MLB Live talking about Donnie to Mariners

[Talkin' Baseball]

Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.

You may be the dumbest poster I have seen here and that is REALLY saying something.

Mo overvalued our talent for the last ten years. Some folks around here have caught the Mo bug. They are now doing it to.

It comes down to how many teams are pursuing Donovan. I saw it's half the MLB teams.

I've heard those things too, and I can see how Donovan could benefit any contender. I'm not unhappy that a trade hasn't been made yet. I do however find it concerning when the Giants are described as frontrunners. There are a dozen (or more) contending teams in a position to offer better players in return than the Giants. It doesn't bode well that those teams aren't being mentioned as being in close, or advanced talks with the Cardinals.

[NYCardsFan]

Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.

You may be the dumbest poster I have seen here and that is REALLY saying something.

Mo overvalued our talent for the last ten years. Some folks around here have caught the Mo bug. They are now doing it to.

It comes down to how many teams are pursuing Donovan. I saw it's half the MLB teams.

No matter how many teams are allegedly “pursuing,” they all have a view on value, and Donovan is a quintessential 3 WAR player—last year, the year before, and projected to be in 2026. More teams being interested increases the odds that the Cardinals will get closer to the higher end of his valuation range, but it doesn’t mean they’re going to get 2-3x his value.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.

You may be the dumbest poster I have seen here and that is REALLY saying something.

Mo overvalued our talent for the last ten years. Some folks around here have caught the Mo bug. They are now doing it to.

It comes down to how many teams are pursuing Donovan. I saw it's half the MLB teams.

No matter how many teams are allegedly “pursuing,” they all have a view on value, and Donovan is a quintessential 3 WAR player—last year, the year before, and projected to be in 2026. More teams being interested increases the odds that the Cardinals will get closer to the higher end of his valuation range, but it doesn’t mean they’re going to get 2-3x his value.

Right. There's no way they get 2-3x his value. They might however get 10-20% over his value.

[NYCardsFan]

Accidental post. Deleted.

[Melville]

Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.

Donovan is a good player but you are not getting BOTH
a high level pitcher AND position player in a trade for him.

He is a good - not great player.
You are right about that.
But if STL cannot obtain at least 2 quality players in return, there is zero logic in trading him at all.
Stupid to trade one good player for just one prospect who may or may not ever become one himself.

If the Cardinals are not extending him, then he has to get traded for the best return possible, including if it’s only one top prospect.

Incorrect.
Why trade 2 years of Donvan for just one prospect who may provide zero quality MLB seasons in return?
That achieves nothing.
The CORRCET BASEBALL DECISION is to extend Donovan - but if the player rejects the extension or Bloom is simply incorrectly dead set on dealing him now, the return MUST include one young player who has already shown some level at success at the MLB level and a 2nd prospect piece.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

I agree. Bloom should not surrender the next two years of a player who plays multiple positions well and gives 100% effort every game. Donovan makes a very low salary now, and should be offered a solid extension for 2/3 years. If he does not accept it, trade him but only if the return is exceptional. Apparently there are many teams interested, so there is no reason to not take advantage of the situation.

Exactly.
If so many teams are indeed interested in Donovan that should tell Bloom something.
Perhaps the best return Bloom can get from him is right in STL.
Bloom should be seriously pursuing that before being too eager to ship Donovan elsewhere.

[Shady]

Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.

You may be the dumbest poster I have seen here and that is REALLY saying something.

Mo overvalued our talent for the last ten years. Some folks around here have caught the Mo bug. They are now doing it to.

It comes down to how many teams are pursuing Donovan. I saw it's half the MLB teams.

I've heard those things too, and I can see how Donovan could benefit any contender. I'm not unhappy that a trade hasn't been made yet. I do however find it concerning when the Giants are described as frontrunners. There are a dozen (or more) contending teams in a position to offer better players in return than the Giants. It doesn't bode well that those teams aren't being mentioned as being in close, or advanced talks with the Cardinals.

That is exactly why Bloom doesn't have to trade Donovan.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.

You may be the dumbest poster I have seen here and that is REALLY saying something.

Mo overvalued our talent for the last ten years. Some folks around here have caught the Mo bug. They are now doing it to.

It comes down to how many teams are pursuing Donovan. I saw it's half the MLB teams.

I've heard those things too, and I can see how Donovan could benefit any contender. I'm not unhappy that a trade hasn't been made yet. I do however find it concerning when the Giants are described as frontrunners. There are a dozen (or more) contending teams in a position to offer better players in return than the Giants. It doesn't bode well that those teams aren't being mentioned as being in close, or advanced talks with the Cardinals.

That is exactly why Bloom doesn't have to trade Donovan.

He is privy to the conversations with all of the teams- I am not. He may be much less concerned about it than I am. We will all know soon.

[Shady]

Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.

You may be the dumbest poster I have seen here and that is REALLY saying something.

Mo overvalued our talent for the last ten years. Some folks around here have caught the Mo bug. They are now doing it to.

It comes down to how many teams are pursuing Donovan. I saw it's half the MLB teams.

I've heard those things too, and I can see how Donovan could benefit any contender. I'm not unhappy that a trade hasn't been made yet. I do however find it concerning when the Giants are described as frontrunners. There are a dozen (or more) contending teams in a position to offer better players in return than the Giants. It doesn't bode well that those teams aren't being mentioned as being in close, or advanced talks with the Cardinals.

That is exactly why Bloom doesn't have to trade Donovan.

He is privy to the conversations with all of the teams- I am not. He may be much less concerned about it than I am. We will all know soon.

If it's not an enormous return. Keep Donovan. And do the best you can trying to trade some others to get something that helps the organization. Bloom should be able to get something decent for Contreras, Romero, Nootbaar and a catcher.

[NYCardsFan]

Got to look to get one high level pitcher and one high level position player in a deal for Donovan. Donovan is a versatile, All Star caliber player. The Cardinals need to obtain at least one MLB ready and one on the verge. Fill the two main needs.

You may be the dumbest poster I have seen here and that is REALLY saying something.

Mo overvalued our talent for the last ten years. Some folks around here have caught the Mo bug. They are now doing it to.

It comes down to how many teams are pursuing Donovan. I saw it's half the MLB teams.

No matter how many teams are allegedly “pursuing,” they all have a view on value, and Donovan is a quintessential 3 WAR player—last year, the year before, and projected to be in 2026. More teams being interested increases the odds that the Cardinals will get closer to the higher end of his valuation range, but it doesn’t mean they’re going to get 2-3x his value.

Right. There's no way they get 2-3x his value. They might however get 10-20% over his value.

I think of it as a valuation range—with large (small) markets and/or more (less) aggressive assumptions/projections defining the high (low) end of the range. The more teams in the auction, the higher the probability of the “winner’s curse,” with some team(s) pushing their assumptions a little harder to justify (rationalize?) a higher bid.

[ScotchMIrish]

If the rumor is true that they were offering their #3 and #7 prospect for our best player that would be big no for me unless we get a legit MLB player who can fill a hole in addition the #3 and #7.

[Talkin' Baseball]

If the rumor is true that they were offering their #3 and #7 prospect for our best player that would be big no for me unless we get a legit MLB player who can fill a hole in addition the #3 and #7.

That's not happening from any team.

[TraveledLessRoad]

In talking with the Mariners and Giants is it a wholly absurd idea that maybe they're not trading Donnie for prospects and are maybe looking at an established player on those teams with years of control? Maybe Bryce Miller or Landen Roupp?

[Melville]

In talking with the Mariners and Giants is it a wholly absurd idea that maybe they're not trading Donnie for prospects and are maybe looking at an established player on those teams with years of control? Maybe Bryce Miller or Landen Roupp?

Exactly.
Example.
Seattle.
Miller from MLB roster +1 more from the minor league prospect ranks.

[ScotchMIrish]

If the rumor is true that they were offering their #3 and #7 prospect for our best player that would be big no for me unless we get a legit MLB player who can fill a hole in addition the #3 and #7.

That's not happening from any team.

Those rankings are notoriously unreliable.

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/2022/cardinals/

Prior to 2022 - Donovan's rookie season - MLB.com had him ranked as #12 in the Cardinals system.

[BleedingBleu]

In talking with the Mariners and Giants is it a wholly absurd idea that maybe they're not trading Donnie for prospects and are maybe looking at an established player on those teams with years of control? Maybe Bryce Miller or Landen Roupp?

If I had to plant a stake, I’d probably choose Roupp over Miller. I know Landen had that comebacker, and assuming all things show good, his consistency across all levels is a real draw.

Miller on the other hand is Jeckyll/Hyde. If he’s locked in, he’s great for the season and even post season. If he’s not.. well, the confidence appears to be shot for the season.

[Melville]

If the rumor is true that they were offering their #3 and #7 prospect for our best player that would be big no for me unless we get a legit MLB player who can fill a hole in addition the #3 and #7.

That's not happening from any team.

Those rankings are notoriously unreliable.

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/2022/cardinals/

Prior to 2022 - Donovan's rookie season - MLB.com had him ranked as #12 in the Cardinals system.

And during ST of that spring, I alone correctly predicted Donovan would be the first of the STL prospects on the rise at the time to reach MLB and would prove to be the best of the bunch.
Which is exactly what happened.
Rankings are unreliable as you correctly point out - but I am not.