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CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:56 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:41 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:38 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:18 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:14 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:59 am

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:42 am

Ace wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 09:09 am I like the approach so far, but definitely understand why Boston was willing to send off both these players.

Whiff rate on fastballs in 2025:

Dobbins 11.9%
Yhoiker Fajardo 12.9%

Average is usually around 21-22%, this is considerably low. However, I like the makeup of both players, both can throw mid 90s and have an arsenal of breaking pitches. Hopefully they can improve on their fastballs.

The minor leagues is littered with guys like these. Maybe one will be a lottery ticket, probably not though. You can pick these guys up in the rule 5 all the time. This was a salary dump, plain and simple. They haven't forced enough losing on the "spoiled" Cards fans. Got to make them appreciate when they spend money to win. LOL "They've coddled these fans too much!"

not sure how many 18yo's with control and K's you can pick up in the Rule 5 draft....none.

Salary Dump, yes....Asset acquisition, yes.... Both sides of the Betching Coin can be happy same time

LOL...Assets? Boston sure was quick to give up on the "18 year old with control and K's". I think maybe you might not have gotten the memo about salary dumping.

LOL I think you don't know [shirt] about Prospects. So there's that Boston fans are pretty upset they had to part with Fajardo. Did we not send you the memo? It can be both...Salary Dump and Asset Acquisition

Did you talk to all the Boston fans? I didn't think so. Prospects have one thing in common, most of them wind up being mediocre or failing. Let me ask you this. Would you rather have a proven hitter that hits 20 homeruns and is feared at the plate or a minor league pitcher that hasn't cracked the big leagues yet and doesn't miss bats? Go ahead, you can answer truthfully.

he's an asset...and a good one at that....He impresses Baseball America and MlB.com.

I agree with you on the Salary Dump, but we were lucky to get back a good prospect...he may succeed, he may fail...but he's much better than what we got for all the relief trades we made in July.

It's both....be happy...you're right and wrong...but that's a good thing in this case

I'd prefer to watch a competitive team in St Louis as opposed to hearing about a minor league pitcher maybe developing in the minors. But that's just me, I like to watch a competitive Cards team only.

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 13:02 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:56 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:41 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:38 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:18 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:14 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:59 am

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:42 am

Ace wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 09:09 am I like the approach so far, but definitely understand why Boston was willing to send off both these players.

Whiff rate on fastballs in 2025:

Dobbins 11.9%
Yhoiker Fajardo 12.9%

Average is usually around 21-22%, this is considerably low. However, I like the makeup of both players, both can throw mid 90s and have an arsenal of breaking pitches. Hopefully they can improve on their fastballs.

The minor leagues is littered with guys like these. Maybe one will be a lottery ticket, probably not though. You can pick these guys up in the rule 5 all the time. This was a salary dump, plain and simple. They haven't forced enough losing on the "spoiled" Cards fans. Got to make them appreciate when they spend money to win. LOL "They've coddled these fans too much!"

not sure how many 18yo's with control and K's you can pick up in the Rule 5 draft....none.

Salary Dump, yes....Asset acquisition, yes.... Both sides of the Betching Coin can be happy same time

LOL...Assets? Boston sure was quick to give up on the "18 year old with control and K's". I think maybe you might not have gotten the memo about salary dumping.

LOL I think you don't know [shirt] about Prospects. So there's that Boston fans are pretty upset they had to part with Fajardo. Did we not send you the memo? It can be both...Salary Dump and Asset Acquisition

Did you talk to all the Boston fans? I didn't think so. Prospects have one thing in common, most of them wind up being mediocre or failing. Let me ask you this. Would you rather have a proven hitter that hits 20 homeruns and is feared at the plate or a minor league pitcher that hasn't cracked the big leagues yet and doesn't miss bats? Go ahead, you can answer truthfully.

he's an asset...and a good one at that....He impresses Baseball America and MlB.com.

I agree with you on the Salary Dump, but we were lucky to get back a good prospect...he may succeed, he may fail...but he's much better than what we got for all the relief trades we made in July.

It's both....be happy...you're right and wrong...but that's a good thing in this case

I'd prefer to watch a competitive team in St Louis as opposed to hearing about a minor league pitcher maybe developing in the minors. But that's just me, I like to watch a competitive Cards team only.

I appreciate that. I like competitive teams as well...but our Organization was broken, and needed a reset on all sides. I'm okay with fixing the problem this way. We tried sweeping the issues under the rug like you want to do for so long...but the core guys got way too old and the newbies couldn't carry the team. Our hands are forced.

Let them fix the problems...it'll take 1-2 years, but I promise you, we'll likely come out smelling like roses in the end.

renostl wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 13:53 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:56 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:41 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:38 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:18 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:14 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:59 am

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:42 am

Ace wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 09:09 am I like the approach so far, but definitely understand why Boston was willing to send off both these players.

Whiff rate on fastballs in 2025:

Dobbins 11.9%
Yhoiker Fajardo 12.9%

Average is usually around 21-22%, this is considerably low. However, I like the makeup of both players, both can throw mid 90s and have an arsenal of breaking pitches. Hopefully they can improve on their fastballs.

The minor leagues is littered with guys like these. Maybe one will be a lottery ticket, probably not though. You can pick these guys up in the rule 5 all the time. This was a salary dump, plain and simple. They haven't forced enough losing on the "spoiled" Cards fans. Got to make them appreciate when they spend money to win. LOL "They've coddled these fans too much!"

not sure how many 18yo's with control and K's you can pick up in the Rule 5 draft....none.

Salary Dump, yes....Asset acquisition, yes.... Both sides of the Betching Coin can be happy same time

LOL...Assets? Boston sure was quick to give up on the "18 year old with control and K's". I think maybe you might not have gotten the memo about salary dumping.

LOL I think you don't know [shirt] about Prospects. So there's that Boston fans are pretty upset they had to part with Fajardo. Did we not send you the memo? It can be both...Salary Dump and Asset Acquisition

Did you talk to all the Boston fans? I didn't think so. Prospects have one thing in common, most of them wind up being mediocre or failing. Let me ask you this. Would you rather have a proven hitter that hits 20 homeruns and is feared at the plate or a minor league pitcher that hasn't cracked the big leagues yet and doesn't miss bats? Go ahead, you can answer truthfully.

he's an asset...and a good one at that....He impresses Baseball America and MlB.com.

I agree with you on the Salary Dump, but we were lucky to get back a good prospect...he may succeed, he may fail...but he's much better than what we got for all the relief trades we made in July.

It's both....be happy...you're right and wrong...but that's a good thing in this case

I'd prefer to watch a competitive team in St Louis as opposed to hearing about a minor league pitcher maybe developing in the minors. But that's just me, I like to watch a competitive Cards team only.

Every fan does; you are not alone.
It is what most here have in common.

The method of how to get there is the debate. It turns out that everyway fails
more times than it finds success. There is a plan though now which might be better
than the Band aide plan. We need to see what the OD
roster looks like. 2025 was one of the all-time bad roster constructions.

They do have to spend though, and they will need to be selective, smart, and lucky.

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 13:02 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:56 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:41 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:38 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:18 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:14 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:59 am

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:42 am

Ace wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 09:09 am I like the approach so far, but definitely understand why Boston was willing to send off both these players.

Whiff rate on fastballs in 2025:

Dobbins 11.9%
Yhoiker Fajardo 12.9%

Average is usually around 21-22%, this is considerably low. However, I like the makeup of both players, both can throw mid 90s and have an arsenal of breaking pitches. Hopefully they can improve on their fastballs.

The minor leagues is littered with guys like these. Maybe one will be a lottery ticket, probably not though. You can pick these guys up in the rule 5 all the time. This was a salary dump, plain and simple. They haven't forced enough losing on the "spoiled" Cards fans. Got to make them appreciate when they spend money to win. LOL "They've coddled these fans too much!"

not sure how many 18yo's with control and K's you can pick up in the Rule 5 draft....none.

Salary Dump, yes....Asset acquisition, yes.... Both sides of the Betching Coin can be happy same time

LOL...Assets? Boston sure was quick to give up on the "18 year old with control and K's". I think maybe you might not have gotten the memo about salary dumping.

LOL I think you don't know [shirt] about Prospects. So there's that Boston fans are pretty upset they had to part with Fajardo. Did we not send you the memo? It can be both...Salary Dump and Asset Acquisition

Did you talk to all the Boston fans? I didn't think so. Prospects have one thing in common, most of them wind up being mediocre or failing. Let me ask you this. Would you rather have a proven hitter that hits 20 homeruns and is feared at the plate or a minor league pitcher that hasn't cracked the big leagues yet and doesn't miss bats? Go ahead, you can answer truthfully.

he's an asset...and a good one at that....He impresses Baseball America and MlB.com.

I agree with you on the Salary Dump, but we were lucky to get back a good prospect...he may succeed, he may fail...but he's much better than what we got for all the relief trades we made in July.

It's both....be happy...you're right and wrong...but that's a good thing in this case

I'd prefer to watch a competitive team in St Louis as opposed to hearing about a minor league pitcher maybe developing in the minors. But that's just me, I like to watch a competitive Cards team only.

I appreciate that. I like competitive teams as well...but our Organization was broken, and needed a reset on all sides. I'm okay with fixing the problem this way. We tried sweeping the issues under the rug like you want to do for so long...but the core guys got way too old and the newbies couldn't carry the team. Our hands are forced.

Let them fix the problems...it'll take 1-2 years, but I promise you, we'll likely come out smelling like roses in the end.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:58 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:56 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:41 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:38 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:18 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:14 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:59 am

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:42 am

Ace wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 09:09 am I like the approach so far, but definitely understand why Boston was willing to send off both these players.

Whiff rate on fastballs in 2025:

Dobbins 11.9%
Yhoiker Fajardo 12.9%

Average is usually around 21-22%, this is considerably low. However, I like the makeup of both players, both can throw mid 90s and have an arsenal of breaking pitches. Hopefully they can improve on their fastballs.

The minor leagues is littered with guys like these. Maybe one will be a lottery ticket, probably not though. You can pick these guys up in the rule 5 all the time. This was a salary dump, plain and simple. They haven't forced enough losing on the "spoiled" Cards fans. Got to make them appreciate when they spend money to win. LOL "They've coddled these fans too much!"

not sure how many 18yo's with control and K's you can pick up in the Rule 5 draft....none.

Salary Dump, yes....Asset acquisition, yes.... Both sides of the Betching Coin can be happy same time

LOL...Assets? Boston sure was quick to give up on the "18 year old with control and K's". I think maybe you might not have gotten the memo about salary dumping.

LOL I think you don't know [shirt] about Prospects. So there's that Boston fans are pretty upset they had to part with Fajardo. Did we not send you the memo? It can be both...Salary Dump and Asset Acquisition

Did you talk to all the Boston fans? I didn't think so. Prospects have one thing in common, most of them wind up being mediocre or failing. Let me ask you this. Would you rather have a proven hitter that hits 20 homeruns and is feared at the plate or a minor league pitcher that hasn't cracked the big leagues yet and doesn't miss bats? Go ahead, you can answer truthfully.

he's an asset...and a good one at that....He impresses Baseball America and MlB.com.

I agree with you on the Salary Dump, but we were lucky to get back a good prospect...he may succeed, he may fail...but he's much better than what we got for all the relief trades we made in July.

It's both....be happy...you're right and wrong...but that's a good thing in this case

I'd prefer to watch a competitive team in St Louis as opposed to hearing about a minor league pitcher maybe developing in the minors. But that's just me, I like to watch a competitive Cards team only.

So you havent watched them the past three years then

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:40 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:58 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:56 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:41 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:38 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:18 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:14 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:59 am

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:42 am

Ace wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 09:09 am I like the approach so far, but definitely understand why Boston was willing to send off both these players.

Whiff rate on fastballs in 2025:

Dobbins 11.9%
Yhoiker Fajardo 12.9%

Average is usually around 21-22%, this is considerably low. However, I like the makeup of both players, both can throw mid 90s and have an arsenal of breaking pitches. Hopefully they can improve on their fastballs.

The minor leagues is littered with guys like these. Maybe one will be a lottery ticket, probably not though. You can pick these guys up in the rule 5 all the time. This was a salary dump, plain and simple. They haven't forced enough losing on the "spoiled" Cards fans. Got to make them appreciate when they spend money to win. LOL "They've coddled these fans too much!"

not sure how many 18yo's with control and K's you can pick up in the Rule 5 draft....none.

Salary Dump, yes....Asset acquisition, yes.... Both sides of the Betching Coin can be happy same time

LOL...Assets? Boston sure was quick to give up on the "18 year old with control and K's". I think maybe you might not have gotten the memo about salary dumping.

LOL I think you don't know [shirt] about Prospects. So there's that Boston fans are pretty upset they had to part with Fajardo. Did we not send you the memo? It can be both...Salary Dump and Asset Acquisition

Did you talk to all the Boston fans? I didn't think so. Prospects have one thing in common, most of them wind up being mediocre or failing. Let me ask you this. Would you rather have a proven hitter that hits 20 homeruns and is feared at the plate or a minor league pitcher that hasn't cracked the big leagues yet and doesn't miss bats? Go ahead, you can answer truthfully.

he's an asset...and a good one at that....He impresses Baseball America and MlB.com.

I agree with you on the Salary Dump, but we were lucky to get back a good prospect...he may succeed, he may fail...but he's much better than what we got for all the relief trades we made in July.

It's both....be happy...you're right and wrong...but that's a good thing in this case

I'd prefer to watch a competitive team in St Louis as opposed to hearing about a minor league pitcher maybe developing in the minors. But that's just me, I like to watch a competitive Cards team only.

So you havent watched them the past three years then

Yep, they won 78 games last year. With a decent top tier pitcher and kicking Pallante to the bullpen and replacing Mikolas with a something better, they would have contended for a playoff spot and possibly done something. But instead, they stuck with guys that drug the team down. Hell, even before that they went out and got Lynn and Gibson and barely missed the playoffs. Now you're going to see a really futile effort for the Cards unless they change course and sign some major talent.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:44 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:40 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:58 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:56 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:41 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:38 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:18 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:14 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:59 am

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:42 am

Ace wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 09:09 am I like the approach so far, but definitely understand why Boston was willing to send off both these players.

Whiff rate on fastballs in 2025:

Dobbins 11.9%
Yhoiker Fajardo 12.9%

Average is usually around 21-22%, this is considerably low. However, I like the makeup of both players, both can throw mid 90s and have an arsenal of breaking pitches. Hopefully they can improve on their fastballs.

The minor leagues is littered with guys like these. Maybe one will be a lottery ticket, probably not though. You can pick these guys up in the rule 5 all the time. This was a salary dump, plain and simple. They haven't forced enough losing on the "spoiled" Cards fans. Got to make them appreciate when they spend money to win. LOL "They've coddled these fans too much!"

not sure how many 18yo's with control and K's you can pick up in the Rule 5 draft....none.

Salary Dump, yes....Asset acquisition, yes.... Both sides of the Betching Coin can be happy same time

LOL...Assets? Boston sure was quick to give up on the "18 year old with control and K's". I think maybe you might not have gotten the memo about salary dumping.

LOL I think you don't know [shirt] about Prospects. So there's that Boston fans are pretty upset they had to part with Fajardo. Did we not send you the memo? It can be both...Salary Dump and Asset Acquisition

Did you talk to all the Boston fans? I didn't think so. Prospects have one thing in common, most of them wind up being mediocre or failing. Let me ask you this. Would you rather have a proven hitter that hits 20 homeruns and is feared at the plate or a minor league pitcher that hasn't cracked the big leagues yet and doesn't miss bats? Go ahead, you can answer truthfully.

he's an asset...and a good one at that....He impresses Baseball America and MlB.com.

I agree with you on the Salary Dump, but we were lucky to get back a good prospect...he may succeed, he may fail...but he's much better than what we got for all the relief trades we made in July.

It's both....be happy...you're right and wrong...but that's a good thing in this case

I'd prefer to watch a competitive team in St Louis as opposed to hearing about a minor league pitcher maybe developing in the minors. But that's just me, I like to watch a competitive Cards team only.

So you havent watched them the past three years then

Yep, they won 78 games last year. With a decent top tier pitcher and kicking Pallante to the bullpen and replacing Mikolas with a something better, they would have contended for a playoff spot and possibly done something. But instead, they stuck with guys that drug the team down. Hell, even before that they went out and got Lynn and Gibson and barely missed the playoffs. Now you're going to see a really futile effort for the Cards unless they change course and sign some major talent.

And do you know why they were stuck with them in the rotation? Because their pitching depth sucked and didn’t have anyone to replace them. With all the pitchers bloom is bringing in and is still going to sign another veteran starter if a starter is sucking they will have plenty of depth to replace them instead of having to run the same imploding pitchers out game after game

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 22:03 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:44 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:40 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:58 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:56 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:41 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:38 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:18 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:14 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:59 am

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:42 am

Ace wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 09:09 am I like the approach so far, but definitely understand why Boston was willing to send off both these players.

Whiff rate on fastballs in 2025:

Dobbins 11.9%
Yhoiker Fajardo 12.9%

Average is usually around 21-22%, this is considerably low. However, I like the makeup of both players, both can throw mid 90s and have an arsenal of breaking pitches. Hopefully they can improve on their fastballs.

The minor leagues is littered with guys like these. Maybe one will be a lottery ticket, probably not though. You can pick these guys up in the rule 5 all the time. This was a salary dump, plain and simple. They haven't forced enough losing on the "spoiled" Cards fans. Got to make them appreciate when they spend money to win. LOL "They've coddled these fans too much!"

not sure how many 18yo's with control and K's you can pick up in the Rule 5 draft....none.

Salary Dump, yes....Asset acquisition, yes.... Both sides of the Betching Coin can be happy same time

LOL...Assets? Boston sure was quick to give up on the "18 year old with control and K's". I think maybe you might not have gotten the memo about salary dumping.

LOL I think you don't know [shirt] about Prospects. So there's that Boston fans are pretty upset they had to part with Fajardo. Did we not send you the memo? It can be both...Salary Dump and Asset Acquisition

Did you talk to all the Boston fans? I didn't think so. Prospects have one thing in common, most of them wind up being mediocre or failing. Let me ask you this. Would you rather have a proven hitter that hits 20 homeruns and is feared at the plate or a minor league pitcher that hasn't cracked the big leagues yet and doesn't miss bats? Go ahead, you can answer truthfully.

he's an asset...and a good one at that....He impresses Baseball America and MlB.com.

I agree with you on the Salary Dump, but we were lucky to get back a good prospect...he may succeed, he may fail...but he's much better than what we got for all the relief trades we made in July.

It's both....be happy...you're right and wrong...but that's a good thing in this case

I'd prefer to watch a competitive team in St Louis as opposed to hearing about a minor league pitcher maybe developing in the minors. But that's just me, I like to watch a competitive Cards team only.

So you havent watched them the past three years then

Yep, they won 78 games last year. With a decent top tier pitcher and kicking Pallante to the bullpen and replacing Mikolas with a something better, they would have contended for a playoff spot and possibly done something. But instead, they stuck with guys that drug the team down. Hell, even before that they went out and got Lynn and Gibson and barely missed the playoffs. Now you're going to see a really futile effort for the Cards unless they change course and sign some major talent.

And do you know why they were stuck with them in the rotation? Because their pitching depth sucked and didn’t have anyone to replace them. With all the pitchers bloom is bringing in and is still going to sign another veteran starter if a starter is sucking they will have plenty of depth to replace them instead of having to run the same imploding pitchers out game after game

Depth? They had depth with Mikolas and Pallante in the rotation. How'd that go? It's not quantity that they should worry about, it's quality. Gray had blemishes no doubt but he was their best pitcher. Now they have to depend on minor league pitchers. Get ready for a lot of being down by 5 runs in the third bull$$$. They've made it clear they aren't going to sign any top tier talent. Get ready for the real losing, when the team is out 15-20 games by the trade deadline. Next up on the trade block then? Probably Winn. I mean who else will they have that's making money?

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 22:07 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 22:03 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:44 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:40 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:58 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:56 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:41 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:38 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:18 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:14 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:59 am

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:42 am

The minor leagues is littered with guys like these. Maybe one will be a lottery ticket, probably not though. You can pick these guys up in the rule 5 all the time. This was a salary dump, plain and simple. They haven't forced enough losing on the "spoiled" Cards fans. Got to make them appreciate when they spend money to win. LOL "They've coddled these fans too much!"

not sure how many 18yo's with control and K's you can pick up in the Rule 5 draft....none.

Salary Dump, yes....Asset acquisition, yes.... Both sides of the Betching Coin can be happy same time

LOL...Assets? Boston sure was quick to give up on the "18 year old with control and K's". I think maybe you might not have gotten the memo about salary dumping.

LOL I think you don't know [shirt] about Prospects. So there's that Boston fans are pretty upset they had to part with Fajardo. Did we not send you the memo? It can be both...Salary Dump and Asset Acquisition

Did you talk to all the Boston fans? I didn't think so. Prospects have one thing in common, most of them wind up being mediocre or failing. Let me ask you this. Would you rather have a proven hitter that hits 20 homeruns and is feared at the plate or a minor league pitcher that hasn't cracked the big leagues yet and doesn't miss bats? Go ahead, you can answer truthfully.

he's an asset...and a good one at that....He impresses Baseball America and MlB.com.

I agree with you on the Salary Dump, but we were lucky to get back a good prospect...he may succeed, he may fail...but he's much better than what we got for all the relief trades we made in July.

It's both....be happy...you're right and wrong...but that's a good thing in this case

I'd prefer to watch a competitive team in St Louis as opposed to hearing about a minor league pitcher maybe developing in the minors. But that's just me, I like to watch a competitive Cards team only.

So you havent watched them the past three years then

Yep, they won 78 games last year. With a decent top tier pitcher and kicking Pallante to the bullpen and replacing Mikolas with a something better, they would have contended for a playoff spot and possibly done something. But instead, they stuck with guys that drug the team down. Hell, even before that they went out and got Lynn and Gibson and barely missed the playoffs. Now you're going to see a really futile effort for the Cards unless they change course and sign some major talent.

And do you know why they were stuck with them in the rotation? Because their pitching depth sucked and didn’t have anyone to replace them. With all the pitchers bloom is bringing in and is still going to sign another veteran starter if a starter is sucking they will have plenty of depth to replace them instead of having to run the same imploding pitchers out game after game

Depth? They had depth with Mikolas and Pallante in the rotation. How'd that go? It's not quantity that they should worry about, it's quality. Gray had blemishes no doubt but he was their best pitcher. Now they have to depend on minor league pitchers. Get ready for a lot of being down by 5 runs in the third bull$$$. They've made it clear they aren't going to sign any top tier talent. Get ready for the real losing, when the team is out 15-20 games by the trade deadline. Next up on the trade block then? Probably Winn. I mean who else will they have that's making money?

What are you talking about? They had no depth last season that’s why they were stuck with pallante and mikolas and fedde instead of being able to replace them. And we saw the 5 runs down show last season with your precious overpaid veterans and the ace when it got got hot sucked and sucked on the road also

CCard wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 09:37 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 22:07 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 22:03 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:44 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:40 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:58 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:56 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:41 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:38 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:18 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:14 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 11:59 am

not sure how many 18yo's with control and K's you can pick up in the Rule 5 draft....none.

Salary Dump, yes....Asset acquisition, yes.... Both sides of the Betching Coin can be happy same time

LOL...Assets? Boston sure was quick to give up on the "18 year old with control and K's". I think maybe you might not have gotten the memo about salary dumping.

LOL I think you don't know [shirt] about Prospects. So there's that Boston fans are pretty upset they had to part with Fajardo. Did we not send you the memo? It can be both...Salary Dump and Asset Acquisition

Did you talk to all the Boston fans? I didn't think so. Prospects have one thing in common, most of them wind up being mediocre or failing. Let me ask you this. Would you rather have a proven hitter that hits 20 homeruns and is feared at the plate or a minor league pitcher that hasn't cracked the big leagues yet and doesn't miss bats? Go ahead, you can answer truthfully.

he's an asset...and a good one at that....He impresses Baseball America and MlB.com.

I agree with you on the Salary Dump, but we were lucky to get back a good prospect...he may succeed, he may fail...but he's much better than what we got for all the relief trades we made in July.

It's both....be happy...you're right and wrong...but that's a good thing in this case

I'd prefer to watch a competitive team in St Louis as opposed to hearing about a minor league pitcher maybe developing in the minors. But that's just me, I like to watch a competitive Cards team only.

So you havent watched them the past three years then

Yep, they won 78 games last year. With a decent top tier pitcher and kicking Pallante to the bullpen and replacing Mikolas with a something better, they would have contended for a playoff spot and possibly done something. But instead, they stuck with guys that drug the team down. Hell, even before that they went out and got Lynn and Gibson and barely missed the playoffs. Now you're going to see a really futile effort for the Cards unless they change course and sign some major talent.

And do you know why they were stuck with them in the rotation? Because their pitching depth sucked and didn’t have anyone to replace them. With all the pitchers bloom is bringing in and is still going to sign another veteran starter if a starter is sucking they will have plenty of depth to replace them instead of having to run the same imploding pitchers out game after game

Depth? They had depth with Mikolas and Pallante in the rotation. How'd that go? It's not quantity that they should worry about, it's quality. Gray had blemishes no doubt but he was their best pitcher. Now they have to depend on minor league pitchers. Get ready for a lot of being down by 5 runs in the third bull$$$. They've made it clear they aren't going to sign any top tier talent. Get ready for the real losing, when the team is out 15-20 games by the trade deadline. Next up on the trade block then? Probably Winn. I mean who else will they have that's making money?

What are you talking about? They had no depth last season that’s why they were stuck with pallante and mikolas and fedde instead of being able to replace them. And we saw the 5 runs down show last season with your precious overpaid veterans and the ace when it got got hot sucked and sucked on the road also

Pallante is not a "High priced" player. He should be a reliever though, not a starter. I was against the Fedde trade and would have loved for them to jettison Mikolas. Both of those are not quality players as you suggest. Gray did okay. Not great but better than average. As for depth, I suppose you mean "quality depth"? Because there's a minor league system in place and that's where the depth resides. You can trade for or develop depth but you will never keep "quality depth" in the minors for long. You need quality pitching in the majors and they won't pay for that.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:39 pm Keith law said fajardo if he were his age with his stuff and was eligible for the draft this season would be a first round draft pick

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 10:23 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 10:14 am

ramfandan wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 09:02 am Dobbins getting most of the attention

The youngest pitcher included in the Conteras trade, the 19-year-old Fajardo made his stateside debut this year after spending the 2024 MiLB season in the Dominican Summer League. Already ranked in Cardinals Top 10 list.
MLB Pipeline has Fajardo ranked 9th in the Cardinals system.


Fajardo logged 20 2/3 innings in the Florida Complex League, where he had a 0.44 ERA and 24 strikeouts, before joining Class Low-A Salem near the middle of June. Following his promotion, Fajardo sported a 2.98 ERA in 13 starts. He struck out 59 batters in 51 1/3 innings, walked 20 and held hitters to a .611 on-base plus slugging percentage.

Fajardo, who had a 27.8% strikeout rate in Class Low-A, flashed a fastball that hovered around 94 mph and peaked at 96 mph this past season. The average fastball velocity represented an increase from 2024, per Baseball America. Fajardo’ slider, changeup and overall control all received 55 grades on Baseball America’s scale of 80. Scouts believe there is room for the 19-year-old to add muscle to his 6-foot-3 frame.

Originally signed as an international free agent by the White Sox in 2024, Fajardo was acquired by the Red Sox last December in a deal for lefty Cam Booser.

+1

Plenty of room at age 19 to grow both on and off the mound.

This kid could end up being the "gem" of this deal!

Agree and its guys like him and gray that you hope for in trades for gray and Contreras no one is going to give up their top prospects in those trades so go for low level raw players that have a ton of upside talent that you trust your new development system to bring along. Bloom is doing a good job so far. He and Clarke are already top 10 in cards system

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:54 pm

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:45 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 12:38 pmDid you talk to all the Boston fans? I didn't think so. Prospects have one thing in common, most of them wind up being mediocre or failing. Let me ask you this. Would you rather have a proven hitter that hits 20 homeruns and is feared at the plate or a minor league pitcher that hasn't cracked the big leagues yet and doesn't miss bats? Go ahead, you can answer truthfully.

Hold on. I love Willson Contreras, but you're telling me he was "feared at the plate"? Since when? One of the biggest criticisms I read here for years was that the Cardinals never had any one bat that other teams feared.

Well, he was the most feared bat in the Cards lineup. Don't you think he was? Name me a Card that was feared more.