pieces around in hopes of them working out. If a million dollar contract can't motivate a player, I doubt anything anybody says will.

Herzog was the last manager to take the Cardinals to the world series with Pujols on the team until Matheny.

I think "motivating" players is a misnomer. They are professional athletes. You don't get that far without motivation. One reason Marmol calling out O'Neill was asinine.

Melville wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 09:58 am Interesting question.
Let's take it further.
If and when Donovan is traded, who of the remaining Cardinals would be looked at as "the leader" by the other players?
I believe I know.

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 12:48 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 11:02 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 08:05 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 07:17 am If we had a manager or staff who played the game at this level they could be the leader.

So teams don't need an actual player who's a leader?

So no one on the Cards staff has played In MLB?


You'd be wrong, twice

I remember hearing that Herzog went to Ozzie Smith and asked him to work with Willie McGee when McGee was acquired. That's the manager being a leader and turning a player into a leader.

And you know that Oli has never done that?

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025 21:15 pm

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025 18:56 pm I’m not sure if Scotch is “retarded” or not, but I am sure I have some family members with both physical and mental developmental challenges.

So, thanks for the insensitivity towards others who may not have been as fortunate as yourself.

Merry Christmas

No prob, ret@rd.

Now let’s hear more about you wanting to sign a 4th OFer for 2yrs/20mil…