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ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 13:31 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 13:08 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 10:58 am Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

All 3 starters are coming off injury. The one who pitched more than 50 innings was a 1 year deal, designed to be flipped at the trade deadline. The offense is worse without Contreras, and we are about to trade Donovan. There is no interest in competing for 2026 being shown on management’s part.

The rotation is set up to be better than 2025. And they may still add another starter.

The offense: it’s not even Xmas yet. You really think the only thing Bloom does to the offense is remove BD and WC from it?

Bloom’s words in the recent article tells you everything you need to know as to what the front office/ownership believes about 2026… and it is their belief, and only their belief, that matters. The overriding principle guiding Bloom’s decisions couldn’t have been made any clearer: if there is a conflict between the short-term and long-term benefit, the long-term consideration will prevail.

Sure they want to compete and win as much as reasonably possible during 2026…they want to sell tickets and bring in revenue. But can you imagine any current team that truly believes it can compete in 2026 for a division title or playoff making that statement? Can you imagine any such team restricting its current signings to only those that don’t conflict with the L-T? What does that tell you about their belief and outlook for 2026? What does that tell you as to whether they plan to throw any significant money at 2026?

Everything they have done so far reflects the principle of prioritizing the L-T over 2026. Trading their best pitcher and trading one of their best hitters, both in return for prospects. And as Midrange Jay noted, the May signing fits the principle as the classic 1-year signing of a risky high upside player that may potentially be flipped at the deadline if he does well.

Prioritizing L-T over 2026 is very restrictive as to what the team will do this offseason. When considering opportunity costs, the negative effect on 2027/2028 that any new multi-year signing would potentially have, and the possible upcoming lockout, there aren’t many signings where the S-T benefit for 2026 won’t conflict with the L-T.

Clubmaker2 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 14:37 pm They trash S Gray saying he didn't go deep enough and tout replacements of which none have pitched as many innings last season or this next season as he has pitched for the cardinals. Pitched enough to be Qualified starters nope.

Gray couldn’t pitch in the heat or on the road he is not hard to replace. He’s also a good bet to end up on the IL next season

Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 13:36 pmI guess it’s all relative. You think replacing high ERA old fellas with High ERA younger fellas is some sort of advancement. Last I check you need 5 live bodies every day….
Gray, Miles, Fedde, Matz, Helsley Gone
And you’re excited about May, Dobbins, Fitts???

Of course it’s an advancement. Do you think spending $25 million ($35 million this year) on Gray, $18 million for Mikolas, $7.5 million for Fedde, $12.5 for Matz, and $2.1 million for Pallante is a good use of resources? I’d much rather have high ERA young players who are making league minimum than spending $65 million on high ERA old ones.

I applaud every move made thus far, but let's not get it twisted. These moves are in no way meant to win, or even try to win, this year.

These moves are for two things…

1. To mitigate the financial exposure when the lockout happens.

2. To bolster the farm so we are in a better place to compete post-lockout.

Bloom is doing just fine so far.

It's laughable the propaganda and trolling arguing how losing a guy who ranked among starters as a one or top level two in era and innings pitched and strikeouts is easily improved on by somebody has never done any of that. Keep trolling. You will miss SG....you guys are just bad fans and haters to badmouth a cardinal like that lol

Edit:: also this forum has decided new for this off-season that no player projects higher than another simply because they could be hurt...so..all players are the same lol

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 15:42 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 13:36 pmI guess it’s all relative. You think replacing high ERA old fellas with High ERA younger fellas is some sort of advancement. Last I check you need 5 live bodies every day….
Gray, Miles, Fedde, Matz, Helsley Gone
And you’re excited about May, Dobbins, Fitts???

Of course it’s an advancement. Do you think spending $25 million ($35 million this year) on Gray, $18 million for Mikolas, $7.5 million for Fedde, $12.5 for Matz, and $2.1 million for Pallante is a good use of resources? I’d much rather have high ERA young players who are making league minimum than spending $65 million on high ERA old ones.

I’m not talking about the money, I’m referring to the player quality(talent, production). You can worry about being BDW accountant. I’m looking at performance on the mound. It appears to be the same or less

Clubmaker2 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 15:53 pm It's laughable the propaganda and trolling arguing how losing a guy who ranked among starters as a one or top level two in era and innings pitched and strikeouts is easily improved on by somebody has never done any of that. Keep trolling. You will miss SG....you guys are just bad fans and haters to badmouth a cardinal like that lol

It's laughable that someone is unaware of the current state of the operation

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 15:49 pm I applaud every move made thus far, but let's not get it twisted. These moves are in no way meant to win, or even try to win, this year.

These moves are for two things…

1. To mitigate the financial exposure when the lockout happens.

2. To bolster the farm so we are in a better place to compete post-lockout.

Bloom is doing just fine so far.

He sure is. Beefing up the starting staff for 2026 as well as getting some very high ceiling pitchers in the lower minors.
Can’t wait to see what he does on the position player side of the equation between now and February.

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 16:03 pm

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 15:49 pm I applaud every move made thus far, but let's not get it twisted. These moves are in no way meant to win, or even try to win, this year.

These moves are for two things…

1. To mitigate the financial exposure when the lockout happens.

2. To bolster the farm so we are in a better place to compete post-lockout.

Bloom is doing just fine so far.

He sure is. Beefing up the starting staff for 2026 as well as getting some very high ceiling pitchers in the lower minors.
Can’t wait to see what he does on the position player side of the equation between now and February.

Same here.

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 16:03 pm

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 15:49 pm I applaud every move made thus far, but let's not get it twisted. These moves are in no way meant to win, or even try to win, this year.

These moves are for two things…

1. To mitigate the financial exposure when the lockout happens.

2. To bolster the farm so we are in a better place to compete post-lockout.

Bloom is doing just fine so far.

He sure is. Beefing up the starting staff for 2026 as well as getting some very high ceiling pitchers in the lower minors.
Can’t wait to see what he does on the position player side of the equation between now and February.

Beefing up the starting staff for 2026??? Who…..How??? The 2 fellas had losing records with 5.00ERA’s and they threw well under 100innings
I suppose they’ll fit right in with this staff…..Beefing UP??

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 13:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 13:36 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:05 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:00 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 10:58 am Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

I dig the Dustin May move. The other guys? We already had plenty of #5 starters that might or might not even reach 130 innings.

Is Gray a 5th starter?

2025 starter ERAs
McGreevy 4.70
Libby 4.21
Gray 4.28
Dobbins 4.13

So Dobbins was on track for a better season before injury.

I guess it’s all relative. You think replacing high ERA old fellas with High ERA younger fellas is some sort of advancement. Last I check you need 5 live bodies every day….
Gray, Miles, Fedde, Matz, Helsley Gone
And you’re excited about May, Dobbins, Fitts???

I am excited about the new young blood taking the field. Its a different approach and I love it.

There's 2 roads we all have the right to choose. The optimistic road, or the doom and gloom, everybody sucks road. Im on the optimistic road.

you are not alone as I've read the same sentiment countless times on here ... now, you guys need to buy lots and lots of tickets since those of us who have been going the last few years aren't paying to see this tank job!

dugoutrex wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 16:19 pm

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 13:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 13:36 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:05 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:00 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 10:58 am Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

I dig the Dustin May move. The other guys? We already had plenty of #5 starters that might or might not even reach 130 innings.

Is Gray a 5th starter?

2025 starter ERAs
McGreevy 4.70
Libby 4.21
Gray 4.28
Dobbins 4.13

So Dobbins was on track for a better season before injury.

I guess it’s all relative. You think replacing high ERA old fellas with High ERA younger fellas is some sort of advancement. Last I check you need 5 live bodies every day….
Gray, Miles, Fedde, Matz, Helsley Gone
And you’re excited about May, Dobbins, Fitts???

I am excited about the new young blood taking the field. Its a different approach and I love it.

There's 2 roads we all have the right to choose. The optimistic road, or the doom and gloom, everybody sucks road. Im on the optimistic road.

you are not alone as I've read the same sentiment countless times on here ... now, you guys need to buy lots and lots of tickets since those of us who have been going the last few years aren't paying to see this tank job!

No one cares about band wagon fans so you won’t be missed

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 16:23 pm

dugoutrex wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 16:19 pm

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 13:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 13:36 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:05 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:00 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 10:58 am Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

I dig the Dustin May move. The other guys? We already had plenty of #5 starters that might or might not even reach 130 innings.

Is Gray a 5th starter?

2025 starter ERAs
McGreevy 4.70
Libby 4.21
Gray 4.28
Dobbins 4.13

So Dobbins was on track for a better season before injury.

I guess it’s all relative. You think replacing high ERA old fellas with High ERA younger fellas is some sort of advancement. Last I check you need 5 live bodies every day….
Gray, Miles, Fedde, Matz, Helsley Gone
And you’re excited about May, Dobbins, Fitts???

I am excited about the new young blood taking the field. Its a different approach and I love it.

There's 2 roads we all have the right to choose. The optimistic road, or the doom and gloom, everybody sucks road. Im on the optimistic road.

you are not alone as I've read the same sentiment countless times on here ... now, you guys need to buy lots and lots of tickets since those of us who have been going the last few years aren't paying to see this tank job!

No one cares about band wagon fans so you won’t be missed

lol - good one!

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 10:58 am Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

Overhauled what? Adding minor league pitchers is not overhauling anything. Yes, trading away your best pitcher and best hitter and soon to be traded Donovan does equal tanking. When your plan is to not compete that equals tanking. Yes, yes it does.

CCard wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 16:30 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 10:58 am Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

Overhauled what? Adding minor league pitchers is not overhauling anything. Yes, trading away your best pitcher and best hitter and soon to be traded Donovan does equal tanking. When your plan is to not compete that equals tanking. Yes, yes it does.

They added three major league starters who could be good or better than their replacements. So the starting pitching can be better year over year.

Regarding the offense, the offseason isn’t over yet.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 16:53 pm

CCard wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 16:30 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 10:58 am Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

Overhauled what? Adding minor league pitchers is not overhauling anything. Yes, trading away your best pitcher and best hitter and soon to be traded Donovan does equal tanking. When your plan is to not compete that equals tanking. Yes, yes it does.

They added three major league starters who could be good or better than their replacements. So the starting pitching can be better year over year.

Regarding the offense, the offseason isn’t over yet.

May
7-11, 4.96 ERA, 1.421 WHIP pitching for 2 of the best teams in MLB
Fitts,
2-4, 5.00ERA, 1.311 WHIP
Dobbins
4-1, 4.13ERA, 1.279WHIP
Boston Red Sox pitcher Hunter Dobbins suffered a season-ending torn right ACL in July 2025 while covering first base, marking his second ACL tear in that knee (he also tore it in high school). He underwent surgery in August 2025 and is aiming for a full recovery by Opening Day 2026, with his recovery progressing well as of late 2025.

How many times can an ACL be repaired and expected to be the push leg for a RHP in the MLB??