Jo Jo Romero

[82birds]

I also like Jojo better as a deal sweetener than a deal unto his own.

Outside of the Dodgers paying closer money to closer pitchers to pitch the sixth inning...who doesn't need a lefty reliever who has pretty good late-inning experience and even a smatter of closing experience? I don't think that brings back anything too noteworthy in a trade. But if it's the difference between getting a team's 7th best prospect and their 3rd or 4th best? I like that better than getting...say...a 20th best prospect.

well said SJ

[renostl]

I also like Jojo better as a deal sweetener than a deal unto his own.

Outside of the Dodgers paying closer money to closer pitchers to pitch the sixth inning...who doesn't need a lefty reliever who has pretty good late-inning experience and even a smatter of closing experience? I don't think that brings back anything too noteworthy in a trade. But if it's the difference between getting a team's 7th best prospect and their 3rd or 4th best? I like that better than getting...say...a 20th best prospect.

There are a tremendous amount of options with both players.
I've always thought that you would have to add to Donovan to get that higher level
player, That may be true, but is does not mean that adding will get a player a team
isn't willing to move. Take an often talked of Seattle trade.
Donovan may be a player that if he's the major piece, Emerson and Anderson are never
on the table. Maybe that's JJ or somebody territory.

Adding in that case just increases the quantity. Which might not be better than dealing
separately.

[stlbirdlover]

Why don't they just trade the whole team with the PieRats because that's what they're going to be! Unfortunately the Rats won't give us Skenes! I'm so sick of hearing about prospects when the team finished last in 2023 and were sellers how well did those guys pan out? How many posters are putting their confidence in these guys in the minor leagues like Weatherholt. He did well in the minors but he hasn't played at all in the majors he might not be able to hit major league pitching. Like Scott,Walker, Church and Crooks! I've followed this team since 1981 and I'm fed up with this management and ownership. My long term plans are to say screw you DimWitt and effing Marmol! See how many idiots come to Busch this year to watch this garbage.

[lordoffatness]

He's 29 won't be 30 until Sept. He's only eligible for arbitration this year and he made 2.7 million last season. I don't understand why they want to trade him. He pitched well last year so why not sign him to a 2 or 3 year contract?

They think they can get pieces to rebuild with for him. The cardinals are rebuilding the fastest way to speed up the process is to trade guys like Donovan and Jo Jo for prospects. If they keep him will they be a little better next season? probably but they still wouldn't win anything and a reliver isn't the type of player the cardinals need to be investing long term in.

Trade a pittance for a scratch off ticket.

CT seems to be enamored with this...super confidence in Bloom.

Thought the team resided in the show me state

I don't have super confidence in Bloom, but I certainly have more confidence than the tail end of Mo's regime. That being said, baseball prospects have a huge rate of attrition and most of them will probably fail. Hopefully the revamped development system can eventually get a handful of them to be starters/all stars.

Best case scenario, hopefully one of these lottery tickets will turn into this....
HOUSTON, TX - The Houston Astros have acquired Cuban minor league infielder/outfielder Yordan Alvarez from the Los Angeles Dodgers in exchange for right-handed pitcher Josh Fields. The announcement was made by Astros General Manager Jeff Luhnow.
Alvarez, 19, was signed earlier this year by the Dodgers as an international free agent on June 15, 2016, out of Las Tunas, Cuba. The 6-foot-4, left-handed hitting first baseman/outfielder last played for Las Tunas in Cuba's Serie Nacional in 2014, hitting .351 (39x111) with 17 RBI in 40 games as a 17-year-old. He has two years of professional experience in Cuba (2013-14).
"Alvarez is a player with exciting offensive upside," said Astros Director of Pro Scouting Kevin Goldstein. "He has excellent power for a teenager, as well as a feel to hit. He has also demonstrated great athleticism for a player of his size."
Fields, 30, has spent most of his season at Triple A Fresno, where he's posted a 1-0 record with one save and a 1.65 ERA (5ER/27.1IP) in 23 games. He made 15 appearances for the Astros this season before being optioned to Triple A on May 12.
With the removal of Fields, the Astros now have 38 players on their 40-man roster.

-ASTROS-

[WaltsSuccessor]

In a re-build birdlover you deal off most of your tradeable assets that you don't see fitting into you LT plans.

Right now JoJo is at the peak of his trade value coming off a strong season and w/years of control, in a couple years when the Cardinals (hopefully) are ready to compete he'll be in his low 30's and making decent money.

RP are a volatile breed to begin with, JoJo could also easily slip in 2026 and lower his future trade value.

You don't give him away but you also don't hold on to him if the right deal materializes.

This is exactly right. We aren't planning on being competitive right now and he'll be a free agent in 2027. You need to get as much for him as you can at this point.

And yes, I don't think it is a good idea to extend relievers to big contracts. You can usually find relievers anywhere. And, yes, if he gets hurt, or melts down in 2026, then you have nothing to show for him. And if you extend him, there's a good chance he sucks for the next few years. Relievers are pretty volatile as it is and JoJo already saw his walk rate shoot back up to where he was when the Phillies traded for him, so he might already be trending down.

Thx ronnie

To me dealing JoJo is a no-brainer.

I'd even package him w/Donovan, which could be the best use of JoJo, if it meant a great return!

This is the best way to move Romero. In any larger trade, if we have moved the other team a little past their puke point and we really like the return, adding Romero could move the needle. (Chalk up a save for Romero)

For sure TB

Donny + JoJo = Best possible return!

As I have correctly advised before, now is the time for Bloom to think big. Add Mathew, or Bernal, or Hence, or Walker, or Mootbaar, or Pallante to the Donovan and Romero to tandem in whatever combinations work to produce not just one, but potentially two blockbuster deals to transform the organization in a blink.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

I think I've been doing the same for a while to mel:

by rockondlouie
If you're shooting for moon as I have when going after B. Woo (Donny + JoJo + Mathews or Hence), then yes!

Seattle doesn’t seem inclined to deal from their current rotation. And if they decide to, Woo is easily their least available starter…

It’d probably be Castillo (expensive). Maaybe Gilbert (2 years control). More likely Miller (not very good) than Gilbert. Probably not Kirby (3 years control). But absolutely no way it’s Woo (4 years control).

[Melville]

In a re-build birdlover you deal off most of your tradeable assets that you don't see fitting into you LT plans.

Right now JoJo is at the peak of his trade value coming off a strong season and w/years of control, in a couple years when the Cardinals (hopefully) are ready to compete he'll be in his low 30's and making decent money.

RP are a volatile breed to begin with, JoJo could also easily slip in 2026 and lower his future trade value.

You don't give him away but you also don't hold on to him if the right deal materializes.

This is exactly right. We aren't planning on being competitive right now and he'll be a free agent in 2027. You need to get as much for him as you can at this point.

And yes, I don't think it is a good idea to extend relievers to big contracts. You can usually find relievers anywhere. And, yes, if he gets hurt, or melts down in 2026, then you have nothing to show for him. And if you extend him, there's a good chance he sucks for the next few years. Relievers are pretty volatile as it is and JoJo already saw his walk rate shoot back up to where he was when the Phillies traded for him, so he might already be trending down.

Thx ronnie

To me dealing JoJo is a no-brainer.

I'd even package him w/Donovan, which could be the best use of JoJo, if it meant a great return!

This is the best way to move Romero. In any larger trade, if we have moved the other team a little past their puke point and we really like the return, adding Romero could move the needle. (Chalk up a save for Romero)

For sure TB

Donny + JoJo = Best possible return!

As I have correctly advised before, now is the time for Bloom to think big. Add Mathew, or Bernal, or Hence, or Walker, or Mootbaar, or Pallante to the Donovan and Romero to tandem in whatever combinations work to produce not just one, but potentially two blockbuster deals to transform the organization in a blink.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

I think I've been doing the same for a while to mel:

by rockondlouie
If you're shooting for moon as I have when going after B. Woo (Donny + JoJo + Mathews or Hence), then yes!

Let's hope Bloom is smart enough to think as big as we do!

[rockondlouie]

In a re-build birdlover you deal off most of your tradeable assets that you don't see fitting into you LT plans.

Right now JoJo is at the peak of his trade value coming off a strong season and w/years of control, in a couple years when the Cardinals (hopefully) are ready to compete he'll be in his low 30's and making decent money.

RP are a volatile breed to begin with, JoJo could also easily slip in 2026 and lower his future trade value.

You don't give him away but you also don't hold on to him if the right deal materializes.

This is exactly right. We aren't planning on being competitive right now and he'll be a free agent in 2027. You need to get as much for him as you can at this point.

And yes, I don't think it is a good idea to extend relievers to big contracts. You can usually find relievers anywhere. And, yes, if he gets hurt, or melts down in 2026, then you have nothing to show for him. And if you extend him, there's a good chance he sucks for the next few years. Relievers are pretty volatile as it is and JoJo already saw his walk rate shoot back up to where he was when the Phillies traded for him, so he might already be trending down.

Thx ronnie

To me dealing JoJo is a no-brainer.

I'd even package him w/Donovan, which could be the best use of JoJo, if it meant a great return!

This is the best way to move Romero. In any larger trade, if we have moved the other team a little past their puke point and we really like the return, adding Romero could move the needle. (Chalk up a save for Romero)

For sure TB

Donny + JoJo = Best possible return!

As I have correctly advised before, now is the time for Bloom to think big. Add Mathew, or Bernal, or Hence, or Walker, or Mootbaar, or Pallante to the Donovan and Romero to tandem in whatever combinations work to produce not just one, but potentially two blockbuster deals to transform the organization in a blink.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

I think I've been doing the same for a while to mel:

by rockondlouie
If you're shooting for moon as I have when going after B. Woo (Donny + JoJo + Mathews or Hence), then yes!

Seattle doesn’t seem inclined to deal from their current rotation. And if they decide to, Woo is easily their least available starter…

It’d probably be Castillo (expensive). Maaybe Gilbert (2 years control). More likely Miller (not very good) than Gilbert. Probably not Kirby (3 years control). But absolutely no way it’s Woo (4 years control).

You're right walt, I was just having some fun and "shooting for the moon".

But they seem to be coming around that they'll have to deal from their Top 3 prospects if they want Donny!

[rockondlouie]

In a re-build birdlover you deal off most of your tradeable assets that you don't see fitting into you LT plans.

Right now JoJo is at the peak of his trade value coming off a strong season and w/years of control, in a couple years when the Cardinals (hopefully) are ready to compete he'll be in his low 30's and making decent money.

RP are a volatile breed to begin with, JoJo could also easily slip in 2026 and lower his future trade value.

You don't give him away but you also don't hold on to him if the right deal materializes.

This is exactly right. We aren't planning on being competitive right now and he'll be a free agent in 2027. You need to get as much for him as you can at this point.

And yes, I don't think it is a good idea to extend relievers to big contracts. You can usually find relievers anywhere. And, yes, if he gets hurt, or melts down in 2026, then you have nothing to show for him. And if you extend him, there's a good chance he sucks for the next few years. Relievers are pretty volatile as it is and JoJo already saw his walk rate shoot back up to where he was when the Phillies traded for him, so he might already be trending down.

Thx ronnie

To me dealing JoJo is a no-brainer.

I'd even package him w/Donovan, which could be the best use of JoJo, if it meant a great return!

This is the best way to move Romero. In any larger trade, if we have moved the other team a little past their puke point and we really like the return, adding Romero could move the needle. (Chalk up a save for Romero)

For sure TB

Donny + JoJo = Best possible return!

As I have correctly advised before, now is the time for Bloom to think big. Add Mathew, or Bernal, or Hence, or Walker, or Mootbaar, or Pallante to the Donovan and Romero to tandem in whatever combinations work to produce not just one, but potentially two blockbuster deals to transform the organization in a blink.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

I think I've been doing the same for a while to mel:

by rockondlouie
If you're shooting for moon as I have when going after B. Woo (Donny + JoJo + Mathews or Hence), then yes!

Let's hope Bloom is smart enough to think as big as we do!

I have little doubt he is mel, this isn't Mo anymore.